double snell on a paternoster rig

 guys wondering if this is possible without using swivel. cheers Paul


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 I use a single swivel to

Thu, 2014-07-03 09:09

 I use a single swivel to attach to the mainline. My leader has 2 dropper loops, 1 in the middle and 1 at the bottom. I then use a double snelled hook with a loop and attach it to the mainline that way.

 

The bottom dropper is used to attach the sinker.

 

Does this make sense?

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 tie small dropper loops in

Thu, 2014-07-03 09:15

 tie small dropper loops in your patternoster then tie your snelled hooks seperatly with a loop at the end the simply join the two loops together by poking the hooks on the snelled section through the loop on the patternoster then through the loop on the snelled rig...if that makes any sense.....well thats how I do it anyways

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I love snells to present bait better

Thu, 2014-07-03 09:24

And on a paternoster I would do as the above chaps mentioned. Two loops for hooks but I keep mine small and simple. Just overhand or surgeons knot to form the small loops. Then tie the snells and form loops at the end of the snell mainline, keeping the distance such that the 2 "snells" dont tangle with each other. Sinply attach by loop to loop connection. Fishing this way I always have a mulie on top and other bait on the bottom. The pickers or any other fish always seem to go the mulie first, and even if they shred it, it acts as burley for the bottom bait. Also use sometimes a Octo or similar jig as the Sinker. Works for me, bait and jig all at the same time, but a pretty expensive sinker should you hook terra firma.

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 As mentioned above, I use a

Thu, 2014-07-03 09:32

 As mentioned above, I use a dropper loop, keeping it small, seperately snell the hooks on a separate length of leader, then attach it to the loop via an Albright knot.

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the disadvantage of the alright know

Thu, 2014-07-03 09:41

is if you get a bolt cutter etc take the hook, need a whole new rig, if you loop to loop , you can change the set up much quicker.

I imagine the loops would be weaker though, at least at the knots.

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 Yeah thats true but I would

Thu, 2014-07-03 10:11

 Yeah thats true but I would personally rather take a few extra seconds to tie stronger knots than have them fail on a fish. If a 3-way swivel is used, all that needs to be replaced is the leader with the hooks which takes the same amount of time as changing a loop to loop.

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Overhand/Granny knots...

Thu, 2014-07-03 10:51

....normally the absolute worst knot you can use in any fishing application, but I always used them when creating loops to attach snells and singles to my dropper loops, and never had one fail. That was using leader strengths ranging from 80 to 125 lbs, and successfully boating dhuies/sambos/rays/sharks in excess of 20kg.

 

Also, remember to use leader material of a similar diameter/breaking strain as your dropper loops, 'cause if it's a lot smaller, say 60lb compared to a 100lb dropper, it can cut through it under load (big fish).

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Normally use loop to loop,

Thu, 2014-07-03 11:27

Normally use loop to loop, fishing with 80 - 100lb and have been doing so since I started heavy demersal fishing. Never had one fail, even on big sharks. As has been pointed out this connection makes it very quick to swap over hooks.

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Swivel

Thu, 2014-07-03 11:28

 If using a swivel to attach the bait will spin way too much if in a strong current or drifting. Nice short leaders prevent baits spinning and present to fish better. 

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Swivel

Thu, 2014-07-03 11:46

 I use small swivel rated to 60lb to join snell rig to loop from boat,beach and rocks. Never had a issue and easy to chnage rigs

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double snell on a paternoster rig

Thu, 2014-07-03 11:47

 Guys thanks for all your responses. was wondering if someone could do a diagram of where the knots and loops go as i'm abit confused with all these dropper loops and knots. Thanks for the help

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Try this

Thu, 2014-07-03 11:57

Firstly tie the snelled hooks onto a leader (say 600mm long, no loops). Then tie this leader onto your main line or backbone of the paternoster rig using a surgeon's knot. Cut the tag end of the leader and you're done.

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Thanks Alan

Thu, 2014-07-03 12:00

 Does this slip up and ur line or does that surgeon's knot hold fast. If that is the case then can I put two lots of double snell's on with a sinker.

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Thu, 2014-07-03 12:18

When I first tried this I was concerned that the short leader would slip at the surgeon's knot but that hasn't been the case. Tie a few and test them is the best way. I think the surgeon's knot maybe the knot they use when tying sabiki jig rigs or similar.

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Thanks Alan

Thu, 2014-07-03 12:26

 Ok i'll try that and see how I go. I'll let you know