Double uni knot

Hi all looking at coming over to the dark side (jigging) and am reseaching. Do most of you jigging fellas use a double uni for tying braid to mono leader connection? If not what is better? easier? Any info appreciated. Also what breaking strain for the leader? I'm going to be hunting Dhuies, pinkies etc

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Leader knots

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:15

 Hey mate! I personally use a Bimini'd braid end to make my double to then tie on my leader with an improved allbright.  Then for the lure, I use just a basic lure loop knot, which is the weaker knot so to break there rather than the braid to mono joint if snagged.  If I'm using a 20lb braid, I'd then use a 40lb leader, 50lb braid I'll use an 80 lb leader. Works for me.  For dhus and pinks, a 20 - 30 lb mainline with a 40-50 lb leader would be my choice.

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My guess would be

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:17

very few jiggers use that connection.

Personally I use a bimini in the braid to form the loop then a GT knot for the braid to leader connection.

There are many different strong connection which you should be able to find with a quick use of the search bar.

Knots like GT, Albright, FG and PR would be the most common.

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As Matt. For ease of re

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:23

As Matt.

For ease of re tieing out on the boat , it's a bimini to gt knot for braid to leader.  30-40lb fluro leader a couple meters long to a uni knot connecting the swivel/jig

(have never once had the bimini to gt fail)

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bimini to gt is

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:27

bimini to gt is definately the easiest strong knot to tie

http://fishwrecked.com/forum/video-how-tie-gt-knot

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With a bit of practice I can

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:31

With a bit of practice I can tie a pr faster than I can tie a bimini/gt, even on a boat. Just need a decent bobbin. Fg is preferred but not as quick and it makes me sick looking down in a boat for too long.

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Forget the albright, improved

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:35

Forget the albright, improved or otherwise. The minimum is the GT, after that the FG or PR if you're really keen.

Happy to show you either the GT or the FG if you're around this way sometime.

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Improved albright

Wed, 2012-06-13 08:07

Till,

Have you had bad experience with the imrpoved albright? I have landed some big fish with this knot and never had a drama, i should still prob learn another as well but

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The thing about knots ... 1)

Wed, 2012-06-13 09:13

The thing about knots ...

1) You have to be able to tie it reliably.

2) If you haven't tested your knots a few times on reliable scales, you're really just guessing about how strong they are. Most people have no idea what they set their drag to either.

3) There has been more than enough testing to show the fingercuff knots are really the top of the tree, and the GT not far behind them, so why use anything else?

I really don't think I'm special, or the universe is any different where I am than anywhere else, so I don't tie a knot that is known to be inferior because it would be unreasonable for me to expect it to behave differently for me.

One of those US-based fishing mags had a knot comp where people could wnter any knot they liked, as long as it was tied with a specific leader and braid. The winning knot out of thousands of entries was an FG knot that that featured a chamfered tag end on the mono, not even bulbed with a lighter!

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 The best knot is the one you

Wed, 2012-06-13 21:42

 The best knot is the one you know and trust and you can tie in any conditions ,for me it's the back to back uni.

Each to there own.

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Hey sea-kem. I am a bit lazy

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:41

Hey sea-kem. I am a bit lazy when it comes to doing my braid joiner knots. I do what you are thinking of doing. Bimini then just a double uni to the shock leader. As yet i have NEVER, repeat NEVER had the knot snap at the double uni, even on snags when fishing on the boat where i have tied the braid to a bollard and drove the boat away to snap it. I have always had the mainline braid snap before anything else usually somewhere down the line. This is over 8 years using this method. I use it for all my braided reels for any style of braid fishing i do from Freshwater, Landbased baiting and lure casting, Jigging, Bottom Bouncing and so on. 

 

Caught plenty of big fish and even jig for sambo's using this setup. In saying that i also use the bimini, double uni for my beach casting, which doesnt always work out so well, as the double uni has 'tags' at bother ends which can catch on the guides while casting. But in saying that it only catches maybe once every 30 cast. But sometimes it catches and snaps, bye bye lure. But that only happens maybe one in every 200 casts, so very rare for me.

 

In saying all this though, there will be pletny of people that will tell you not too use this setup because there are better/stronger knots. And they are right there are better/stonger knots to do. But if your like me and cant be bothered forking out for a bobbin, or learning some fandangled complex knot(obviously not complex once you learn how to do it hahah) the setup of bimini(i do 70 turns) and double uni(5 turns either way) should be fine for anything but the most extreme types of fishing.

