It was only a matter of time

So.....

 

ever since the whole Bret Carter thing, me and my dive buddies have had to adjust our method of catching a bag of crays, and gauging/sorting/sharing our catch when we surface.

 

Today I went with a mate to a big horseshoe shaped ledge in the sand, where we can usually bag out on whites. Although the winds were milder than I thought there were going to be, it was extremely sloppy on top, and conditions on the bottom of this 15m deep spot were shiiiiiiiiithouse... I personally got flogged the fuckoutof, and I even got sucked into a small cave at one point. This spot is often full of just-legal crays, and we both did our best to measure our crays before we bagged them, and we both surfaced with our 8 each, and around a bit less than half a tank of air left each. At the boat, we did the final check on the crays, but ended up throwing 6 out of 16 back, due to 5 being just under size, and one was a tarspot. 

 

We decided to do another dive at a spot around 750m away, to top up our quota. We tonkered around a bit trying to line up the anchoring, and by the time my bud had tied the anchor off, I had my bc and tank on, and rolled over the side. Before the bubbles from my entry into the water had cleared, and even before I had a chance to stick my head up and do the “all ok” glance, a good 3m+ great white rushed in at me, before veering off around 1m away from my legs.

It quickly shot downwards, before I remembered I hadn’t switched my sharkshield on. As I bought my leg up to switch it on, the Shark reappeared very quickly from the other side, but bolted when the sharkshield turned on. I dumped my bc, and shot straight up over the gunnels into the boat. My mate was still gearing up when I came flying out of the water, and fell into the boat. I quickly informed him of “a fuckin white”, and he got a glance of it before it rolled away, not to be seen again.

Im all good. I’m no stranger to diving with sharks, but it’s the First white I’ve been in the water with. I’m pretty sure she meant business too, but I’m just lucky I had my shield, and the boat was right there.

I have since had a few beers, and the more I think about it, the more I realise that I am thoroughly pissed off at the fact we actually tried to do the right thing today, but had to spend more time in the water to try and top up our quota, just to appease the fuckin shit way fisheries are policing their interpretation of the law.


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Bugger that

Sun, 2017-11-19 19:18

Close call

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Glad your ok Scotto I guess

Sun, 2017-11-19 19:22

Glad your ok Scotto
I guess its only a matter of time before you have some kind of encounter in Perth waters
Makes you relise just how vulnerable you really are in the water.

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 Shit - too close for

Sun, 2017-11-19 19:27

 Shit - too close for comfort. I would be interested where you were. After 15 yrs out of the water, I  resurrected my Hookah, took my youngest (21) for his first dive.  Between point Peronand penguin in 5-7 mtr, in the water and yells did you so that break the surface. I looked around to see a big fin about 30 mtrs away.  luckily we just got in and jumped back in the boat, only to see the fin again. Couldn't be 100% sure that was a shark but there was only one fin at a time. We are telling ourselves it was a dolphin.

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Glad to hear you came out of the confrontation ok

Sun, 2017-11-19 19:28

Having that happen to you would really put the frighteners up you I guess.

Particularly when you say the visibility conditions where not the best plus one for the shark shield.

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Fark...........

Sun, 2017-11-19 19:28

 Used up my chance years ago had it circle from 

a distance.. mate shot a morwong thinking it

was a mulloway he wasn't very experienced 

it was dirty and overcast ! Then seen a mate putting 

in his boat squiding and sent a picture of a big bull

seal clean in half not far from where we spearing ..

had a swim other day got spooked. Gotta shake

that I always think they can smell fear?

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Fucking holy shit fuck!

Sun, 2017-11-19 19:37

Fucking holy shit fuck!

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 Farrrk scotto- glad you’re

Sun, 2017-11-19 19:42

 Farrrk scotto- glad you’re ok mate

Like you I wasn’t new to seeing sharks but a similar event to yours saw me stop diving a few years ago, I kept diving afterwards for a few more years but found I was thinking of nothing else the whole time I was in the water....took the enjoyment out of it for me, so I gave it away. I hope your scare doesn’t put you off mate!!!

