Cray Fisherman extended Season????
Submitted by roberta on Fri, 2011-12-02 18:37
Hi Fisherwreckers,
Just heard up here in Leeman the Professional Crayfisherman have had their Season extended for the next 14months, do any of you know of this, this came from one of the Sea Rescue guys that talks (in depth) to the professionals up here.
Apparently the whisper around town is they would't go out for 3 weeks (last years season) due to low beach price for crays, then towards the end of their season, they approached Fisheries and said that they haven't caught their quota need more time, so Fisheries have extended their season to 14 months.
If this is true, it sure makes my blood boil, we get 6 crays, 76mm and they get a extended season plus Saturday/Sunday back as well gggrrr
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Ginger Tablets Rock
smiley
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no different
to fishing 9 months roberta, they still have a quota catch limit to abide by, now they can manage their bussiness and fishing times to coincide with best beach prices, so in simple person terms a boat with a quota of 10 ton is aloud to catch the crays in a 14 mth period or he can choose to fulfill that limit in a month
Terry
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Quota
Dont forget Roberta that they are now on a catch quota system.
They can catch their quota in the first 2 months or stretch it out over the fishing period allocated to them.
Just because they have a longer fishing period doesent mean they can catch more crays. Does this make sense ? I hope so.
I do agree with your other comments regards the amateur catch....That would have to be one of the biggest cons attempted by the Fisheries dept on our lot.
Terry
ps just beat me Smiley.
groper down below
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the cray fisherman have had
the cray fisherman have had their catches reduced from up to 14000 tonnes a year to 5000 or less their guage size is set for the whole year at 77mm and remember that this is their lively hood that they pay top premiums to do so, crayfishing has never been a good investment for the amount of capital that has to be put up and has always been a lifestyle to provide for their familys. The amount of restrictions and extra cost that crayfisherman have had placed on them in the last 5 years is huge and even though the fisheries have asked the fisherman what they think i can assure you they ave never listened and have had to cop it sweet and abide to these new rules or simply get out of the industry !! I come from a fishing family but i am not fishing anymore but i still have some of my best friends with boats and the way they have had to structure their business has hurt them big !!! Luckily they could cope with these changes just .... i also know many smaller fisherman who have not had the funds to cope with such changes and have been forced out of the industry some of these people were 4th generation fisherman.
The fishing fleet on the WA coast has been at least halved and do you realise that there are at least 3x more amature pots in the water that professional pots !!!
it makes my blood boil when amatures think they are soooo hard done by when really all the laws and crayfishing restrictions that have been put in place to only affect professional fisherman and their business for the greater good of the cray fish so there will be crayfish for our children and our childrens children !!!
The Western Rock lobster fishery is one of the most tighest controlled fisheries in the world and a lot of people that are heavily involved in the industry say that the controls are too tight ! but hey i cant wait to teach my kids the beautiful thing of cooking a cray on the bbq so they can teach theirs .
allrounder
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You forgot to mention the few that have taken their lives
Through the massive debt they entered into just before they got shafted.Same old chestnut of only looking at it from one side of the fence.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
roberta
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Allrounder that has happened
in all walks of life, from garbos to high executives, stress with financials is a thing that unfortunately hits all areas of life regardless whether you work the land or sea, which is a very sad thing to happen to any family
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allrounder
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I am well aware it happens in all walks Roberta
but when they get told one thing one season and go out and buy new or refit old boats spending big $.Just to have the carpet ripped out from under them the next on crap arse science it is ,as already been said, bull$h!t.It is the same science that has screwed us over as well.We are all dictated to by the same thing so i fail to see how it is us against them and not both sides vs the bull$h1t.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
bitten
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well said
ere where do these prics get off complaining about that then going to the shop and buying fish where do they think it comes from
fisheries have reduced catches in many fisheries to the point where it has driven many opperators out of buisiness and made it nearly impossible for a deckhand to support a family.
so go back to your shitty deskjob and shut the fuck up
marble
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And cowboy commercial guys
And cowboy commercial guys have fucked it for everyone so crawl back into your box sunshine.
