Cottesloe search continues for shark victim
Beach closed as police search for Cottesloe shark victim
Swimmers ventured into the water at Cottesloe beach this morning as police continued to search for the remains of a man believed to have been taken by a great white shark yesterday.
Bryn Martin, 64, went missing yesterday morning while swimming off Cottesloe Beach, and experts say damage to his recovered bathers are consistent with an attack by a 3m great white shark.
Cottesloe Beach will be closed until at least Wednesday while police search for Mr Martin's remains.
Senior Sergeant Denise Grant said her concern today was not for swimmers using the closed beach but in returning Mr Martin home to his family.
After making his brief statement to the media Mr Martin's son Alistair said the family had been overwhelmed by the rescue efforts to find his dad.
A keen swimmer, he competed in the Rottnest Channel Swim and set the record for the oldest male duo swimmer in 2002.
Police this morning confirmed that the search for Mr Martin is no longer a rescue effort but a recovery operation, although police divers decided that conditions were too dangerous to go into the murky water today, visibility being very low.
Cottesloe Beach will be closed until at least Wednesday while police search for Mr Martin's remains.
Sgt Grant said fisheries' experts believed tears to Mr Martin's black Speedo bathers, which were recovered yesterday, were consistent with damage caused by a 3m great white pointer.
Mr Martin was last seen by a friend swimming out past the pylon in front of the Indiana Tea Rooms at about 8am on Monday morning. He was a couple of hundred metres offshore when he disappeared. His wife raised the alarm at about 9.30am after he did not arrive for breakfast and the family conducted a search of the beach.
The Defence Force assisted with the search using ATV vehicles, while water police and local surf lifesavers scoured the ocean on boats and jet skis.
“He was swimming by himself at the time, however he was down at the beach with a friend," Sgt Grant said.
"His friend was entering the water, he saw him and about 10 minutes later he couldn’t see him anymore."
A Surf Life Saving WA helicopter was not monitoring Cottesloe Beach yesterday morning because it does not patrol during weekdays until mid-December.
Cottesloe Beach was closed in November last year after several sightings of a 2.5m shark that was attracted to baitfish in the area.
The shark was first spotted at 11am and again at 3.30pm on November 16. It came just a week after young tour guide Elyse Frankcom was bitten by a shark off Garden Island.
Edited from http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/man-missing-off-cottesloe-beach/story-e6frg12c-1226163060315
Mitch300491
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Beach closed as police search
Beach closed as police search for Cottesloe "shark victim"
police continued to search for the remains of a man "believed" to have been taken by a great white shark yesterday
Gotta love how the media bend the minds of everyone... Everyone will read the title and assume it was shark, yet miss the world "Believed" to have been taken.
So they have no idea how he went missing... yet somehow also guess it was a great white??
Either way, still a sad story. Cant see it ending well for him or his family.
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search effort
We had a vessel searching all day yesterday and I have just come back from the search after starting at 6.00am this morning. As you can imagine the mood on the rescue vessels was not good given that it was now a body recovery mission. We do this to try and get closure for the family. Not looking good at this stage given how good the conditions were.
Our thoughts are with the family.
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media hype
very disappointed to see the west.com.au drag out the old 'is it time to cull sharks off perth'.
It's already a sad situation, this crap is not necessary.
harro
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end of day
we need shark netts in popular swimming areas,, attacks are obviously on the rise,
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Mitch300491
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Ive got nothing against
Ive got nothing against that, unless fish or sharks get caught in them and die or get hurt.
Alan James
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That's a bit like saying
I've got nothing against aircraft as long as they don't fly.
Mitch300491
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You would like them to get
You would like them to get caught and die??? Thats pretty cold...
My comment has nothing to do with your response... I never said anything like i have nothing against sharks unless they swim!
Alan James
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You have missed the point
My comment was that you seem to have no problem with shark nets unless they kill or injure sharks or other species. Are you for real? Nets were not devised to be environmentally friendly.
harro
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what if!!
it was one of your loved ones, then would you approve of a shark nett,!!
i,m not saying kill all sharks,fish,dolphines etc etc,there must be a way like another posts states where the tuna fisheries keep sharks out of the netts , and i,m talking about popular beaches,
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shark nets
Premier Colin Barnett has defended the Government's management of sharks at Perth's suburban beaches, saying swimmers always took a risk when they entered the ocean.
