Can pro fishermen take Tailor in nets
Where I like to fish their have been some tight schools of good sized Tailor. Some Pro fisherman came along a while ago and threw a net around a whole school of fish
and dragged them in I was devestated thinking that it was a big school of Tailor !!!! But thank god!!!! LOL ing They were Buff bream which they released unharmed.
Would they have just let Tailor go too
Are they allowed to take and sell Tailor commercially.
Should they be able to do so.
Is it even financially worth doing so.
My thinking is that commercially they are of such low value that they are worthless to sell. Yet recreationally they are one of our highly valuable species.
If anyone knows the answers I would love to know.....
What are your opinions on them taking Tailor.
Sam_Wood
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I have seen tailor and
I have seen tailor and herring in fish shops so unfortunatly I think they can net and sell them which is a shame
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Bryce Day
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Depends what criteria is on
Depends what criteria is on the LFB license or what restrictions they have!
Dale
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I remember one year back in the early 90's where the pro's netted a big school of blue sardines down near Forrest Beach and as they brought them in you could see other fish trying to get an easy feed over the back of the net. The pro's then run another net around the outside of the first net and netted near on a tonne of tailor and mulloway. The mulloway were pretty scarce for probably 3 years after that.
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Rob H
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Without you saying where, its
Without you saying where, its not possible to say.
However, while some fish are "low value", they may well be used for cat food, fish meal for aquaculture, cray bait etc, like it or not.
Tailor generally are caught commercially in Shark Bay area I think and by net I imagine along with whiting etc.
Id have to say as a general comment, that lower value eating fish also need to be caught as not everyone can afford $75kg dhuie fillets if they arent catching it themselves, hence herring, tailor, sardines etc definitely have a place in a commercial fishing lineup.
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Jaggo
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$75 for Dhu is cheap, seen
$75 for Dhu is cheap, seen it around $90-$95 alot lately.
reece
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The pros in Mandurah estuary
The pros in Mandurah estuary can take Taylor and there's still a few pros that net white bait, blue bait, mullet ect between Busso and Bunbury but the fisheries took a lot of the licences off every one that has been doing it for generations down south. I don't think they can set net any more for herring and Taylor any more ( Dunsborough area) but there's a good market for Taylor! It may not pay as high as dhufish, baldy ect but a lot of people still make a living off it
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carnarvonite
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Tailor
Don't think they would have deliberately targeted a school of tailor as they usually make a mess of you net when they bite everything in sight once trapped
Pros beach seine from Preston beach right down to Dunsborough for whitebait, mullet, herring and salmon in season [and if they have a market]. Yeas ago we would finish pulling shark net, reset it then put on the beach net and cruise back to Bunbury just outside the breakers looking for schools to net, once spotted one of us would pile off the back of the boat with a haul rope and swim to shore dragging the end of the net to the beach while they boat did a half circle round the school and the other decky would jump in with the haul rope on the other end of the net and drag it to the beach as well. The skipper would drop anchor and swim in to help pull the net, once the fish were safely in the pocket we would attach one of the hauling lines to the top of the pocket and swim the loose end out to the boat. This was then used to pull the pocket and net to the boat where the fish were scooped out and the net restacked ready for another shot if needed. Was bloody hard work but wouldn't have swapped it for quids even early in the mornings when there was steam coming off the water and you knew it was going to freeze your goolies when you jumped in as now wetsuits those days.
All the fish were iced down and sent fresh to the markets in Perth
MattMiller
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Salmon
no salmon netting in Geo bay (draw a line from Cape Nat to Forrest) for a few season now John.
Quite a few licence buy backs/seasonal closures for pros (school holidays/long weekends)
and generational change especially in the last 10yrs in th SW.
carnarvonite
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Salmon
Yes , I knew about the salmon closures and was chatting to Shane and Smithy a week or so back. Its been 12-13 years since I fished down there and still miss it except for those lovely mornings when its freezing and your goolies are up near you throat when launching the dinghy at daylight to head out to the mooring or netting fish
kknlk
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It'll be nice if Fisheries
It'll be nice if Fisheries has the legislation to recognise some species such as tailor and salmon as recreational and prevent them from being netted commercially especially when to be used as bait. Pay off the rest of the salmon netters then we'll start to see the schools reaching Perth such as last season. It's a low value fish for them anyway.
lame
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salmon
every action has a reaction
you stop the salmon netters the herring disappear , cockburn sound has seen booms and busts since they stopped commercials there too . unfortunately its not as simple as cut the catch rate and the species thrive , if they thrive their food source declines , then they decline . it starts a very dangerous boom/bust cycle. it's a very fine balancing act
Auslobster
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Salmon and herring...