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roberta
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I'm sorry that you are
getting angry with my comment Bitten, I didn't ask you to swear in your reply or "my shitty desk job." I'm a self funded retiree that has fished nearly all my life and to see how Fisheries or should I say the State /Federal government, now looking into santuaries up and down the coasthas shafted the amatuer is getting my goat up. We pay a hell of a lot of money to put our boat on the water. Just like pros do. But as amatuers we don't have tax breaks, government refund (percentage) on your fuel, depreciation of your equipment to name a few, all us amatuers seem to do is get hit in the hip pocket all the time and restrictions after restrictions applied on us.
The pros sit around for 4 to 6 weks waiting for the price to go up for their crays, what other business does that, even though they are limited to their tonnage caught, now they have 14months to get their tonnage at most probably higher rates, plus Saturday and Sunday given back to them.. Be like the butcher closing his doors for 4 to 6 weeks waiting for cattle on the hoof to increase to pass on the price to consumers so he can make heaps of profits, I know we'd all be screaming if that ever happened, now wouldn't we.
I see both sides of the arguement but tell me why is the amatuer shafted all the time. 9 times out of 10 the amatuer might put his/her craypots out, out of their 2 pots some would be lucky to get 2 if size, each time they pull their pots, if they haven;t already been pulled by persons unknown. Our limit on demersals are shrinking, then we are hit with a 2 month ban. Yet a professional drop liner went out today, brought in 40 dhuifish, heaps of snapper in the so called breeding cycle of demersals that we as amatuers can't catch, where the hell is the fairness in this for amatuers or the fish stocks, even though he also has a limited tonnage as well, yet brags how he earnt $300,000 last financial year.
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Looks set for the pro's to
Looks set for the pro's to head into the futures market me thinks!
groper down below
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Marble you idiot how
Marble you idiot how the fuk have ' cowboy commericial guys ' fuked it for everybody ???
fisherman have a high respect for the law and rules that have been placed on them and the ones they dont follow the rules eventually get caught out !!! Trust me ive seen my share of dickheads pay some hefty fines and cop black marks on their licences for breaking the law.
Roberta why dont you go upset some of this countries other primary producers like farmers who also get tax breaks on their fuel and depreciation on their equipment because thats what CRAYFISHERMEN are classified as !!!!! PRIMARY PRODUCERS !!! thats right !!!! because of cray fishermen farming crays for the last 80 years they have shortened the growing period of cray fish to market size 76mm from 10 to 12 years to 4 to 6 years and that is proven !!!! because of the amount of bait the fishermen have been feeding the crays they grow quicker !!!!! hence FARMERS .
As for pros waiting around 4 to 6 weeks to go fishing they are still incurring cost and expenses but just waiting for a good price sounds like good business to me !! and the butcher closing his doors wouldnt do a bloody thing thats why you have co-ops just like the fishermen have to keep the product available all the time !!!
Now the wetliner that brings in 40 Dhuies and heaps of snapper again this is his profession and is entilted to by law. The laws concerning wetliners has also dramatically changed in recent years and over 60% of the wetliners that were working on the WA coast are now gone !!! and i will tell you for a fact that amatures have always taken many many more times the amount of fish over a 1 year period than professionals when you see this pro coming in with this amount of fish ask your self how many amatures went out that same day and then times it by 2 and that how many Dhuies were brought in by amatures. Think about it and how many people go fishing on the WA coast .
sorry have to go will return to this topic .
allrounder
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If you do the math the pros will lose on effort every time
if you measure fishing pressure on demersal stocks in baited hooks in the water per hour. If you look at a pro boat running drop lines, i dont know how many hooks they would turn over in a day but i am sure someone can fill that part in. If you take the ramps of Hillaries, Ocean Reef, Mindarie and two rocks. On any good day of a weekend they could have 60 to 100 trailers parked up each. That is 240 to 400 boats in the water. If you average 2 on board each boat thats 480 to 800 anglers on the water. Then if you work on an average that each angler has two baited hooks each rig, then thats 960 to 1600 hooks in the water and if they pull up, rebait and drop every 10 mins in an hour. That means an average of 960 to 9600 hooks an hour for the rec fleet. Then if you split the difference between the two, you get around 4320 over a say 7 hour day then the numbers get big. 30240 baited hooks a day based on just 4 ramps in the northern suburbs. Now add in the rest of them and think about who does the best. The other thing is we dont have to pay for units they fish with. Even if you work on just those 4 ramps if every boat only brings in 1 dhu then thats about 300 odd fish landed plus other species in the mix. Not to mention mishandled fish that will be screwed up by being mishandled then released. Hate to be all doom and gloom but thems the facts.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
marble
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Its my opinion mate, I could
Its my opinion mate. I could call you a fucking idiot as well and that is my opinion too, your little story about working on tuna boats pretty much proves my case, thats a fishery fucked by you and blokes just like you. I`ve better things to do than get into an internet dick swinging with you .