Mr Barnett said he would only destroy a shark if it continued to pose a threat by remaining close to shore after it had attacked.
He said he was opposed to the erection of shark nets because it was possible smaller sharks could slip inside and be trapped by the nets, heightening the danger to beachgoers.
He expressed sympathy to the family and friends of 64-year-old Bryn Martin, who police believe may have been taken by a 3m great white shark off Cottesloe Beach yesterday.
Cottesloe Beach is in the Premier's electorate and Mr Martin was one of Mr Barnett's constituents, though Mr Barnett said he did not know him.
"That's part of the risk, I guess, of our way of life," Mr Barnett said. "People love to go to the beach, love to swim, and some people like to swim out into relatively deep waters.
"So there is always that risk, and very sadly a life appears to have been lost."
Mr Barnett said the Government had spent an extra $360,000 to increase helicopter patrols of Perth's beaches - but those patrols do not begin until November 1.
The Premier ruled out extending the patrol period.
This shark attack was a long way off the beach and I think it's wrong to assume (patrols) would have made any difference.
"There are sharks in our ocean and we're all aware of that."
Asked about the viability of shark nets, Mr Barnett said they had been considered from time to time but "the general view is they add to risk".
"If a smaller shark got on the inside of the net, that really does add to risk," he said.
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Bitten
I would prefer being bitten by a four foot shark on the inside side of a shark net to be mauled by a four metre one outside of the net, all depends which side of the fence you're on I suppose.
Howard George
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Not all nets are designed to kill fish.
Unfortunatly the Premier and The Fisheries dept. are doing the public a huge diservice by dismissing netting as a way of controlling sharks on Perth beachs as not all nets are designed to kill fish. In the Tuna industry in South Australia they use netting to keep the Tuna in and the sharks out and even here in WA we use keeper nets to stop the run of Salmon along the coast until the Pro's can get a net around them. You don't see fish and other marine animals getting caught in them.
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Have to agree with uncle Col
Have to agree with uncle Col on that one.
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I think if a shark attack
I think if a shark attack occurs and in many cases the shark hangs around it should be tagged and constantly monitored. That way at least they can track its movements and determine if its the same shark doing the damage, and then resort to a possible outcome or solution. IMO for some reason I think the shark would have been bigger then 3metres. I honestly think it could be the same shark that took Ken Crew sharks do have memories, and can follow the path in which they came to and from very well. a very sad situation indeed. thanks
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Mitch300491
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More people kill people...
More people kill people... does that mean we should all say kill the people!! How many sharks die from people compared to sharks killing people? if anything they should be the ones saying to kill us...
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So what's your point mate?
So what's your point mate? You seem to have a chip on shoulder with someone something??
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Mitch300491
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My point is, im sick of
My point is, im sick of hearing about people saying cull the shark! grab your torch and pitchforks! lol does anyone actually think? Theres so much ignorance. Not talking or having a go at anyone on here, its just reading comments on news websites and such. Thats all.
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Um I happen to agree with
Um I happen to agree with you. Why didn't just come out and say that at the start? Very sad for the fella and his family. But no point in hunting down and killing something that's just doing what it does naturally.
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Mitch300491
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Exactly, thanks for
Exactly, thanks for agreeing, if you kill one shark, that wont stop the other million that do it by nature, and they attack for a reason, unlike many brainless humans who kill animals/people. + if you cull all sharks you will screw up the balance in nature... and so on..
Alan James
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I vote for culling some brainless humans
If it wasn't against the law there would be a lot fewer people in this world. This is not directed at you Mitch.
Mitch300491
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I agree, unless you are
I agree, unless you are implying me, which i would be highly offended haha. However i dont think its my right to choose who lives or dies, even though i think the world would be a much better place without dumb people breeding with dumb people to raise more dumb people to continue the cycle... as harsh as that sounds..
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$360 000
in heli patrols!! what an absolute waste of coin. So pointless. If a hungry white is going to attack some thing, its never going to be seen.
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GW Tagging
I thought they were already tagging big sharks...I presume it's not s set up with some gps device that could track em 24/7...that be handy...easier said than done I suppose
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Oracle
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Cray season is close too
Will be wearing that shark sheild when diving just in case I think! And might even skip and safety stop or two if the waters not 20 meter visibilty..... shit they scare the crap out of me!