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You are right Buz

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:44

but you might be surprised how easy it is to tie a GT. Only takes about 5 secs longer than a Double Uni

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Yeah i know but i am a knot

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:50

Yeah i know but i am a knot numpty, i 've had mate show me a few time, i have even sat and watched youtube vids on how to do it and tied it while watching it. But still cant remember how to do it later on !!!!!!

Gave in years ago and just stuck with the double uni. FAIL hahahahaha.

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Fair enough

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:56

if it works for you then stick to it I guess.

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Haha too right Matt. But like

Wed, 2012-06-13 13:08

Haha too right Matt. But like everything in fishing it will probably take me to lose are really good fish one day using my method for me to really get my arse into gear and learn some of the stronger knots. But for now i havent lost anything yet(fingers crossed) so will stick to my basics :)

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Cheers for the feed back guys

Tue, 2012-06-12 21:04

Cheers for the feed back guys awesome stuff. I'm a lot like you Buz a bit lazy with the fandangled knots. Sounds like I need to lean to tie a half decent bimini and GT knot. Once I get the hang of them I'll do the research into which plastics and jigs.I recently bought a 20000 stella off Decella and his bastard stick which is a bit broom like so need advice on a good jigging rod as well.

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I have always used a

Wed, 2012-06-13 10:21

bimini braid and joined it to the leader using an improved allbright with great success even on the deepdrop, but I think it is time to learn some new knots now

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 Like others have said mate,

Wed, 2012-06-13 13:19

 Like others have said mate, learn the FG. The GT is fine in light gear but its too bulky in anything above 30lb which is more important when casting the knot through the guides. I usually do bulb the mono end but i haven't noticed any difference in strength when i haven't, just make sure you dont get any heat on the braid.

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Jeez I am lazy

Wed, 2012-06-13 13:52

Braid to Mono, 20 turn Uni in the braid, 4 turn in mono (3 turns if 60lb > or =). Havent had this fail, but I have a little extra secret. I use a tissue glue (used to stich small cuts, especially in screaching Kids) and it has tissue penetrating properties unlike superglue. A dob or 2 on the braid and it fuses all the fibres and there is no way on earth she will part there.

I am happy and fast enough with a Bimini (I actually enjoy tieing this knot) but now I trust the modified Uni-Uni more than other knots. I am not sure whether a record would count with this knot modified, but then again I am not a record or comp fisher, I do it for Fun and the odd feed.

As for a GT knot, to old for these drunk fingers to be good at this.

The rule I have is whatever works for you is the best solution. I dont like busted off fish and usually have a tanty spit when this happens (apart from Sharks), but soon calm and check the cause, and I record this. If knot failure is the cause, I would change ASAP, because I hate busted off fish or getting spooled. Culprits on my list mostly leader rubbing or bitten (easily detected) or broken braid (more uncommon on fish, but common with snags) and I have found that if you bust off braid, it is usually fairly close to the rod end. No idea why, but if that is the case it cant be the knot. As for the ones that could be the knot or line, I inspect the end. It is fairly clear what happened if you look at it closely. It looks sheared if the line broke, and odd when the knot (have "tested" this with weak knots to see at home) breaks. Old braid realy suxs and IMO braid over 2yrs old should be replaced. I reverse my braid 6monthly at the minimum.

I am still lazy and use snap swivels when I am not braid to leader sometime, and even though the number is 2 up from whats needed I have had 2 fail with the snap, and yet the Modified Polymar I use for terminals to braid stayed intact. IMO a Polymar is a crap knot if not modified, both in how you tie it, and also the good old glue.

But like Buz above, I like fishing and not tying knots, thus a bit lazy. If just braid to Mono without some other help, I wouldn't I think use a Uni-Uni, maybe a Bimini double Uni, hate Albrights (normal or Mod) and would probably learn a GT (it isnt that difficult if you must do it I agree) or other.

Remeber braid is slippery, and you need heaps more turns in knots designed for Mono. Like mentioned above 20wraps in the Mono. This could mean that the GT might be quicker to tie!!!!

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I have been using this

Wed, 2012-06-13 20:01

I have been using this version of the FG knot (also known as the Sebile knot). Dont tie anything else when fishing 20lb plus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N0mCf0AIAA

 

 

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I use Geoff Wilsons shock

Wed, 2012-06-13 20:45

I use Geoff Wilsons shock tippet and leader knot. Definately a strong knot as i found out recently after getting reefed by something big 1st my rod broke and then the 80pound leader gave way leaving me with about 20cm of leader and one unscathed knot.