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Man Overboard
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Grabs some popcorn, ice cold
Grabs some popcorn, ice cold beer and pulls up deckchair.
Right, off ya go !!
allrounder
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Lol.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
MattMiller
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Love it Micky
how you been mate?
Man Overboard
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Good thanks Matty, haven't
Good thanks Matty, haven't had much luck with the georgies, let's hope the dhu's fire up over xmas.
MattMiller
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Bloody hope so
but honestly I just hope I get time, been so bloody busy over the last month. Fishing gear has been gathering dust and cobwebs
groper down below
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Righto im back !! as for the
Righto im back !!
as for the crayfisherman earning $300000 i think thats fair enough i mean he has got a $ 4 million dollar outfit running and if ya work it out its about a 7.5 % return on his money which by any business standard isnt great but not to bad either. Like ive said before crayfishing isnt a great investment its a lifestyle.
why dont you go grab your ginger tablets and piss off to some asain country and see how well their fisheries are going !!!
as much as these laws for amatures annoy and affect me i am very proud of what has happened to the laws that affect both amatures and professionals and i say again i cant wait to be able to teach my kids how to cook our wonderful Wester Australian seafood on the bbq so the can teach theirs .
I would also like to say that i particpate in providing the WA fisheries with information about all my amature fishing by keeping a log book for them for the purpose of research.
Do you ?
Now i know at times professional fisherman have had the chance to go open slather on what ever fishery they have been involved in and i have seen the results of that but thank our lucky stars that the fisheries have stepped in and done something about what was going on.
eg. 2 friends of mine are responsibe for shutting down the Pilbara shark fishery for a minium 20 years if not indefinatley in between Exmouth and Port Headland because of the amount of sharks they took over a 2 year period and this was done legally !!! imagine between them taking 4 tonnes of fins per month !!! do you realise how many sharks that is ?! Now before anybody starts jumping up and down they were also taking the trunks as per law.
and during the 90s and into the 21st century i was working on tuna boats with no rules or regulations except the ones that we put on ourself and well there was only really 1 and that was any tuna that looked 20kg or smaller and was still alive went back !! apart from that we went to fuking town and the amount of fish that was taken was just mind boggling !!
Please forgive me for being so passionate but i have been on both sides of the fence here and believe that alot of people just dont have the right info like your self and just dont really see the big picture. You say that youe see both sides of the argument but still believe that amatures are getting the raw end of the stick i dont think you get it at all !!!
roberta
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Why are you
getting so nasty to me, have I been nasty in my comment, I get really annoyed with people that take the piss out of peoples comments, I asked a few questions, yet you've gone viral "piss of with your ginger tablets," I find that offense and annoying that your temper has outshone your intelligence, no wonder people don't comment and if they do like me get sworn at or other nasty comments, I asked a honest question. To me if you can't comment in a intelligent manner, don't bother.
Hubbie and I are also are active members that participate in ALL Fisheries surveys, skeletons, and any ERFLOS that come to our boat, we give all information relavent to what ever fish we catch. Also if we catch one nice dhuie, snapper or baldie that will do us and we come in, we know there is more there but aren't killers of fish stocks.
I have very strong views (not a tree hugger) on the keeping of our fish stocks for future generations to see what we have seen, caught and eaten. I can't for the life of me see how managing fish stocks within the supposed breeding time of Oct/Dec will help the breeding when the professional fisherman can catch them. The most sensible thing would be to close it down completely. The blue manner crabs have come back in great numbers since the 2yr ban of pros catching 24/7 in Cockburn Sound and the one month closer for all in Cockburn Sound, it worked and the crabs are there in great numbers.
We've caught dhuies/black ass/baldie/whiskery sharks in Feb/March full of roe. The amount of juvenile dhuie's that are being caught and releaed are fantastic, which means the bag limits are working and Fisheries management of our fish stocks.
Yes I still think amatuers are getting a raw deal and I'll keep saying that, as that is my honest opinion which has also been verefided by lots of fellow fisho's.
