fg knot

 i just started practising the fg knot and love it.

some say to ball the tag end and some say its not necessary.

what do you do as id prefer not dont like the idea of heat right near the line like that especially in a rocky boat

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 I use fg knots for all my

Fri, 2014-04-04 06:29

 I use fg knots for all my braid - leader connentions.  But I tend not to tie them on board.  It usually something I do sitting around the camp at night.  If I break one out on the water I'll either use another outfit or tie a clip on with a double polamar knot.  I melt the leader and seal the braid tag as a matter of practise and tie lots of half hitches.  Have rarely had one break.  Anchored the boat with my 50lb braid / 100lb leader outfit one day (snagged).  Knot didnt give way!  I reckon they're the best knot to use.  Just takes a bit of practice and time to tie them right.

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 And I always start with at

Fri, 2014-04-04 06:31

 And I always start with at least 4m of leader

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 I don't burn the end of the

Fri, 2014-04-04 07:06

 I don't burn the end of the leader all I do is put a bit of superglue over the last few hitches. Haven't had any dramas yet, awsum knot once you get the hang of them hey

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Instead of melting the tag

Fri, 2014-04-04 09:03

Instead of melting the tag end of the leader into a ball, all I do is leave a few mm of leader sticking out. In the event of the knot slips, that extra few mm will provide insurance that the criss cross braid will still hold on to the leader.

Usually the knot slips when the criss cross braided wrap is not wound on tight enough. Happens to me when the braided line cuts into my hand and I can't pull it too tight. If I notice the few mm "insurance" slides into the braided line wrap after a decent big fish then it is time to retie the knot.

Due to the direction of the leader (facing the reel), the knot will still fly unimpeded through the guides during the cast. Even during retrieving the extra tag end doesn't pose any major dramas.

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I melt the end. I find it

Fri, 2014-04-04 09:06

I melt the end.

I find it goes through the guides easier if you make a ball at the end of the mono then slide all the half hitches up so they sit next to the ball, then do more half hitches over the braid by itself. If you have the mono tag sticking out too much it jams when retreiving the line.

It's a pain in the ass to do on a boat though because the lighter always goes out from all the wind.

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Fg Knot.

Fri, 2014-04-04 10:00

I like the benifits of the knot and been tying a few. But i had a member of bluewater tie one on a combo of mine in the shop a few days ago and went out friday for an evening jig for dhus. On hook up it let go intantly!  So its back to bimini / GT's for a while until im confident im getting it right.

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Yep bimini gt for me too,

Fri, 2014-04-04 10:09

Yep bimini gt for me too, heaps easier, never had one fail. Fg tho would be better through the guides for casting with heavy gear

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Me 3

Fri, 2014-04-04 18:48

 Still yet to have one let go in the 5yrs I've been tying them.

Cant see any reason to change.

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I actually taper the mono off

Fri, 2014-04-04 10:45

I actually taper the mono off to a point over the last 5 mm with a sharp blade. My half hitches continue past the tip another few mm. What I do though is take the gloss off the mono with a nail file or something. Cant recall ever having one slip off, after passing the "tug test" before use.

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Apart from saying "I can tie it"

Fri, 2014-04-04 11:38

Which I havent bothered to learn, is there any advantages other than easier casting over the Bimini/GT, because if there is I still have to work it out.

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 Buy a boaz line burner jet

Fri, 2014-04-04 17:07

 Buy a boaz line burner jet lighter they are worth there weight in gold. Never use glue on knots. A properly tied fg needs no glue.

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 In fact the only thing that

Sat, 2014-04-26 14:40

 In fact the only thing that melts super glue is salt water!

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 Bimini and GT for me too,

Sat, 2014-04-26 23:21

 Bimini and GT for me too, there's something to be said about mechanical advantage over just relying on line tension. But horses for courses.

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Bimini and gt

Sun, 2014-04-27 19:35

Only way, And on a moveing boat too

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 How many people responding

Sun, 2014-04-27 21:04

 How many people responding to this thread using the Bimini twist,  actually tie that knot on board if you snap your braid???

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Not every time,

Sun, 2014-04-27 21:08

but been known to do so as long as it's not too 'bumpy' out there

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 Yeah it doesn't take long as

Sun, 2014-04-27 21:15

 Yeah it doesn't take long as MM says as long as it's not too rough. Very rarely get bricked though, actually have only had it happen once on big ground down south. 

