Cameras
Submitted by Matt T on Sun, 2009-10-25 14:00
G'day all, can you camera guru's give me your opionions on these camera's as I'm thinking of getting a new one atm. Looking at the Canon EOS 1000D with 18-55mm & 75-300mm lenses, Nikon D3000 DSLR with 18-55mm Lense or the Olympus E-450 DSLR with the 14-42mm & 40-150mm lenses. All about the same price - don't want to spend more than $1,000 - $1,200 max.
Really got very little idea about camera's so help would be great - it will be for your everyday family shots ect. Gotta be pretty easy to use though'. Will just be for still shots as i already have a video camera. Cheers fellas
Cammos
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I saw the 1000D at Harvey
I saw the 1000D at Harvey Norman for $949 with the 2 lenses. Very tempting.
I couldn't tell you a thing about them though.
HuggyB
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the way I see it
is if you think this may escalate as a hobby and you'll be upgrading, then go for a nikon or canon as the glass (lenses) you get can carry over to more professional models.
If you are going to buy it and leave it at that so to speak, then really go for the one that fits your budget and fits your hand.
The Terrorist - coming to a fishing spot near you.........
Matt T
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Yeah
That's one of the ones I saw Cammos - looks good hey. But the problem is I wouldn't know a shit one from a good one! I don't even know what the lenses do? Close ups I guess?
Tony Halliday
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I'm with HuggyB on this
I'm with HuggyB on this one,
Canon and Nikon tend to come with better lenses if they OEM lenses.
Just be careful when they sell you a body and a pair of cheap after-market lenses. You better off taking the Nikon is it's Nikon lens with it.
Lens focus all your light from outside onto the pixel cells ( photocells)
bit like buy a flash rod and reel and then putting cr@ppy mono on it and wonder wh you loose fish...lol
An average rod and reel with quality line and hooks, will out perform a top rod & reel, with poor terminal tackle.,
Same goes for camera's. The better the lens kit, the better the image quality before it is captured by the electronics of the camera.
Just my view on it.
Tony
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just dhu it
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Cannon EOS 1000
Matt , i bought my wife the 1000d recently from camera house $ 890.00, Harvey Norman and JB hi fi had slightly after shopping around for better prices, the camera came with the cannon 18mm to 55mm lense , we then bought a 18mm to 200mm lense which is great for a bigger range without changing lenses, so the standard 18 to 55mm lense is now redundant, i would shop around and try buying the body just with the 18 / 200 mm lense and insist on getting image stabiliser lense model .
Kelvin8r
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hey mate i have the 1000d,
hey mate i have the 1000d, its very easy to use and an excellent camera for an entry level dslr, and takes very nice shots, you'll be impressed. like the boys said, if you get into it, you can upgrade the lens to a quailty one, and it will fit on the 1000d, then if you need more speed, mp, fps and stuff like that from your camera, you can upgrade that later on if required, and the lens will also fit onto your new camera.
sarcasm0
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agree with other posts but
We have a Fuji Finepix s9500, my bro was given it, and his missus has a slr so they passed it onto us. Its as close as you could get at the time to a slr without spending another $1000 bucks. Takes shit hot photos love it for simplicity. I am not a photographer at all, but I use the settings from auto to use on my attempts to take manual shots.
Its all about carefactor. Most SLR's I see never get turned off auto. How keen are you?
kaney68
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Rather than get opinions
Hi Matt,
Rather than get opinions on what is the "best" camera, you are much better off reading some reviews and coming to your own conclusions.
Sure, no harm in asking what others are using, BUT only you can decide whats right for YOU !
Have you got close friends with DSLRS ? What are they using ?
Might help/pay to look at similar makes - that way you can lens/accessory share if needed !
Once you have pretty much nutted out "what" you want, head into a store and test each model.
A Canon has a completely different feel to a Nikon, which is different to Pentax or Sony.
There is really no point just deciding to go with Canon or Nikon because a couple of people tell you one or the other is better.
Each model/brand will have their own little quirks, some will have a few extra bells and whistles over the other.
Across the price range you are chasing, most models are pretty similar in quality and features - It just comes down to what make/model is right for YOU !
Here's a couple of links for the Canon 1000 and 450 from dpreview.. sorry - no in depth review for the Nikon D3000
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1000d/page34.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos450d/page34.asp
Be careful when shopping around as prices will vary based on the lens options.
So make sure you compare apples with apples !
Let me know via PM if I can help getting a better price for you..
cheers,
Paul
bear
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Alsoworth checking out
Also worth checking out http://www.praimaging.com.au/l14-canon-digital.html. Good guys who know their stuff. Also allow for UV filters to protect your lenses and at least 1 polarising filter for your better lense. For fishing pics the polarising are worth the $$$.