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Not sure which way to go
At the end of the day we are in the sharks waters, So all care should be taken
You wont see me swimming out deep, Or jumping over the side of a boat out deep to cooloff
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glastronomic
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How many people do die on our
How many people do die on our WA public roads every day?
Never mind the seriously wounding going on every day even here on the metro roads.
3 people in 83 years have been killed by sharks @ Cotts!
How many people have died on the roads in Cottesloe in the last 83 years?
West Coast
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Roads....that old arguement!!!
Sounds like you are suggesting it is perfectly safe to go swimming at Cot. Give you $100 if you swim out and back to the bouy 350m out from the Tea House. Me, I much prefer to take my chances on those killer roads!!
Stats are smats...3 people in 83 years. I don't think I would roll the dice at the moment. Shark deaths in WA by year 1925, 2000, 2004, 2005, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2011. Seems like a trend to me.
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Get your $100
Get your $100 ready!
swim/paddle most days in the ocean.
As a matter of fact just returned from a great paddle and cooling off swim (much more than 350mtrs)
What I tried to say is that all of a sudden we all go Nana's about a death of a person who was a fair way out and his time was up somehow.
Each and every one is tragic but the day to day dangers of public road use seems to be acepted.
To start hunting/ putting up nets/ flying choppers over the most of the time deserted beaches during workdays is an media driven hysterical reaction.
Just my oppinion
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I agree
I certainly agree that there is a lot of hysteria out there...but understandable I reckon. Pretty disturbing trend in attacks and sightings in my opinion. Did you see the footage of the GW 100m off the Dunsborough boat ramp. Have a look at the Perth Now website. Yikes!! How many kids have you seen swimming or being towed behind boats down there.
Seems to be heaps of sharks at the moment. I just got back from a shark diving trip out of Port Lincoln. We saw 7 different GW's all up. Apparently there were more registering on the beacons, but were staying out of sight.
If you're swimming 350m offshore metro/down south beaches at the moment you need your head read.
$100 ready!!....(probably prefer to give you $100 not to go if you were going to do it)!!
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Well aware of the sharks
Well aware of the sharks being out there, come across them while paddling a fair few times and they seem to like to hang arround when berlying from the boat.
Caught this one not so long ago on a normal snapper rig!
Iceman
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Disappointed with you all
Why is this blog being used as a battle ground over what we should do about the sharks. They live in the ocean , we live on land and choose to enter their domain. Nobody forces us.
More people are killed by drunk drivers each year than by sharks, but the government allows them to get an extraordinary licence to get back on the road.
stop bickering amongst yourselves and have some thought for the family who have lost a loved one. In 20 years of sea rescue I have had to deal with many deaths along the metro coast and deal with the family during and after the search so I have an understanding of what they are going through right now.
that is all I have to say on the matter.
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Daisy
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Hmm noticed you still had
Hmm noticed you still had your say though, thats what sites like these are about, generating conversation (and sometimes conservation :-D). very sad outcome my thoughts are with his family and friends.
The view expressed in this post is that of a self opinionated bullshitter and does not reflect that of this website, it's owners, mediators, other members or anyone else for that matter :-P
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If you don't don't like it
If you don't don't like it then don't read it.That's what this site is all about healthy debate and sharing info. We all have to deal with death somewhere in our lives so you are no Robinson Carusoe. You choose to do what you do voluntarily and I commend you for that but don't attack us all because we are expressing our views. As I said my condolences for the family but it's plainly bad luck on his part.
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Shorty
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I was in Bali last week
I was in Bali last week i recall coming back and reading something about Rotto swimmers beware a great white has just tripped one of the Satellite monitors, maybe it was that one?
pudzz
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For
for anyone that doesnt know..
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/sec/env/sharks/SharkMonitoring.php?0000
more tagging to be done, obviously fisheries have better things to worry about than peoples lives around perth,
seriously why isnt there a fisheries officer on this website..??
Probly cause he'd get blasted haha..
hopefully one of the best Land Based Shark season's just around the corner...
on a much more serious note,
R.I.P..... Bryn Martin
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With the surge in shark attacks
I am almost certain that there is a rogue out there. Learnt how easy prey man can be, got the taste for it and certainly easier than getting a seal. Most sharks avoid human contact. Just swim up to a blacktip etc up here and they are scared shitless and bolt off.
