Honda 4 Strokes
Submitted by Dale on Mon, 2010-01-25 18:56
Howdy all, well you all gave me some good feedback for a trailer so now I'm looking for some outboard motor feed back. I've been wanting to upgrade my motor for a while and I've been looking at the Honda BF60 at only 110kg's, it's very appealing. Anyone got something to say on this?
Cheers
Dale
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till
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Its a nice light 4st that is
Its a nice light 4st that is for sure, could be a good mix with the UB580!
Dale
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Yeah, although dropping down
Yeah, although dropping down by 15hp, it still shouldn't be a bad thing.
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PJAY
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dale i have the efi 60hp 4st
dale i have the efi 60hp 4st yammy......beautiful motor.....no probs. they come in a high thrust model as well.....maybe worth considering as well? I think all 4 strokes are pretty much of a muchness these days.
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Howdy PJ, Yeah that could be
Howdy PJ, Yeah that could be an option as they pretty well come in at the same weight.
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barneyboy
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If you are putting it on a ub580
personally I would go a bigger hp.
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
wide open
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its a honda
all hondas other 4 strokes are excellent but since this model has not been out to long i would be a bit worried if theres any undiscovered faults, is there any reason why you wouldnt like a yam F80 or F60, you cant go wrong with the yamis
PJAY
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dale i don't know muxh about
dale i don't know muxh about the ub or banana boats etc but are they designed to take a smaller hp motor?
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till
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Because of the fine entry,
Because of the fine entry, and the lack of beam, they do really well on fewer horses. There is a yank that does 30kn in his 22' with just a 60hp on it.
wazzbat
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What about a Mercury?
My Dad has a Mercury 75hp 4 stroke and it goes all right I reckon. We have never had a problem with it since we bought the boat in about 2001. It's on a 5.3m Trailcraft runabout and we get up to about 30 knots on open flat water I think. Might be worth considering if they're cheaper? He reckons he gets about 1 mile per litre which is pretty good too I thought.
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The merc 4st efi is 181kg,
The merc 4st efi is 181kg, the BF60 is only 110kg, even the 75 is 162kg.
Nelly
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I know yamaha have a 70hp 4
I know yamaha have a 70hp 4 stroke coming out around mid year they weight the same as there 60hp maybe have a look at them if you want a bit more power and low weight
Wreckless
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The Honda's are good
I dont have one but have mates with them and they are a good product; after sales service is great as well. I have Johnsons (Suzuki's) and they are good. Stay away from Yamaha; the motors are good but after sale service is crap. They will leave you out to rot if you have a problem - take it from me I have first hand experience.
Mick
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motors
quote "Stay away from Yamaha; the motors are good but after sale service is crap. They will leave you out to rot if you have a problem - take it from me I have first hand experience." surely you are joking???
reason #1 i have never had a problem with yammys
reason 2 knowing someone who ownes a boatyard and dealing with these outboards and other makes aswell he has first hand exp with after purchase sevise and i can tell you it is quik and painless and im sure he wouldnt deal with them if it was a problem and dissapointing customers fullstop. im sure if the yamaha's service was so crap the would no longer be the WORLDS most popular motor ...
brenz
Wreckless
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You are obviously a fan of the yamaha brand
Below is a query on another website from a disgruntled Yamaha customer that was ripped off by Yamaha. I aws in a simillar position a couple of years ago with a 250hp ob. Yamaha would not even give me parts at cost. When it blew I was 15nm out at night.
I went on the net to try and find out if any one else had probs with Yamaha and found a huge group of people including Sydney water taxi's who were planning a group action against Yamaha. In the end I gave up and sold the remains to Access Marine for 1k...not bad for a 3 yr old outboard.
Could you help with a small query?
We have a 1993 low hours Yamaha 175HP, which has always been well maintained. Recently, it suffered a powerhead failure, and on stripping the motor down we found it had a pitted crankshaft. A metallurgist examined the crank. His expert opinion is that the pitting was caused by faults in the original casting. Yamaha Australia have no alternative explanation, but refused to supply a replacement crankshaft, instead offering less than $200 discount on the part (the work will cost at least $3000.) We think that’s unfair, and are preparing a legal claim against that company.
Via the Internet, we found there are many cases of V6 Yamaha owners suffering apparently inexplicable powerhead failures. We sent out a few letters like this to powerboat dealers, and have been getting calls and e-mails from people, mainly commercial operators and dive companies, telling us about powerheads only lasting 200 hours, tops coming off pistons, and the like. Note that, so far, these comments have been about 93-99 outboards only, not the current series. Some of the feed-back is documented at the Yamaha Problems discussion site
(The URL is http://www.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=17;t=018757 but the ";" in the URL seems to upset the link syntax, so click on the "Yamaha Problems discussion site" link which works OK - TerryF)
and our thoughts are that what happened to us may be just the tip of the iceberg.
