Fremantle council votes to end live sheep exports
quote:"FREMANTLE has adopted a policy aimed at putting an end to live sheep exports from the port.
A historic decision was made last night by the City of Fremantle to support a phase out of live exports.
More than 80 per cent of the nearly 4 million Australian sheep exported in 2006 were loaded through the port of Fremantle...."
Well about time, a cruel way of exporting produce.
We should be rather exporting value added meat produce and products.
We have towns with needs for jobs and rural processing of meat, freezing and cold-storage food chain would be of more value to the industry,
Also nothing worse than a scenic port town, that has a strong tourism bias to have the sight of sheep in holding ships in it's port.
maybe we will see better value added usage of the port now as well, and reduced risks to the Swan river.
JMO
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Seaquest
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Just another nail in the
Just another nail in the coffin for our farmers.
Mordern live export ships are very animal friendly. Just a few old ships that give the rest a bad name.
Whats next, maybe we should ban fishing because it is cruel.
Tony Halliday
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no not about farming, it's
no not about farming, it's about animal handling.
My wife has two degrees in animal science and more experience in farming than many men will ever have.
And she is in favour of processing animals as soon as possible after the farm, stopping large scale stress and harm to animals in transport.
Fresh slaughter animals taste different to live stock long hauled, due to fear hormones, and adrenaline damage to muscles and the tissue ( FACT).
by the way it's not about the same thing as fishing, but maybe could be compared to live fish and lobsters / crabs in some restaurants where they live in poor conditions in a tank waiting for you to choose them for your place.
Man was meant to eat meat, fish, veggies and grain. how he does it is the humanity in us or lack of.
Their should be dignity and compassion in preparation for our food chain.
And yes I have worked in the food processing industry, from slaughter to cryo-freezing, so I have seen the good and bad and what really happens to "Babe" before he becomes bacon!
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brenz
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no nail in the coffin at
no nail in the coffin at all mate they cant keep up atmm as it is . i am a meat manager for a major retail company and we cant get enough sometimes hense y we have to go east. we are getting shitty product sometimes cause they send the healthies stuff away so it can survive
brenz
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and wil also second what
and wil also second what tony has written
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I remember around 10yrs back
I remember around 10yrs back while fishing between rotto and mainland, the sounder started ringing. We took a look and all we seen was what looked like a massive school of fish blancketed under the boat. Within 30 min my uncle pulled up a 3 dead sheep that he snagged on his gangs.
Must of been quite a few that had been thrown off or some how fell off.
We reported it but heard nothing back
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Seaquest
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It will affect our
It will affect our farmers. Other countries are not interested in buying frozen meat. If we stop live exports, other countries who import animals from us will just go else where. It is already happening. My old man has 50 years experience in live animal exports. He now mainly exports goats to China and Malaysia with planes. Same planes that take our crays. The demand for animal exports from australia is shrinking because we are making it to hard. Stopping live exports from freo will only decrease the demand for Australian livestock.
roberta
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NZ has stopped the trade of live sheep
have now a very good trade in frozen meat. The arguement for the beginning of live export was that most Arab countries (1) wanted meat killed halal way, (2) that they didn't own freezers or cool rooms to keep the killed carcasses in.
We kill halal here in Perth and apparently the NZ export carcesses send all their stock to big freezers/cool rooms in Arab countries. The frozen export of carcesses in NZ has tribled, so I think we can do it here.
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roberta
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Have to agree Tony
my cousin (Holland) is a marine engineer coming to Perth for many years, has been on these so called luxury liners for carting sheep, well lets just say, what he said wasn't pretty. Apparently sheep also get sea sick, so bad they die. Can't stand the trade of live sheep. The thousands of jobs that were lost. The farmers get ripped off with there price on the hoof.
Old fart has seen too many disgusting things happening on the wharf while they load the sheep, things that never ever get printed in the newspapers or seen on TV. The RSPCA is a toothless tiger on this subject.
When we go fishing in Leeman on the beach, the amount of sheep skulls we find washed up on the beach is disgusting. People wonder why the sharks come in close, dead sheep floating.
Not sure Tony but have been told the great white loves following sheep boats.
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Seaquest
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It amazes me people are so
It amazes me people are so concerned about a sheeps welfare. The only reason they exists is to be killed for meat. Is a few dead sheep on a boat any different from fish been drowned in gill nets? Do sheep have more feelings than fish?
Are sheep any better off on a farm? Ever seen a fly blown sheep with its guts hang out or a sheep that got its leg caught in a fence and just about ripped it off trying to get out. The only difference for a sick or injured animal on a farm to a boat is where they end up. In the water or six feet under.
Tony Halliday
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mate we come from a 400 year
mate we come from a 400 year long farming family.
We have always had pride and diginity in how we farmed and treated every animal with respect.
just cause it has to die one day to go on a table for food, does not mean you can treat it any way you like.
And yes I was a Chairman of a very large regional RSPCA in 1995 and also hunted, so I know what killing for the pot is too.
Australia has this brain dead idea that we just export basics. We don't turn ore into metal or goods, we don't turn maize into final product, we don't turn live stock into value producsts unless we have too.
Maybe we should be farming only what we can localy comsume and export only whats value added!
JMO
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Seaquest
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I agree Tony most farmers
I agree Tony most farmers respect their animals. But farming can be a tough environment at times. Sheep die from drought, cold weather, disease, foxes etc etc. If a sheep has died on a boat it is mainly for the same reasons, harsh environment not because it has been mistreated.
John the Pom
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From what Roberta has
From what Roberta has written about NZ's trade not diminshing, I would have thought your argument is pointless Seaquest.
If the trade is still there, what is the point in making animals suffer?
Seaquest
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Sorry but Roberta is wrong,
Sorry but Roberta is wrong, NZ still exports live animals. One of NZ biggest exports is live lambs to USA. There is only a small market for frozen meat. Would you ever buy a frozen steak? People want fresh products.
If Australia and NZ stop live exports it want help the welfare of animals. Other countries like China will come into the market and they have little concern on how a sheep is treated. The market for live livestock is never going to disappear.
The freo council are doing this to stop the increasing amout off traffic coming into the harbour that it can't handle. It has nothing to do with welfare of animals.
Seaquest
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One more question. How is a
One more question. How is a sheep beening killed on a boat any more cruel than what has just been posted? - Monster on the Rocks.
I find it funny that the tiger shark capture will get a lot of positve comments, but those same people commenting on the shark think it is criminal to export live sheep. In reality the shark has been killed and mistreated for no reason other than a photo.