Stats are in our favour, I had 20 plus years diving off perth under my belt before I had a close call with a white, and if I were still diving it’d probably be another 20 years...but I’m done..off perth and SW anyway....I still miss it!

i Know its all in my head as year before last the missus and I intentionally dived with a tiger off coral bay and I loved every minute of it...go figure!

 

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Well Scotto. You've basically

Sun, 2017-11-19 19:42

Well Scotto. You've basically just described my worst nightmare. Hope you're feeling alright mate and I'd suggest a pour or two of dark rum.

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 Bugger Scotto, close

Sun, 2017-11-19 19:51

 Bugger Scotto, close call...

Just lie to Fisheries, and (sadly) tell your kids also to either lie or exercise their right to not provide any information.

And do what you know is the safe, harmless to crays process we have always practiced.

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Sun, 2017-11-19 20:01

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 Fk that, definitely a close

Sun, 2017-11-19 20:02

 Fk that, definitely a close call... 

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Glad

Sun, 2017-11-19 20:06

 Glad you are ok mate, Maby we need fisheries themselves try and gauge crays in those conditions before they make up these rules. I would even put it to them, they are breaching duty of care by forcing divers to go through these steps while taking crays. 

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Thats it Grant , earlier in

Mon, 2017-11-20 09:40

Thats it Grant , earlier in the year I sent 3 seperate , long , involved emails to fisherys , all centred around safety and there ability to

put, or not put people in unnessary harm by a stroke of there  cray legistation pen.

There replys just simply stood the departments line and  the general lack of understanding and humanity stunk , thats were they lost me.

Glad your ok scotto ,,,,,,,,,,, as stated , when a diver is lost because of increased bottom time , or his distraction from safety trying to follow rules,

are fisherys going to be looking after the familys?

 

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Sun, 2017-11-19 20:18

 Jeeeezus Christ, glad your still around to talk about it. I had a time diving for crays near Carnac Island when something hit me in the hip. Turned out to be a seal trying to get my catch bag which was clipped to my belt. I shit myself for sure.

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good that your ok scotto

Sun, 2017-11-19 20:44

good that your ok scotto ..close as you want to get to one id say mate ..

but its a sad reflection on the way our oceans here have become so crowded with these buggers ...

they need to be thinned out imo ...

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 Doesn’t sound like a

Sun, 2017-11-19 20:52

 Doesn’t sound like a pleasant encounter. Sounds like a solid tick for the shark shield though.

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 Glad you are okay mate, like

Mon, 2017-11-20 08:06

 Glad you are okay mate, like others gave up on diving when you can't enjoy it because you are continually thinking of sharks. Bit of a long bow to blame fisheries though but I can understand your anger. 

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not really Tom,

Mon, 2017-11-20 09:50

yesterdays conditions were deceiving. the winds looked average, but doable, however the surge on the bottom was ridiculous, and was not what I had expected.

we honestly tried to gauge crays underwater, and I did my best to keep count, but yet I was 1 cray under bag limit, my bud was 1 over limit, and we both had (just) undersize crays. we both had half a tank each still to go, and could have kept catching a few more to compensate for the above, but we have both been trying to do the right thing, ie: by the fisheries book. I have cuts all over my ankles and head, from being smashed around into the reef.

it put us in a position where we had worked very fucking hard, for just over half our limit, and we wanted to make it worth us coming out.

I understand the dangers of doing what I do, and although I'm a bit shaken from yesterday, I'm still looking forward to my next dive, and I'll keep diving for as long as I can. I just wonder what would have happened if it were someone else without a shark shield, or the confidence to think and act under pressure.

it could have had a very different ending.