My question for you is, do you know of any Yamaha owners in your club, who’ve had unexplained powerhead or crankshaft failures? Did they lose a lot of money, through downtime and repairs? If so, they might care to join our suit against Yamaha Australia, if you’d be so kind as to let them know that it’s underway.
Any information supplied will be kept strictly confidential.
Thank you,
yours faithfully,
Andrew Hestelow
Managing Director
Stelco Pty Ltd
41 Braeside Street
Wahroonga NSW 2076
Australia
Phone : 029 963 0654
Wreckless
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I will quantify my last entry
My motor was a 2000 model; it blew in 2003 and it was a 2 stroke v6. The 4 stroke motors are much better than the 2 srokes and the problem seems to be confined to the v6's.
My main gripe is with the lack of concern for the customer by Yamaha motors. The remains of my ob power head were sent to Japan for inspection and no explanation was forthcoming, my calls were rejected and the parts never returned..
Mick
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As a prevous dealer for
As a prevous dealer for Yamaha's i can tell you we had a company (Pearl) up north in the hay day and they refused to put a spanner on the motors, we begged them to do so but sadly ever 200 hours we would sell them a new one. Was fantastic for about a year untill they started to service them ( mostly retensioning head and side bolts as they are a gasketed enigne.) Worst thing was they would then only trade them back at every 3000 hours after that. But hey it was great wilst the sun shone. SO i guess yeah if you don't service motors you'll have trouble.
No disrespect but you basing your crap service on the fact that they wouldn't replace a part on a motor that was at best 12 to 15 years old?????? Are you serous?
As for your engine failer you have not said was it due to water, oil, heat what was the reason your enigine failed?
Back to the original thread Dale i think power wise would be fine BUT i would like to see a high thrust because of the bigger cav plate and prop diamiter will give you better trim.. If that dosn't make sense let me know.
Shane O
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Tohatsu 55HP
I have recently got a 4.85m cabin cruiser with 55hp Tohatsu, don't know anything about them apart from the fact they are made in Japan. My motor is about a 95 model i think?
goes really well and gets me up to about 22 knots with a ski biscuit on the back.
i have had a 350 traveller with a 8 hp honda 4 stroke, the motor was way to haevy and very slow.....
wide open
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dont buy the mercury
we have a mercury 60hp fourstroke while the engines might be okay they could have been designed a bit better, things like the cowling is wobbly and water gets in, and after sales service was crap after it had problems,
why not get a honda 75hp?
if you go yami fourstroke you shoulndt have a problem, or what about suzuki they make light engines as well
Buz
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Happy with my Mercury/Mariners
Not saying that Mercury/Mariners are awesome(or saying they are crap) But i have a 2004 115hp 4st on 5.8m Ally and a 2002 40hp 4st on 4.1m Tinnie. Have had not one problem with either of them at all in the past, and i absolutly love them and would gladly buy another. Granted this means i have no idea what the service support network for Merc/Mariner is like because i have never had to use them. Have always had them serviced regulary so i hope this trend continues.
Of course i can imagine if i had ONE BAD experience with them i would probably bag them out and tell people not to go near them and forget all the years that they did serve me well. Or maybe i might just see it as sometimes machines go bust.
One the down side they are heavy motors for their hp.
But as to your question about Honda's, when both our motors were bought it was between Merc/Mariner and Honda. Merc/Marnier only won out because a family friend owned a boatyard and stocked them and gave us a reallllly good price. But i reckon Honda's are awesome too.
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yeah one bad experience and you hate them
my granda had a mercury 80hp for 20 years a long time ago and it was such a good engine thats why we decided to pick a mariner(same engine) 30hp for a tinny, once again a brilliant engine flawless and now serving as our auxilury which then lead us to buy a mercury 60hp fourstroke, now having problems with this getting towed 3 times you can imagine why we like the other brands a bit better but in the end it was a stupid mechanics installation mistake which caused it, now fixed we think its a brillaint engine but still honda and yamaha are biult better like on ours the cowlings wobbly etc
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We have never had a problem
We have never had a problem with our Mercury 75hp 4stroke. No loose cowling. No water in the engine etc. Ours is very quiet. Gets up and going quick for Wakeboarding etc. Sounds very smooth. Very reliable for us. I'm guessing it is about a 2000 model give or take a few years.
Oops. I keep calling it "our" boat and "we" and "us". It is actually my Dad's boat but I treat it like my own. I can use it whenever but I do chip in for services/gear etc. Gotta love it when you got family like that!
