I have some Hella Rallye 4000 which I converted to HID. Hell of alot cheaper than buying a set of predators or similar. I think the predators are about the $1000 mark (each).

The thing with the factory built ones are the ballast boxes (the things which boost the power for the light) are built into the light housing itself. I have the boxes under the bonnet.

 The light they produce is excellent. I went from having a dull light with average range to a bright white light that at least doubled the range.

I dont know what sort of money your looking at spending but my lights were $600 for the pair (i think) and $200 or so for the conversion kit. I have had them in my spotties for about 4 years and my father out law has done his two cruisers and hasnt looked back. You may find that the light the factory produced ones give may be slightly better, but for the money, the conversion has done an excellent job.

cheers

Paully , I sell Hella and I dont mind telling you the best lights on the market at the moment are made by Lightforce ( which I dont sell).

All the truckies that have used rallye 2000 and then 4000 .......have thrown them away

and fitted lightforce www.lightforce.com

You can pick these up from the Kenworth Truck dealer in perth or a business called  Allanco in Welshpool.

The Narvas I was looking at combo kit (1 pair - 225mm) with all the wiring bits and pieces and lens covers were $1100.00. The light from one (demo) was outstanding. having never looked seriously at them before, I'm learning, but do want to get a pair (brand to be decided) some time soon. Thanks again fellas.   

 Well worth a look Paully

Alanco ph number 9358 7000

Kenworth Daf  9359 7400

Let me know how you go ?

Paully ..which is the Narva kit your looking at ?

71670HID Broad beams

71680HID Pencil beams

71700Hid  Combination of both

Yep, mine are 35watt globes also. Compare them to a standard rallye 4000 halogen globe which is 100watt.

The ballast box is what gives the globes their power, they act like a capacitor. When you first flick the spotties on, they take a second or two to get to full power. The charge the boxes hold is an incredible amount and so the bright light.

You do have the choice of 35w or 50w with most models but i think the cost jumps a fair bit.

 These are mine : http://www.hella.com/produktion/HellaAU/WebSite/Channels/Drivers/Auxiliary_Driving_Lamps/Predator_Series/Predator_Series.jsp

cheers

what is the little metal transformer looking box that comes with the hids as an external thing, that the wiring is hooked up to?

on my old patrol i had a pencil on drivers side and a broadbeam on the passenger side. think they were narvas, not sure which ones though as they were on there when i bought the car. not to bad but definatly room for improvement.

Paully  , Im was Auto Sparky  in my first life haha.

Our roads in Aus are better suited to the combo , spread on the passengers side andpencil on the right.

If your main use is north I would even consider two pencil's .

They will light up all you need on the sides and give maximum distance to pick up

cattle , roo's etc

If your convinced on Narva ,I can do a better price than that for you

9351 4819

is the ballast box that powers the lights.

if you have a look on the lightforce website again they have them separately as a conversion kit.

it is called a ballast.  It contains capacitors, transistors and a couple of resistors to give the large power out put required to fire the lights.  Have a read of this, it describes the whole thing well

High Intensity Discharge (HID) lighting produces more light and uses less energy than a standard bulb. The quality of light emitted by HID lights is closer to that of natural daylight, making them preferable for growing, diving, and automotive applications, among others.

In order to compare types of lighting, a basic understanding of how each works is necessary. A standard incandescent light consists of a tungsten filament inside a gas-filled bulb. When the bulb is turned on, a current is sent through the filament. Tungsten has a high electrical resistance, so the current generates heat, which then produces light. The gas inside the bulb slows the evaporation of the tungsten filament, but eventually the heat will cause the filament to decay enough to break, causing the light bulb to go out.

HID lights have a capsule of gas instead of the tungsten filament. The gas is actually used to produce light instead of simply slowing the decay of the bulb. Two electrodes

When the ballast ignites, it takes in a small amount of power and creates an intense charge of electricity across the electrodes. This electrical charge excites the gas molecules inside the bulb and causes them to discharge photon particles, producing light. Because the light is based on this gas discharge, HID lights only produce about 5% of their total output at ignition and can require up to 30 seconds to warm up to full power. If the light is turned off, it must cool to a certain temperature before it can be re-ignited.

This process creates several significant advantages over a standard light bulb. Because heat not a necessary component of light production in HID lights, they are able to produce the same or even more light at a much cooler temperature. HID lights are also far more efficient because the electrical current is only the catalyst for the gas to discharge its light particles, not the primary source of heat and light. The ballast regulates a constant flow of power only to keep the gas molecules excited, while a standard light requires a constant intense electrical current to keep the filament hot. HID bulbs will last longer than standard bulbs because of the rapid decay of the tungsten filament and will also produce more light toward the end of its life.

In addition to being more efficient, HID lights also produce brighter and more intense light because the entire capsule of gas is used instead of just a small filament in the middle of the bulb. This also means that the light will be distributed more evenly than with a standard bulb. This advantage in light quality is a major reason why HID systems are preferable for automotive and gardening lights. Motorists are able to see much more with HID headlights than with standard halogen headlights. In fact, many car manufacturers are including HID lights as part of their standard package instead of making them a luxury upgrade.

Sorry about the large cut and paste, but it saved me typing for 10 min.  They are fantastic.  I would agree that it is a cheaper option to convert halogens to HIDs rather than pay the huge price

I thought the ballast was internal !! That's where I was confused. So that then is like a capacitor on a flouro light, is that right.  

thanks hunterdive.

with the upgrade to hid.The best thing about the lightforce is you dont need to choose between spot and spread as all you need to do is adjust the focus to suit.Thinking of getting a third one for the middle and the upgrade for the headlights too.

rallye 4000 HID all the way

I'll def be getting a set some time soon.. ahh decisions.  

paully pm sent mate.... ill take you for a cruise in the lux.... u will go straight out and grab a pair - lightforce all the way.... sh*t all over the 4 rallye 4000's i had on my cruiser - no comparison

great price too if ya look in the right spot

Thanks mate, have returned a pm..