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hey scotto , bet that white

Mon, 2017-11-20 11:57

hey scotto , bet that white was thinking ''ID LIKE TO TAP THAT !!! LOL

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Get thrown of horse

Mon, 2017-11-20 16:58

Get straight back on it. Top was good ( vis). Bottom was sand storms crap last few meters. No different today neither. Plenty of hard whites on outer ledges.( ready to go). I actually put my sheild on today , first time

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Good attitude

Mon, 2017-11-20 17:26

 good attitude Scotto, glad to see this hasn’t put you off doing something you enjoy doing. 

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Doesn't sound like fun at

Mon, 2017-11-20 08:09

Doesn't sound like fun at all! Go buy a lotto ticket mate.  

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Fark!!

Mon, 2017-11-20 08:44

Not nice. Glad you're ok Scotto. 

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 Nuh! Nuh! Nuh! Nuh! Fuck

Mon, 2017-11-20 09:17

 Nuh! Nuh! Nuh! Nuh! Fuck that! Good to hear your ok and in well enough spirits to explain the ordeal. Id be curled in a ball sittin in the corner for a few days. Takes a balls to do what you guys do.

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Not good

Mon, 2017-11-20 10:12

For sure it's not good that you were menaced by bitey. Great that you are alive and well to tell the story.

Reading your story though, could it not have been true that you just dropped in on where the shark was for the second swim? I'm sure it didn't follow the boat knowing you had more quota to catch and waiting for you. Chances are if you had dropped in on that spot at that time for the first dive you would have had the same experience. 

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Shark shields a must and

Mon, 2017-11-20 12:05

Shark shields a must and lucky you seen it on the first pass!

Conditions on the bottom were shit yesty with 3-4m vis max.
I didnt even bother gauging on bottom yesty although have done the last few dives. ended with 7 and one going back...shells and soft whites everywere.

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Dayummm.  I have way too much

Mon, 2017-11-20 12:25

Dayummm.  I have way too much shark anxiety these days. Struggle to surf comfortably anymore. I' be finished for life if that happened.

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 Faark! scary shit mate!Glad

Mon, 2017-11-20 14:20

 Faark! scary shit mate!

Glad to hear the shark shield did the job but interesting that the shark veared away on it's first approach before the shark shield was turned on... I can see how they will work though. I was diving in the river for crabs last week and got a bit twisted up getting one crab and got the shark shield point blank in the side of the head.... It was VERY unpleasant indeed.

I just got back from a dive today and forgot to grab the bloody shark shield off the charger on the bench. After using it for the last year, I felt quite a bit nervious without it...

I think I'm going to turn mine on in the boat from now on after hearing that story...

Definately a lot of soft white crays around now...

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Pfftt

Mon, 2017-11-20 15:02

Probably that fish begging dolphin from Two Rocks came down for a visit Scotto.

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 Lol he head's up our way too

Mon, 2017-11-20 19:56

 Lol he head's up our way too for a day of bait scabbing.

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The end

Mon, 2017-11-20 15:07

 The end of the story was I got out the smokie and blew it away ??????

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Scotto, good that it had a

Mon, 2017-11-20 15:15

Scotto, good that it had a happy ending.
Far too many of the things out there for my liking, and something must be done IMO.
Thinking a second shark shield lowered down on a deco line is the go, set it 5 min before you start the dive.
I still think they follow the boats, sound of the motor.
They follow the cray boats for the old bait, this may have something to do with them coming to the boats... Just my thoughts.
Once again happy ending that could have ended bad..

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Dead right wal,

Mon, 2017-11-20 16:58

My exact thoughts were it probably heard me motoring around to find a suitable anchor spot, just like a potter motors around to find a suitable ledge to drop the pot. 

 

We we had only dropped the anchor about 2 mins before, and my thoughts are the shark probably thought I was a cray pot, rushed me, realised I wasn’t a pot, before veering off and then another look. 

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Murphy's Law

Mon, 2017-11-20 15:43

What ever can go wrong, will go wrong ... and from my experience, if you feel that you are unnescessarily doing something that you would generally not choose to do, but are compelled to by outside forces, that's when Murphy really likes to come to town.

