fish prices
Submitted by Faulkner Family on Mon, 2010-08-23 20:52
With the talk of limits being reduced, what are the craziest prices you have seen for fresh or frozen fish.
A few i have seen Dhuie,$83p/kg, KG,$48p/kg. Shark bay whiting $44p/kg. Pink Snapper $42p/kg
All of them are so over priced.
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DhuBoi
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they need to be to reduce
they need to be to reduce the taking of such fish species , if people dont buy i they wont catch i as much ??
living is fishing
Buz
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Herring $28/kg down at
Herring $28/kg down at Freo
Pilchard(Mullies) for $20/kg, thought it would be cheaper to buy IQF ones at a tackle store to cook.
hlokk
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$20 will get you 4kg of
$20 will get you 4kg of IQF's :p.
Dont forget that lunds squid is supposed to be human edible quality (not sure if i'd eat it, especially as they still have their guts :p).
sea-kem
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HAHA was thinking the same
HAHA was thinking the same thing. We bought a heap back that we did'nt use at Gnaraloo, might be good on toast
Love the West!
Lucky Tim
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When I lived in SA I was
When I lived in SA I was pretty friendly with some fish processors so I'll give you a little run down of how the price of fish added up at the retailer, and will use KG's as the example:
The processor bought the whole KG's off the fisherman for $13 per kilo. A good filleter could get a 50% return on filleting whiting so their cost price for fillets is $26 a kilo. Add in their overheads and add a bit of profit and they probably pass it onto the fish retailers around the place for say low $30's. They then add on their overheads and a bit of profit and it's pretty easy to see why it retails for around $42 a kilo.
I don't know what the beach price for dhuies and the like are, or their fillet per weight percentage, but it is pretty easy to see how prices get right up there without anyone making a heap of cash.
By the way, the whiting fisherman probably average 20kg of King Geroge per day in Autumn/Winter, and maybe 10kg or so in Summer, so they aren't making a heap either when you take into account the cost of the boat and running expenses, fuel, license fees, paying a decky, gear, ice, days missed due to weather etc. I sure don't know many rich commercial fishermen.
roberta
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Hi Tim
the last I heard from the pro fesherman in Leeman his price for dhuie per fish was $15.00 kg and he drives to Perth to sell his catch at the Canningvale Markets, that price was last year, so could be more now. As he gets good price for all his fish as he spikes and straight into a very good ice slurry before transporting, has is own ice maker as well. He also has his own fish and chip shop, so if you order snapper or dhuie you sure get it and it is delicious hahahahah
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kane
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Ive always thought thought the overfishing problem simple....
it all comes back to the basics of supply and demand
1 reduce commercial fishermans quotas drastically
2 increase commercial fishermans price for fillets equally drastically to compensate
3 people pay alot more for fish - so what it is a delicassy after all, if you want to eat fish you have to either pay for it at a high rate or since theres now more fish in the ocean go catch yourself a feed of fish.
it seems logical to me, problem solvered
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Man Overboard
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$28 per kilo for
$28 per kilo for Herring.
Surely you jest
buschy
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Summer prices
After cleaning up a couple of times and bringing home about 5kg of herring after a few days fishing further north, I was wandering how much it would cost to buy. I recall seeing it for $2.99 a kilo somewhere - this was in summer. Hardly worth the petrol to drive up north :-)
Now to decide...a kilo of herring or 1.5kg of fresh tiger prawns? lol.
ody
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Hi Ya, Saw herring at
Hi Ya,
Saw herring at Mirrabooka Wednesday this week at about $20/kg. Was so shocked I went back to check.
Eyes nearly fell out of me head. Herring for goodness sake.
Cheers.
Buz
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No jest, was over a year
No jest, was over a year ago. Down at a very large fresh seafood company at Freo fishing harbour ;)
Marky
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The missus was complaining I
The missus was complaining I always go fishing.... So when at the shops next time we bought 2 fillets of Threadfin salmon. (only sml fillets too)...
Cost $24.00........ Now she lets me go fishing when ever I want....
That is alot of money for two sml fillet of fish.... convert that to sausages and chops on the bbq.... could feed the street.....
carnarvonite
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Prices
When I first started fishing as a pro we were getting $10kg for dhufish and $5kg for pink snapper back in 1974 and when I pulled out in 2005 dhufish were $10-$15 kg and pinkies $5-$7.5kg so one has to ask who makes the money. Cost have risen many times over but the price hasn't kept pace. Without improved technology being used to catch them it would have been a complete waste of time and money going fishing.
On a big dhuey the return when filletted is somewhere near 35% and pinkie 28-30%, with smaller fish this is even lower.
Tony Halliday
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you soo right mate,back 20
you soo right mate,
back 20 years ago a good pro could make a nice living without raping the stocks, today the boat owner has a hard job of covering costs and making a profit, unless he is Kalis sized and has after sales muscle.
I think we need to go back to basics with fish sales. Yes sell from the warf / jetty to the public.
All my life we bought fish from the boats as they came in, haggled with the captains and took home fresh cheap fish.
today I'm forced to buy via supermarket chain or fish monger who is under the middle-man control of a Kalis type distributor.
Why can't we buy direct from the fishermen any more?
They would get better prices and we would get cheaper fish!
http://www.sa-venues.com/things-to-do/westerncape/images/buy-fish-kalk-bay.jpg
http://www.southafricangeographic.com/resources/Kalkbay/kalk-bay-harbour-4g.jpg
http://www.nbntv.com.au/index.php/2010/08/14/protesting-fishermen-lash-out-at-greens/
ok here is my challenge too you all:
1, why should we NOT buy fish direct from the boats? And if we should, say why too!