Great whites basically dont have enemies other than man and Killer whales. But humans arent their normal diet, and it mostly happens by accident when it is confused and think it is a seal etc that it attacks. Most deaths occur as a result of severe injuries and bleeding to death. Hardly ever has a body just disappeared. Now ATM this appears the case (I hope not) but that makes you think that now it wasnt an error on the part off the shark, but a attack meant to eat a human.
I now believe because of the pattern and increasing attacks that it is one rogue shark, and if so I dont have any problems with it being culled. How the authorites prove this IMO is their job. I dont believe in culling them all but if it is one no problems. I am biased because I was chased by a GW years ago on a windsurfer, and it is not a feeling I would want to ever go through again, so now I choose to have something between me and the water, be it land or the trusty boat. Up here with tigers and a stuck anchor I would jump over and retrieve it. Down Perth way, bugger that. Cut the rope and use the spares onboard.
I just hope that it is the case of a rogue. If not and the attacks increase there will be more and more call for culling a beautiful creature back to dangerously low numbers.
What I would like is to get a bunch of greenies and people from Pew to go out there, paddle around with their seakittens, and see what it feels like. Chuck Bob Brown in there as well, but he looks and probably would taste bad to anything.
Back to a more serious note. It is awfully sad for the family, but as his son said he knew the risks, and died doing what he loved. Much the same as the father who was taken crabbing off Rockingham. We dont ban parachuting when someone dies in that sport, nor motor racing if the same happens. We take our risks, and if the sad events unfold we have to live with the consequences.
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that just about
covers it I reckon, well said
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Well, if he means a rogue
Well, if he means a rogue shark, not a rouge one, I'll probably agree.
Got to think that one down south has a bit of a taste for it, rumour has it he came back for a couple goes and got more than a taste.
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Yip Jamie, I mean a Rogue
Yip Jamie, I mean a Rogue shark, and I wouldnt be surprised if the Bunker Bay, MR and Perth attacks as the same animal, as they can roam for miles.
If I was down there I would volie to tag them, but on a good boat. I mean Jaws even sank the Orca and that was a big boat!!!!
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Good link Pudz
Struth ...is that them tagging in the dinghy...better him than me...I wonder how much a shark tagger gets paid... you'd want top dollar for those 5m ones
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$360,000!!!
I havent been able to work out why they need to use a helicopter at up to $1000 an hour when they could use a cessna or even ultralight at 10-20% of the cost?
Also why only patrol Perth beaches? Are Perthites more precious than regional dwellers?
Its a sad situation-condolences to the Martin family.
As far as I can recall in all the recent shark deaths of surfers swimmers and divers, the family have come out and said that the person knew and accepted the risk. As I do myself, and yes I get a tingle sometimes before jumping in for a dive.
Who knows what the answer is, but one things for sure. If your shitting yourself that much about getting in then best just dont?
stilly
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assuming
a heli can hover on the target until water level help arrives, and dollar figures, does it really matter put a price on any of your family members, money well spent imo, sympathy for everyone involved
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And a light plane can easily
And a light plane can easily circle. Ask a pilot which is easier-to hover in one spot or to circle a point? And if money is no object why not 5 times the cover for same money?
Also my family doesnt live in perth and my kids surf and snorkel-why are they less important than perth kids? Having said that i believe its a waste of money. The only casual swimmer victim i can recall in wa was ken crew. All others have been surfers, ab divers, spearfishers and "offshore" swimmers. All people who know and assess the risks, as i do. As youve said, if it was my loved one..., well just as a parent of a young hoon victim says "lower the speed limit", and rellies of binge drink victims say "raise the drinking age". maybe id do the same but (fortunately) i have the benefit of being objective.
The element of danger is something that attracts many people to sports-if motor racing was 100% safe would craig lowndes participate or we watch? I reckon this seperates a casual swimmer from a surfer/diver etc in terms of risk assessment.
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If it is a rogue shark which
If it is a rogue shark which it does sound like, how the hell can we get the same one doing the attacks? So many GW's out there
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Has anyone considered the
Has anyone considered the impacts of cage diving on GW's? I imagine some would follow the scent trail chummed up by boats, swim miles to reach the expected carcass of whatever is producing the smell, and are confronted by humans in the water. Our electro-magnetic field would be completely different to what they are smelling and expecting, but hey, there we are, this is where the smell is coming from right...?
Would this be associating food with humans in GW eyes? Particularly to a cage regular shark, possibly creating a rogue example once it begins movement from the area?
Just an out-there, (relatively uneducated) thought I have had for a while now.