Just out of curiousity, a question to all you divers regarding the rules ... just how the heck are you supposed to get back to the vessel, get on board, get enough gear off to be comfortable to then check all your catch and clip your keepers and return the others in less than 5 minutes? ... I'm not a diver (haven't got the balls or heart to experience what Scotto just did), but common sense tells me that 5 minutes is totally unrealistic (especially if no non-diver is onboard, readily available to immediately sort the catch). Even if you are only checking your own maximum catch of 8 crays (nevermind if you are sorting more than 8 for more than one license).

I would like to see a few divers, time themselves from the second they get back to the boat, to the second they finish processing their catch.
(NB: My apologies, if this question has already been hashed out in previous threads.)

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 Do what Bret did, hang the

Mon, 2017-11-20 17:27

 Do what Bret did, hang the bag off the ladder while you get out and sorted then lift bag out of the water

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I asked the question given

Mon, 2017-11-20 17:41

I asked the question given the wording of the rules;

"Divers should make all attempts to measure and count rock lobsters as accurately as possible in the water. Check each rock lobster as you catch it to determine if it is totally protected (see page 10). If totally protected, release it carefully and immediately, before another rock lobster is captured.
Fisheries Officers in normal circumstances allow five minutes from when a diver returns to the vessel for divers to sort, recheck for any totally protected lobster and tail clip their catch (see page 14), before undertaking their inspection.
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10 minutes I can understand and respect. 5 minutes is barely enough time for a diver to get out of the water and gear to start processing the catch.

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Mon, 2017-11-20 17:54

The Fish Resources Management Regulations 1995 state "... within 5 minutes of bringing the rock lobster to the boat ..." so hanging a catch bag off a ladder or any other boat attachment needs to be treated with a great deal of caution also.

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 I've been leaving the

Mon, 2017-11-20 18:37

 I've been leaving the Cylinder and BC in the water lately, I find it too hard to climb the ladder back onto the boat wearing it. I take all my other shit off as well and throw it in the motor well and pretty much just climb in with my catch bag around my waist.

I think even  though this Carter thing has put me off the fisheries, they would be pretty tough of any Fisheries officers to start counting a five minute count before you were actually on the boat. I'm taking "return to the boat" to mean actually on board....

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 Just as I had worked up the

Mon, 2017-11-20 15:53

 Just as I had worked up the courage to get back in the water for some cray dives this summer I read that... Glad you're OK. It's suprising to hear it came at you in that amount of time. Going to have to start jumping in with no air in the BCD, go down like an anchor! 

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 Fuck me you lucky

Mon, 2017-11-20 17:29

 Fuck me you lucky barstard!!! Stupid fucking rule. Hang up the bc and flippers! I bet you needed those beers 

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Out of no where last day before the ban in 40m

Mon, 2017-11-20 17:38

 I had a 3M + shark that I think was a bronzey come up from under the boat after I reeled in a snapper,  in less than a second I went from hanging over the side thinking "whats that shadow in the water" to holy fuck, it was big, fast, aggressive and give me the eyeball before disappearing, I can understand you being rattled.

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Blaming Fisheries?

Tue, 2017-11-21 16:29

 I would never wish ill on anyone, especially with regard to shark attacks, and although I haven’t been following things closely it does seem Fisheries are not handling this issue well.

However to blame for putting you in danger is, frankly, ludicrous.  

It’s like the guy I read about a little while ago (might have been on here) that said the boat limit of two dhufish was a safety issue because it forced people to go out solo more often (his “logic” was that the limit made it not worthwhile for 2 or more people to go out together).

I just don’t understand this thinking.

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Ok,

Tue, 2017-11-21 20:05

1). conditions below the surface were an absolute washing machine. 

 

2). We tried to count and size our crays underwater, although conditions meant this was extremely hard to do.

 

3). As per fisheries regulations, We stopped catching crays when we thought we had 8 each, and around half a tank of air left each (but we could have kept catching).