...have been co-existing in WA waters long before anybody came along with a net, line, spear or anything else trying to catch them, and all of a sudden you're saying a lack of salmon netters will hurt the herring stocks?
You're right in saying that it's a fine balance, but have you considered that prey can actually benefit from predators? The older, slower members of a particular animal group tend to pull the rest of the group down, competing with the younger, healthier and generally genetically superior individuals for food/mates/habitat/etc, while offering no real benefit to the greater good of the group...this is where predators come in, picking off the "dead weight" so to speak.
Humans fit into the food chain, just the same as any other creature on this planet...but instead of having large teeth, or claws, or wings, or the ability to run or swim fast, we have the ability to reason, and implement proper controls to not upset the balance. Whether we actually do it or not is debatable.
lame
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I'm saying
Exactly that , 2000T of salmon could change our human tac of say 80% to over 100% and be unsustainable but last I read fisheries don't even know what a sustainable tac for herring is .In short yes salmon do have a large impact on herring numbers
Not sure if your aware but all Australian herring migrate to cape naturalist for breeding which also coincides with the salmon run. So its not just resident herring it's the breeding stock for WA , SA ,Vic with the offspring being dispersed to the main place of residence via the leeuwin current .
Just some useless information for anyone interested
carnarvonite
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How?
Please tell me how it is possible to pick what species of fish you are about to net when all you see is a dark shadow in the water?
Its not possible to lob a bait or lure into a school that's tailing without spooking them and by the time you have your net around them its too late.
Try telling that to those who don't haul for fish on beaches but use nets set overnight, what are they supposed to do, swim along the net and scare every fish that you want saved so you can catch it away and bugger those who love a feed of fish but have no other way to get it unless purchased from a professional fisherman or at a fish shop
Comrad
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Also, its not low value given
Also, its not low value given the volume they can take. They only get about $2-4 a kilo for them, but, its not hard to get a tonne of product. Think about how difficult it would be to get $3000 worth of dhufish at $18 a kilo in comparison to running a net around a school of fish.
The value of fish is obviously driven in part by demand, but, its mostly set by the difficulty of supply.
beachsoul
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But Carnarvonite
Can they release unwanted species....The guys I saw had very small mesh....I think they probably get White bait...
.Gosh who remembers the big schools of White Bait from 35 plus years ago..
.What a sight....White bait as far as the eye could see being smashed by Tailor, Herring and everything else
carnarvonite
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Whitebait
Ah, whitebait, probably one of the tastiest fish you will get when pan fried in butter.
If he was using a whitebait net then there is no way he would have netted a school of tailor, even blind Freddy can see what a school of big fish is compared to what looks like a streak of dirty water that indicates whitebait.
Whitebait nets are very expensive compared to normal haul nets and there s no way he would have risked spending the next week trying to mend what was left of his net if it was tailor. Imagine yourself trying to patch a hole in the mesh bags that contain the onions you buy from a supermarket then think of at leats 70-80-metres of the same size mesh needing mending
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beachsoul
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But Carnarvonite
Can they release unwanted species....The guys I saw had very small mesh....I think they probably get White bait...
.Gosh who remembers the big schools of White Bait from 35 plus years ago..
.What a sight....White bait as far as the eye could see being smashed by Tailor, Herring and everything else
reece
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It's all good to throw out
It's all good to throw out how much a pro gets per kilo of fish or how many kilos/ tone he caught that day but the thing no one is realising is the cost behind catching that fish! Permits, licences fishing units,bait,ice,fuel,paying a decky or 2,pen fees,insurance,survey permits a lot of wetliners these days need to catch 100-150kg just to cover cost for that day
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Rob H
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so, where will we all get
so, where will we all get cray bait from, if not from "low value" fisheries?
Where do the pensioners buy cheaper fish from if not "low value" fisheries?
Are these people (crayfishers, pensioners etc) who are also co-owners of the resource, not allowed to pay someone else to catch these for them?
Or is the resource only for the "I want it ALL for myself" brigade?
Do we import all our craybait and increase the risk of disease/virus introduction?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
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