600,000 boats are registered in WA, how many do you think even get out of their pens, how many of these do you think catch fish, how many catch herring/squid/whiting or crabs only, how many catch the demersals, how many just use their boat to drink in and sleep in their private boat club/pen, never seeing salt water. I would love Fisheries to do a complete survey of exactly how many do actually fish or shock horror move.
We read a Fisheries official paper in 2010 and that stated that 90% of amatuers do not catch many or none fish when going out, the 10% left only 5% do catch their bag limit every time they go out, now that was a offical release.
Please forgive me for being so passionate also, as if we don't stick up for our rights or thoughts (whether we agree or disagree with each other) we'll have the wool pulled over our eyes. Which I think is happening with the Santuaries that are in discussion and thoughts of the ruddy Greens/PETA etc
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groper down below
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Allrounder youve hit the nail
Allrounder youve hit the nail on the head !!! i with ya all the way !!!
anytime you want to come up to Geraldton I will take ya fishing !!
Man Overboard
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Hey groper, what is your
Hey groper, what is your stance on the net fishermen down south ( Cape Naturaliste area ) who have shark quotas but are allowed to keep by product, such as those pesky dhu's that somehow mange to infiltrate there nets by the Tonne.
Especially when they fish within 3 mile of the cape.
For the record, allrounder has very valid points.
allrounder
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Nets are weapons of mass destruction.
They would have to be taken out of the system sooner rather than later IMO.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
carnarvonite
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Demersal netting
It won't happen in our lifetime. They are slowly getting rid of unused salmon and beach netting units but allowing them to keep their offshore licences. Which means if they are fit and strong and can pull their demersal nets by hand as we did years back, they can put as much net in as they can handle.
But for Nick and Brian from Bunbury, Bindy from Hamelin, Cooky from Augusta and Jimmy from Windy its business as usual except for a couple of months off in the thickskin pupping season supplying fish to the people who love a feed of fresh fish and are unable to catch their own for one reason or another. Wherewill this fish come from if they are gone, overseas crap from Vietnam, Thailand who use drift nets to pillage whole oceans belonging to poorer nations because they have raped theirs to oblivion in the process.
They may have had their number of units reduced but are still allowed to pull them as many times per day as they like so can cover more ground than they do already plus drop a handline in while waiting to pull the gear again so the catch is still going to remain steady.
The fishermen and their families have all been associated with the industry for most of their lives and that is their trade , same as others who may be sparkies, welders, miners etc and have many hundreds of thousands of dollars tied up in boats, gear , freezers, vehicles etc that would be worth little outside of the industry as they are usually purpose built or set up. I'm sure you are not going to put your hand in your pocket to buy them out and yet you expect the govt to do so with everyone else's coin. Though I'm not involve with the industry any more ,I'm not going to sit down while Barnett and his cronies attempt to get cheap votes by appeasing the greedy bastards who reckons its their fish and theirs 'alone. What the fishermen are doing is LEGAL and would you like it if someone all of a sudden change the rules and made your livelihood illegal over night leaving you high and dry, you would be screaming blue murder and rightly so, they are doing that right now
Billcollector
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There goes your invite
There goes your invite Allrounder.
Lot of angry people out there today, is it hot down there or something.
allrounder
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I am never in the circle of trust mate and thats the way
i like it
.How is it up your neck of the woods.The guys are heading up your way in may/june next year how is the fishing at that time of the year?
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
Billcollector
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Warming up but the usual
Warming up but the usual storms bypassing round the back of us. Fishings good though.
May /June is good. The start of the sailfish season so should find good numbers in close to Barred creek, plenty of reef fish around also macks and tuna in good numbers.
I'm out of here for twelve months travelling otherwise I would have pointed them in the right direction.
allrounder
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Cheers mate i will pass it on.
How is the boat going?In a couple of years i may have to fly up for a test run and see if i can convince him to build one more
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
Billcollector
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Boats going great though
Boats going great though haven't been out in it for a while. In the throws of stripping the gear off if for 12 months hibernation much to the boys disgust.Doubt if you would talk woody into building again I think he is enjoying life.
groper down below
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Man over board ,i have never
Man over board ,
i have never been shark netting nor have i fished in that neck of the woods, so hear goes ,
i have seen and heard these type of fisherman around the geraldton area come in with large quanties of dhuies i dont know if they are targeting them on purpose due to the possible higher price they would get for them ( this is obviously wrong ) or if they are a legimate bycatch but so long as they dont go back overboard to waste i dont see a problem ( like i said a legimate bycatch )
As for fishing so close to the shore i am in 2 minds
1. that area should be left for the amature fisherman because alot of people only have the ability to get out so far before they are out of their league with the size of boat they own.