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5000! Congratulations Andy,

Sun, 2014-04-27 21:21

5000! Congratulations Andy, has been a superb knock lol

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Sun, 2014-04-27 21:23

 Something for you and I to aspire to!

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 Ha ha 5001

Sun, 2014-04-27 21:35

 Ha ha 5001

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 I generally get snapped off

Sun, 2014-04-27 21:22

 I generally get snapped off because I can't stop them quick enough even using 4 to 5 metres of leader....

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If you're

Sun, 2014-04-27 21:25

getting blown away regularly Randall it might be time to go heavier

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 Heavier than pe3 and 60lb

Sun, 2014-04-27 21:31

 Heavier than pe3 and 60lb fluoro?  Or just more skill required? 

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Depends

Sun, 2014-04-27 21:32

where the line is parting I guess?

 

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 Sounds heavy enough to me

Sun, 2014-04-27 21:39

 Sounds heavy enough to me Randall, I think you need to show less mercy. Where is the rig snapping? If at the join from leader to braid I'd be checking the tying procedure. Buuuut are you going to a heavier leader on your actual rig? I use nothing less than 200lb on my main rigs up north. 

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If it's calm and the fishing

Mon, 2014-04-28 15:23

If it's calm and the fishing not too hot!! Spiderhitch can be a quick alternative if a double is a must.

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since i learnt the FG from

Tue, 2014-04-29 22:28

since i learnt the FG from steveBW i have never tied a bimini twist the fg is a great knot i was hooked up for an hour and a half the other night and the knot held up no worries i dont burn or glue the end i finish it off with 5 turns through itself, then i cut the mono tag as short is i can so there is practicly none left hanging out

use this method 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52uWL43hUbw 

prety easy to tie on a boat much easier than a bimini

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 So who uses fg or any braid

Tue, 2014-04-29 23:42

 So who uses fg or any braid leader knot on a second trip? 

Who reties a new one b4 they head out.

Tried the FG a couple of times now first time was good but got lazy n the second trip out it slipped quite easily on a snag.

 

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I have a PR knot joining

Wed, 2014-04-30 13:42

I have a PR knot joining braid to leader and havent changed it in probably the last 10 trips and its still going strong. Also have my swivel attached to leader with a AG chain knot and havnt replaced that either. Just change the jig on the swivel.

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On my trolling rig I tied an

Wed, 2014-04-30 13:59

On my trolling rig I tied an FG knot ages ago. I originally had about 3 meters of leader but every time I changed lure I cut the end off and retied it so it slowly got shorter. Now it's down to only 30 cms of leader. It lasted many trips without slipping.

I think the key is to put the crosswraps on as tight as possible so they bite into the leader. I use this guys method which uses your fingers to keep tension on the braid while doing the crosswraps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GCH6i5L2I

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 As dtrain says keeping the

Wed, 2014-04-30 15:54

 As dtrain says keeping the braid weaving tight is the trick.  I wrap the braid around my right fore finger and thumb so I can unwind it as the knot progresses.  I hold the leader tightly with my left hand.  As I weave I use my teeth to grip the leader tag and pull down tightly on the woven braid after each wrap.  Do this 40 - 50 times before starting your half hitches.  My fg knots on my trolling rigs last forever.  My fg knots on my jigging outfits get replaced regularly only because like dtrain I am always re-tying jig heads.  I start with 4 - 5 metres of leader and then tie a new length when it gets down to about a metre.

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 40-50 that's more than the

Wed, 2014-04-30 21:34

 40-50 that's more than the Method I saw but makes sence more is better lol

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you dont need to do it 40 or

Fri, 2014-05-23 04:06

you dont need to do it 40 or 50 times i do about 15 then about 15 half hitches (roughly, i never really count) it never slips

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 The guys from big angry fush

Fri, 2014-05-23 15:20

 The guys from big angry fush have a good YouTube video of the fg knot if anyone is interested

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Recently started using the FG over

Fri, 2014-05-23 17:17

 the bimini, now would not go back..

Fg just sooooo much better through guides and doesnt pull like the bimini will sometimes.. etc.

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  Had to re- tie a few when

Fri, 2014-05-23 17:29

 

 Had to re- tie a few when using Flurocarbon leaders, tried sand papering the shine off the last inch or two and it's seems to work, also a bit of spit over the whole thing stops the braid getting cooked when burning the tag end

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 Never had to do either

Fri, 2014-05-23 20:49

 Never had to do either

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Fri, 2014-05-23 21:14

 Might help someone....

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Fri, 2014-05-23 21:20

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