 

4). When we surfaced and final checked our crays, 6 out of 16 crays were undersized or tarspot. 

 

5). This put us in a position that we needed to do another dive, in order to try reach our quota, and make it worth our efforts.

 

6). It was at this fucking point, a fucking shark tried to fucking attack me. 

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 Point 6 you don't look like

Tue, 2017-11-21 20:10

 Point 6 you don't look like a cray pot  it new what it was doing very lucky i think. 

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 What location were you

Wed, 2017-11-22 12:21

 What location were you diving at m8? Glad ya safe.

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3 mile

Wed, 2017-11-22 14:04

inside edge of the 3 mile, almost straight out of Hillarys mate.

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There's a small seal colony

Wed, 2017-11-22 15:36

There's a small seal colony around there at Little Island. Fuck me, that's the last time I jump in the water there!!

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 dont reckon you would have

Thu, 2017-11-30 15:34

 dont reckon you would have had a problem surfacing with a couple extra... unless you were taking the piss, say like, with coming up with 44 crays in two bags between 3 people perhaps... 

 

... and if it was an absolute washing machine, that bad you cant put a gauge on a cray accurately and are that hard up you just had to go back down into said washing machine to top up to make it worthwhile... maybe just dont bother going in the first place

 

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Read the room mate....

Tue, 2017-11-21 20:29

If it wasn’t for fisheries new interpretation of what used to be a long standing practice of having time to measure/check catch in the boat, these guys would’ve been well on the way back to the ramp with their quota. Comparing a diver taking the risk, albeit calculated and of their own fruition,of unnecessarily reentering the water verses someone’s misguided ‘logic’ for dhu fishing is drawing a pretty long bow.

Glad the blokes were able to get home with nothing more than a puckered asshole and a good story!

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Here’s the flawed logic

Wed, 2017-11-22 06:10

 Bag and size limits = safety issue

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 not good about getting

Tue, 2017-11-21 17:55

 not good about getting buzzed and harrassed.  unfortunately we enter their domain knowing the risks . glad to hear your ok apart from a possible skid mark in the wetty. 

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 Scotto I bet that sheila who

Wed, 2017-11-22 13:13

 Scotto

 

I bet that sheila who was trying to protect the "chickens" is having a bit of a giggle....... :)

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 Hey Scotto,I myself have

Mon, 2017-11-27 21:02

 Hey Scotto,

I myself have recently ( 2 weeks ago) been buzzed by a white just off the back of 1 mile in 4.5m of water off Hillarys.

I'm not sure why Fisheries are copping it here though.You have 5 minutes to check your crays once you get back to the boat so you have plenty of time.

My concern is that you cant seem to go off Hillarys now to either Dive or to even pull pots without being harrassed by large bronzies and in your case ( and mine ) whites.

Were getting sharks follow up every pot we pull and see them almost every time were going out for a dive.

Ive been diving off Hillarys for the last 20 years racking around 200 dives a year and up until this season have only seen 2 sharks.This season I have seen dozens. 

I think there is a bigger issue that nobody has the answer for nor the balls to do anything about.

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Gday DM,

Mon, 2017-11-27 21:12

 the reason I’m having a dig at Fisheries, is because we used to try fill our bag best we could during a dive, which compensated for any undersize, unidentified tarspot, or if a dive buddy doesn’t get his limit. We’d then re-check the sizes and illegals, and sort the bag limits out on the boat.

 

Now we can’t surface with more than 8 each, and when you get conditions like we had the other week, we couldn’t even gauge them correctly underwater, and ended up throwing 30% of our catch back once we could triple check them on the boat. This put us in a position where we put fresh tanks on, and decided to do another dive to try top up our cray numbers. This is when I was buzzed by the shark. 

 

In in a nutshell, if we hadve been doing it as we always did, we wouldn’t have had to do a second dive. If I didn’t do a second dive, I wouldn’t have had a shark encounter. 