2. The ocean is the ocean and everybody amature and pro should be allowed to access it except for sanctuary zones which both should be banned from
so i guess what im saying is i dont like the idea but if it is legit i guess for now we have to cop it .
Allrounder that time of year is great its shallow water dhuie time and i mean shallow 1 to 5 m !!!!! hard hitting and heavy pulling !!!!!!!!! also got a spot or 2 to get them off the beach !!! but conditions ave to be right no swell and calm weather .
groper down below
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Marble im sorry for calling
Marble im sorry for calling you that i should have never.
about our fishing for tuna it was the fisheries that allowed so many licences to be issued especially to east coast fisherman and the fisheries that set no laws or bounderies for us to follow we were only doing our job.
Lucky for us it was actually Italy's aquacultre of tuna in cages that flooded world markets and caused alot of fisherman to give up longlining on the West Coast and not our fishing methods that caused the demise of that fishery.
Willlo
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The part i find most
The part i find most confusing is the fact that the Rec fisho cant fish at the moment and the Pro can. If it was all about saving the fish by not fishing through spawning periods or whateva,why is one banned from fishing and the other not? If it was truely about the fish wouldnt a blanket ban at the same time on both Recs and Pros be the way to go? The fact that we are banned at diff times adds to the us against them frame of mind.
p.s I think the ban and the reductions are having a positive effect as the last years fishing has been 1 of my best for a long while.
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carnarvonite
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Shut down
The demersal netters down south have a 10 week period when they cannot fish starting in August I think when they must stop fishing over and above what number of units they own, same thing as for the rec fishers but on different dates, theirs coincides with the pupping season for bronzies, gummies and thickskins[ sandbar whalers],.
They complain the same as you do but theirs is directed to the fisheries and govt members who have a say in making the rules not to the general public.
Willlo
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Not complaining
Not complaining carnarvonite,just confused, if fisheries let us know some of the reasons there would be less complaints cause of less confusion. They prob do put it out on some website or other but most fishos couldnt be bothered wading through all the waffle to get to it.You seem reasonably informed can you tell me how it helps Dhufish stocks ,not talking about down south but here in say Bunbury to Mandurah region if they stop recs fishing for them but let the pros fish or for that matter vic versa. Also carnarvonite i have sent quite a few emails regarding fisheries management to gov members not fisheries direct tho over the last few years. I think what you mean is the pros do it in a more organized manner,correct me if i am wrong.
The point being i think it should be a blanket ban on demersals by both pro and rec fishos at the same time for it to make an even bigger difference.
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carnarvonite
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Demersal ban
What they should do is bring the rec demersal ban forward to coincide with the pros period but that will leave the dhufish spawning season open for all to catch or if they go the other way there isn't going to be any fresh fish in the shops for xmas and crayfishermen without some local bait supplies so they are between a rock and a hard place. The rec ban is all politically based while the pros is from data received from catch records and research over many years.
Pros get their voice heard through WAFIC, WA fishing industry council, and many other bodies involved with the industry, You have to remember that most of the companies and owners in the crayfish, prawning and fresh fish production are multi million dollar concerns with rich investors who have the govt members as friends or associates and a few words over drinks in the right ears goes a long way.
groper down below
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yeh im confused about the ban
yeh im confused about the ban as well mabey it is as simple as taking some pressure off the stocks by not letting so many hooks in the water . Ref to Allrounders article on the maths .
fishintruckie
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How long did it take the pro
How long did it take the pro crabbers in Cockburn Sound to clean the place out when they went from tangle nets to pots? But hey they did it legally.
Howard George
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I Agree A lot of confusion About the closures.