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yeah haha
its our grandads boat but we bought the egine and electronics
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yeah haha
its our grandads boat but we bought the egine and electronics
till
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The zuke 60 4st is 162kg,
The zuke 60 4st is 162kg, certainly no lightweight.
wide open
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even a DF90 is lighter than 162kg
i dont think youre right there as the website says the DF60a are 107kg, certainly lightweight
till
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http://www
http://www.suzukimarine.com/sr_09/df60-50-40/features/
Weight (Lbs): L (359)
wide open
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thats the old site
i got it from a different site which must be the new site
definetly lightweight
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wide opens right
thats the old suzuki site this is the new
http://www.hainessuzukimarine.com.au/adamsmith84
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honda bf 60
the bf 60 is oly lighter because it only 3 cylinders in which will create more engine wear (if thrashed) and reduce longevity i would recommend a yam 60 4str and its the same weight
have a look at it
http://www.yamaha-motor.com.au/products/marine-outboard/4-stroke-mid-power/10-f60chope this helps
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david
you dont have to worry about the engine wear, it wont be even noticible.
i would probably go yami purely because its been around longer and more proven than than the recently introduced honda BF60
adamsmith84
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i agree
the bf 60 has new technology which can have problems just as any new type of engine i wouldn't go for the bf 60 to soon because there might be some problems and in a 2 years or more honda would probalby introduce a better version of the bf 60 as it has already been done with the bf 40 and 50 i would go for a yamaha its been around for a while and is virtually faultless
iana
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Suzuki DF70 4 stroke.
I have a Suzuki I want to sell, it is unfortunately attached to a hull. The hull needs work, but would be OK for inshore trips. Contact me if interested.
Its not done enough hrs for its first service. Smooth, quiet and very economical.
I may strip the boat & trailer and sell as parts, or else buy the lot.
Regards
iana.
fisho-ron
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spot on wreckless
i have now a 98 200hp v6 saltwater series 2 which has also done a crank journal and therfore piston,rod bearings,bore and is toataly f***ed, i am replacing it with a brand new etec.
i spent a couple of weaks every night serching the net and also found a lot of the same probs with this engine, always the crank on number 3 or 4 journal.
before anyone asks it was not an oil issuse. it seems that once the engine sees more load it shits the crank in some cases
i would still buy yammy today as well but maybe not in that size as they seem to have problems and the 4 stroke was just to heavy and my boat requires the 200hp
so go the etec
Rod P
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When i was a dealer i would
When i was a dealer i would have sold ( the dealership ) close to 3000 motors over the time i worked there. Oh and before anyone says you only sold small motors Yamaha sent me and my wife to the states for a holiday as one year we sold more v4 and v6 motors than any other dealer in Australia. On my kids lives i can promise i could think of maybe 5 motors that failed due to manufactures failures were customers were left unhappy.
There were obviously other failures maybe 15 that i can think but all were fully replaced by yamaha. I even can think of motors that were up to 3 years out of warranty.
What i have seen is a hell of allot of miss managed repairers that should never have touched engines and if they do they'll never accept responsibility for there short comings. Allot of customers who have problems that swear black and blue they have there engines serviced but have no proof and the motors have clearly never been touched.
If as you say is true and the Cranks are pitted why not fail immediately?
Engine don't fail due to bad workmanship and if they do they generally will die very quickly. Engines fail because of , no oil, bad oil ( yes this happens all the time) heat, water ingestion, water either from air spray or fuel contaminated with water, over propping ( too much load) , leaning out by either split fuel hoses lettering in to much air, split oil hoses on block from lack of servicing, leaning out fuel problems caused by cavitation in fuel tanks or even holes in fuel tanks. The colouration of the effected parts, ie bearings, crank will tell you were to start?
Mechanics isn't a guessing game, trust me!
Rod P
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Sorry to harp on but just
Sorry to harp on but just for clarification. Pitting on the crank most likely caused due to water ingestion. Water from either bad fuel or air born spray. Water emulsifies and sits on crank causing pitting over time.
Water in fuel.
fisho-ron
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200 yammy
rod
i priced the yammy before any other engine as we were very happy to stick with it( as you know my prob was caused by other issuses) but the price was way out of our buget and the 4 stroke to heavy.
we had even looked at replacing it with the same but just a later year, but we couldnt go past having a new motor with a 5 year warranty.
so it came down to a opimax or the etec, we have gone with a new 200 etec as they are lighter (you also know i had troubles with weight) and had a very good feedback by all that owned them.
i will soon find out hey!
either way with any engine i am hoping for a large fuel/oil saving compared to my old carbied engine.
will let you know