2, why DON'T we have a fresh fish market in Freo or around Perth? or Jurien or bloody anywhere in the state?
3, would selling to the public direct cut out the middle men who are making silly money out of handling fish?
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Man Overboard
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Trouble is Tony, Kalis have
Trouble is Tony, Kalis have set up shops to create their own middle man, so to speak.
With Coles, Woolies etc being the other ones !
Whilst i am vhemenetly opposed to the trawlers that rape the ocean, i understand their frustrations with prices etc.
Surely fish farming is the way of the future.
Tony Halliday
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but still we can't buy fish
but still we can't buy fish direct from the supplier.
We can buy veggies and fruit from farm stalls,
but not fish from a boat!
I understand the need for slaughter houses in the meat trade, but with fish it is not needed.
So again why can't I go to a professional fisherman, who has a licence to fish and buy a fish from him and get a tax slip etc.... all legal sales!
??????
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
carnarvonite
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Buy
You can deal direct with a pro fisherman and get a receipt IF he owns the boat. Most times the skipper is working the boat for someone else and is bound to sell all the catch to the owner's nominated buyer. They will not take the risk of selling direct and the owner finding out and giving them the boot.
Tony Halliday
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you been in this industry a
you been in this industry a long time mate,
can you tell me why we cut out from buying at the docks?
besides the ownership issue?
I can't see how the public is not able to buy direct at may areas.
With the cost of food these days getting higher and higher, would people go to harbor and buy fresh fish straight from the boat at a good price? I would and have done so before for many years overseas.
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Dicey
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taxes taxes taxes is why.
taxes taxes taxes is why.
carnarvonite
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Money
It comes from investors buying the boats and licences and leasing them or putting skippers on them effectively forcing them to sell to nominated buyers. Same goes in the crayfish industry with large companies owning many boats and the skippers are forced to sell to one company and fish where they are told instead of staying put in one area for the whole season. This is the reason why most start from Freo, Mindiari, Two Rocks then once the whites start to run head up to Jurien or Cervantes and work their way back down out in the 60-90 fathom range.
Lucky Tim
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I can't speak for WA but in
I can't speak for WA but in SA fishermen were legally required to sell their catch to a licensed fish processor. They could, however purchase a "restricted processor license" which allowed them to sell to the public. Most couldn't be bothered but it did allow those who did to sell straight from the boat, or even process their own catch and sell direct to the fish outlets.
SA is different though as most of the commercial scalefish fishery is made up of owner/operators using trailer boats doing day trips so the bigger companies don't have the license/quota stronghold like Carnarvonite is talking about.
No reason why the restricted processor license wouldn't work here though, at least give the option to the fisherman who wants to set up and make a little more profit himself. I see it as a win win, the public get a cheaper product while the fisherman makes more profit by cutting out a set of hands or 2.
keef
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at my
at my work, dhu is $89.95 , coral trout $76.95, red emp $64.95 etc. i get 44% on dhu n we pay around $20 - $22 per kg for the whole fish.fish prices ARE ridiculous and unfortunately i dont think it will get any better.
limit your catch, dont catch your limit
roberta
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I can remember as a little
girl going down to the fishermans wharf in Freo (now turned into commercial ugliness) with my parents, listening to all the different languages spoken, the crowds of people coming down to buy fresh fish, mainly European it was a fantastic time, that still is in my memory bank, why not do it again, it was a great feeling, feeling of the community all there laughing, joking, haggling over the price. Think from memory thats why its still called fishermans market.
Agree Tony, why shouldn't the fisherman sell their catches straight to the public, it is donen in Europe and works very well along side nice fresh direct growers markets. My Dad always said cut out the middle man and prices will go down. The other one was, "you women are the best unions in the world, if you stop buying say meat/fish for a week or longer, watch the prices come down."
I for one am sick of these massive big companies taken over a certain market and then we the public have to pay through the nose for OUR resources.
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Tony Halliday
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so right Roberat. I have
so right Roberat.
I have memories of my grandmother when I was 4 or 5 around there haggling for best prices on fresh fish ( she was this massive old style German lady, and took no prisoners at the market lol), then off we'd go to get the veggies and fruit, then with her wicker cart-basket on wheels we'd catch the bus back home. I never went into a departmental store to buy food as a kid, they where the places the fancy folk went to buy clothes and stockings... we went there for a treat or two. We bought our food from the grower, catcher or butcher!
How sad our lives have become. No EXCUSE in saying our population is too big for markets, we just got lazy, greedy and stupid on rules. I still love the food markets in Europe and Asia when I'm overseas. Nothing like the freshness of soil still on the veggies and a fish still fresh from the catch. Cured ham's hanging next to some grumpy old Italian man that could turn your hair white with his stare, but everyone loved him for his bacon and sausage...lol.
where has our culture gone?
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
roberta
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So true Tony
it seems we are turning into our grand parents or parents, remembering what was when we were young and repeating "In my day," hahah Honestly think we could have both in this counry, we miss out so much of freshness straight from the grower. I had 20yrs in Melb., do miss the markets there, we just have commercialised markets like so called Freo markets. In the hills here in Perth they have nice little markets but so far to travel for as you say "smell the soil still on the veggies," so true Tony. Loved the Saturday markets in Monnikerdam when I visited my late fathers family, the Brie was like eating cream oozing everywhere, the smells of the cheeses, veggies, oh the flowers so cheap, memories thats all we have now memories hahahah
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Tony Halliday
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stop that!!! you have made
stop that!!! you have made me hungry now...lol
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)