Rec-fishers can target sharks when the commercial guys can't Aug.- Oct and the pros. can target demersals when the recs. can't Oct.-Dec. The Fisheries Dept. keep telling us it is purely a catch closure for Recs. and nothing to do with spawning so as long as a 50% reduction in catch is achieved I can't see why the closures can't be at same time. I can't talk for you guys up North of Perth but down here in the Southwest the best time of the year to go fishing offshore is between Sept. and Dec. not because of the abundance of fish but because it is the best weather conditions. It seems to me our safety is being compromised because some desk jockey has decided that we can't fish at that time of the year. Just think back to last year when a rec-fisher lost his life out from Windmills. The weather changed so fast he didn't have time to pull the anchor.
tangles
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cray season
The reason there is a 14 month season is because in jan 2013 the season will be 12months therefore they have had to make this season a 14months season to coincide with jan 2013! as for the guys that didnt get their quota and went to fisheries and said we want more time! thats bullshit sorry but it is! those guys screwed up! realised that they couldnt get the rest of their quota and they stuffed it! to lease 1 craypot it is up to $2200 atm so u do the maths for a guy who has 80 pots and is leasing them! the derby days of crayfishing are done and dusted! the massive money earned by guys is over! nearly 90% of the crays are export quality! and for those of you that dont know and i reckon there is a heap! if the beach price is $50 per kg for A grade crays! if you get a cray that spits a cpl legs that cray goes back over the side you dont keep it because it is only worth $38 a kg you fish for maximum price of maximum quality not about qantity anymore! the amount of crays that get thrown over the side now is incredible! if they are not quality they go back so there is no raping the ocean floor of the wirrols anymore! if any of you want to know more about this you can ring me and ill explain it to you verbaly so you can get the picture my nr is 0448035504!
My old boss and the gero crew will know him as bowser! on the magellan! first boat out last boat back everyday at the islands in his day! these guys made their money from crayfishing and they went hard! we would work from nov 15th everyday until the 1stmay and then would have a day off! blood sweat and alot of tears for little money as a decky!
As for fishing! ive weltlined and i love stabbing fish in the head but they you know the guys that i fished with will not fish a school out! they fish it till the size of the fish get to a certain size then we move! you dont just rape it out! but i cant speak for all the guys because i know of a few guys that do rape the shit outa it and those are the guys that need to go but if they follow the law set by those peanuts in fisheries then what are they suppose to do!
Tuna fishing! i fished for the buschetties for a bit and in the early 2000s any tuna under 20kg went back! the swordies are wot concerned me as one boat with one skipper took small swordies and i would just mutter unger my breath but you did yr job! and after 14 days 25mile out in bumfuck you got back and get a $1200 pay cheque! you frikkn cry! 21 hr days and thats it! but when fishing is in yr blood and it is yr life you fish! im no longer a commercial fisherman but alot of my mates still are and they rely on it to feed their families and try n survive because thats all they know what to do! so all the swipes from some of you guys at them are not appreciated at all! You dont hear commercial fishermen ranting and raving and crying aobut recos so be careful of what you say about people. those who know me on here know i am passionate about fishing and fish stocks and i still have the ideal that if i catch a dhui over 10kg it goes back and if i catch a snapper above a certain size it goes back these are breeding fish! and should be put back to do that! Dont put all commercial fishermen in the same bag as each other just because of the peanuts that have stuffed it for the rest! take your aim at them and them only and dont flog ya gob unless you know the facts and i mean the facts not what you hear at the pub or on the phone from yr mate who talked to his mate who talked to the chick he shagged down the road whos dad owns the servo that a fisho comes to fuel his boat up at! i dont usually answer things like this but fishing and being on boats has got me where i am and ive nearly died out off the shelf doing the job i love so i dont take to kindly to people having a go because they think that because you are a reco you rule the water well you dont no one does!
Thats all i have to say about this
FISH FOR THE FUTURE NOT THE BLOODY FREEZER!!!!!
Billybuchman
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Date Joined: 08/03/11
Spot on Tangles
Couldnt agree more
groper down below
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Date Joined: 19/11/11
right on Tangles i know wot
right on Tangles i know wot ya talking bout !!
smash
Posts: 434
Date Joined: 01/12/10
Heartening
it is heartening to hear many recs defending commercial fisho's, besides people such as myself and a couple above.
Most people know that pro fishos are hard working honest people and do not deserve a slagging.
Roberta-forget all the name calling above, but you need to read up on how the rules have been devised.
Fisheries provide a pretty good explanation on their website and it would be much better to look for the info first then blow off rather than let loose without any effort to check out the facts first.