Tony Halliday
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one thing I forgot to
one thing I forgot to mention is the quality and speed of your data card effects how fast your camera can save to it when shooting high fps.
Top quality SDHC (SD data) cards are almost triple the price of the cheap " no name brand ones", but are hugely faster at writing large frame rate data files to them and have a significant lower error count as well.
What I did was get an "average-good quality" 4 GB card for day to day use and I have two samller very high quality, fast write-rate 1 GB cards for my special work. I tend to use Lexar 4GB SDHC card for day to day use.
My quality ones are from Lexar as well, but Scandisk 1 to 4GB Ultra II cards are not bad either:
http://digitalbestbuys.com.au/SanDisk-4GB-Ultra-II-SDHC-Memory-Card-100X-p-1292.html
if you can justify the price, Kingston also are good.
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
kaney68
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cards
As Tony said, the quality and write speed of cards will effect the performance of your camera.
I have used Sandisk since day 1 (approx 10-11 years now) without any issues at all.
My bodies have dual card slots which accept both CF and SD.
There is a significant difference between the write speed of a 4GB CF Sandisk Extreme III compared to a 4GB SD Sandisk Ultra II
Both do the job, but at times the extra couple of seconds seems like an eternity !
Hmmmmm... how times have changed... wasn't that long ago you could only shoot 36 exposures (now I can do that in under 4 seconds) then had to pull and replace the film... how long did that take !!
For the average user the Ultra II's would be more than sufficient and very well priced at around the $20 - $30 mark for a 4GB card.
Trusting a cheap card, other than brands like Sandisk or Lexar, IMO is a very big gamble !!
cheers,
Paul
Tony Halliday
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so true Paul, I am in the
so true Paul,
I am in the habit of even changing cards in the shoot. I often use five or six cards when shooting at night, only about 30 frames on each, but if one card fails to write, the whole nights picture shoot is not lost.
My mate was at the MotoGP at Philip Island last year, came home to find his 2GB card had errors all over it and he lost 90% of his pics... very sad boy.
Also keep your cards cool and dry in a slica gel protected pouch, one thats anti-static as well.
As for batteries, I went with a camera that took rechargeable AA, after my Nikon caught me out before running both batteries flat while away on a shoot. Think about it, as spare batteries can cost a fortune.
DPReview on their website give good indicators of "real world" battery times and not what the factory claims.
On my Pentax, with quality rechargeable AA's x4, I can shoot about 500~600 frames with ease. My mates Canon does about 120 at high speed and all the fruit switched on.
Nothing like sitting there and watching great shots go by and have a flat-battery in your camera!!!
Just my view,
Tony
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
kaney68
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Battery issue
"My mates Canon does about 120 at high speed and all the fruit switched on."
I think your mate must have a battery issue !
Or the batteries are gettig drained due to long exposures ?
To only be getting 120 frames out of a battery, there is something seriously wrong.
Out of curiosity what model is he using ?
To give you an idea, on a "new" battery I used to be able to get over a day's life shooting the cricket before needing to be recharged.
That would equate easily to around 1200-1550 frames per day, plus factor in camera editing (ie: deleting the crap, viewing images to correct exposures, etc)
My batteries fell away from their prime towards the end of last year (after around 4-5 years)... That's not bad considering the hammering they get..
I bought 2 "replica" batteries off ebay, from memory at around $70 for 2... worked just like the original Canon's (which cost around $300 each)
But that was short lived as now after about 10 months they tire fairly quickly.
Matt T
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Tell me about it Tony
That's what has spurred us to get a new one - we had just a simple Sony Cybershot and took it to my daughter first school sports day - only to have the bloody batteries run out when the running races started! Gutted! Lucky I had some friends get some pics anyway. The camera then promptly shat itself and wouldn't turn back on. Hence the search for a new camera.... Thanks for all the advice guys - keep it coming!
kaney68
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Try different sets of batteries
Hi Matt,
Rather than discard the P&S, if it's imply not firing up a new set of batteries try a fresh set of Lithium's !
I had the same issue with my wife's and son's P&S cameras... 1 being a Canon the other a Sony.
The camera stopped working (battery indicator flashing), changed batteries, would not restart !!!
Tried another set, same problem.. repeated this anumber of times !!!!!
Thought I was going stir crazy and started believing the camera(s) were stuffed.
I had some spare Lithium's lying around, dropped them in and BINGO... all was good !
cheers,
Paul