Demersal ban-ditto to those who dont understand it. Yes it is a load of horse shit but not cos "pros get everything and we get nothing". Once again do a search and see the explanations of what pros lost 2 years BEFORE the rec changes came in.
It was quite clearly and openly a 2 stage process, pain for pros first then rec.
quindieselbrad
Posts: 329
Date Joined: 01/09/10
put simply, the extentions
put simply, the extentions may just help save some businesses from going under like so many have due to stupid restrictions etc fancy being made redundant with over a mill worth of crayboat and then have to sell up and proly go near broke, i feel sorry for them but hope this helps relieve the tension for a while. good luck crayboys , kill it :)
Catchn dhuies off the smell of an oily rag :)
tangles
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Date Joined: 17/12/06
pot licences
pot licences are now upwards of 28-30k per pot average boat has 120pot licences do the maths! guys are still paying off their licences from years ago such is the fine line that the industry has. Roberta the guys you say went to fisheries and asked for more days, were given 15 days extra to catch the crays but they ended up quashing it very quickly! if you didnt get your quota by the end of the alloted time it was their bad luck bad management made them not catch their quota! i know of a few guys up north that have leased an extra 50-60 pots at 2000 a pot! not a rich industry anymore! and if the fisheries research guys keep fixing the figures on the pirolous counts then they are gona stuff it even more! just because the small crays arent in the shallows doesnt mean they arent there! as for the wetliners! there are only 70 odd licences left on the coast maybe less! and they are govened by how many days they are allowed to fish in certain zones and you work out say 15days of fishing only allowed say in the kalbarri zone for a year thats it 15 days out of a year! the impact isnt that bad on the stocks as some of you seem to think! you need to study and do your research before you start having a go a things you dont know about! and remember commercial fishos are recreational fishos as well they take their kids and family fishing and i can vouch for the ones i know they teach their kids to catch and release and only take what they are going to eat unlike some reco guys i know! the cowboys are slowly getting filtered out of the industry because of the laws and regs that are now in place unfortunately it is a slow process that you cant rush!
FISH FOR THE FUTURE NOT THE BLOODY FREEZER!
championruby
Posts: 459
Date Joined: 20/01/11
Plenty of rec fishing cowboys
Plenty of rec fishing cowboys around thats for sure. Ppl still netting the swan etc. As you say can't put all the eggs in one basket, good on ya for giving the pros perspective.
tangles
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Date Joined: 17/12/06
tks mate
tks mate thats cos im my blood i still am one and all my mates support their families from it! if you ever go to kalbarri and need some marks for fishing or help brother feel free to drop me a pm and ill look after you!
saltatrix
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Date Joined: 30/03/08
Carnarvonite "Where will this
Carnarvonite "Where will this fish come from if they are gone, overseas crap from Vietnam, Thailand who use drift nets to pillage whole oceans belonging to poorer nations because they have raped theirs to oblivion in the process."
Approximately 90% of Australia's fish supply comes from overseas right now.
Angling tourism is worth $10 billion to the Australian economy - 90000 jobs; more than any sport; spread the word
carnarvonite
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Date Joined: 24/07/07
Amateur/ Professional
You ask where the FRESH fish as I stated will come from, who knows. The average person in the street has a right to buy FRESH caught local fish [not imported frozen garbage] from a shop the same as an amateur fisherman has to go and catch his feed.
If you remove the pro so that the amateur, who cannot sell his catch, has all or most of the catch how does the non fisher types get a feed of locally caught FRESH fish, back to you!
saltatrix
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Date Joined: 30/03/08
Wasnt having a go at you
Wasnt having a go at you Canarvonite.
Just demonstrating that while we crap on about local fish actually 90% of it comes from overseas.
When was the last time you went to a local fish merchant? Youll struggle to find local inshore fish in shops.
Most of it is Hapuka or "deepwater" fish caught off the back of the metro rec exclusion line.
Some of the local fresh Dhufish etc has been in freezers for six months because the retailers wont pay the price the fishermen are asking.
We're all in the same boat, whether your a tradie, farmer, fisherman or tackleshop retailer. Theyre all getting rolled over.
Never seen a tradie with a 4 story house and a brand new Haines Hunter parked out the front. Might of seen a crayfisherman though. Not that am against that, good on em, but the same old bleeding heart story wears thin.
Angling tourism is worth $10 billion to the Australian economy - 90000 jobs; more than any sport; spread the word