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Plain and simple

Tue, 2017-11-28 10:07

 Good on you scotto for being patient and trying ( unsuccessfully) to explain the logic of how the new changed rules can and will put

 divers at a increased risk that never excisted before.

 It has been explained by experienced divers on here many many times , and as far as I am concerned if some cant see it by now , they never will.

 Stuff Fisheries, why shouldnt the end users of the rule change and citizens of the state question the staus quo when its bad policy made by overzealous

 office bound managers and little generals overstepping there station to win a court case,,,,,,,,,,, , what are we , sheep?.

 

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Perhaps

Tue, 2017-11-28 10:37

 

Scotto, good to hear all is well, on this ocassion you encountered a shark on your second dive, you are blaming Fisheries for this, who would you have blamed if you encountered it on your first dive? certainly not the fisheries I would think.

As with most if not all shark encouters and attacks, sadly someone is in the wrong place at the wrong time, we dive by choice knwing that at any time something can go wrong and this includes shark encounters, do you wear a shark shield out of interest?

There are lots of contributors on this site who continually refer back to Phantoms case and issues with Fisheries, surely we can't blame the fisheries for your encounter, they can't know if a shark is going to be where you choose to dive unless of course it is tagged, do you check any of the shark sites before you dive?

You chose to do a second dive, we are all responsible for our choices

Just my thoughts

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Can be dead calm

Mon, 2017-11-27 21:46

On surface . No winds or swell. Down below can be storm. Many many divers better than me on site( moose, Rockpom) 2 that comes to mind right now. Ask them , Unless targeting jumbos almost impossible to guage effectively underwater . To many factors to consider. If scotto and fellow diver didn't have to do second dive. Encounter wouldn't have happened . Pretty simple in my books. Catch Crays sort on top . Throw excess back in. Anyone who says it's simple is full of crap. Been in water most my life. Never come across situation like phantoms case( Brett's). I've lost 2 gauges dicking around gauging them underwater. This isn't about potters vs divers. It's about people's safety. ALL OVER A WORD (TAKE). Could have been very bad outcome for scotto. Lucky very lucky. Fisheries coping it due to divers only being able to swim up with 8. ( once snared you have taken it) .Problem being divers trying to follow make beilieve rule , due to not wanting to loose boat or cop big fine. Some days can be done underwater others impossible. And no not having dig at fisheries, but if this crap over phantoms case wasn't there( in this example) it wouldn't have happened. ( shark encounter) Both divers would have come up with few extras to make sure. My bitch done for night . All good:). Also do more damage to Crays while gauging them underwater. Legs ect. Double handleing them. Snare ,bag ,easy simple

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Analogy

Tue, 2017-11-28 10:38

So I get a couple of mates together and we go out on my boat to pull our pots.  Conditions are pretty ordinary but we still think we are OK.  Pull the first three pots and we get 20 crays, but while gauging them on the boat we have to throw four back, so we have sixteen legal size crays.  Still short of our limit, so we decide to check the remaining pots.  However in the meantime the wind has picked up and so have the waves and whitecaps.  Conditions are now borderline unsafe, but we have to fill our bag to the limit, right?  Motor over to the fourth pot and grab the rope.  While manouevring to bring the pot up, which gets stuck momentarily, we take a wave over the transom.  One guy nearly falls overboard but manages to hang on, and the outboard was in danger of being swamped, but we are OK, so we decided to call it a day.

On the way home I start cursing Fisheries for putting my life in danger by forcing me to fill my bag limit, and not allowing me the safety of taking the entire haul back into Cockburn sound where I can anchor quietly and sort my catch.  They have a lot to answer for.

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No , see your point thou.

Tue, 2017-11-28 12:36

Once diving your committed . Never ever guaged wrong on boat . I wouldn't go out on boat diving or potting in rough conditions. my point is it can be dead flat ( wind and swell).underneith water can be sand storms and current. Safe to dive hard to gauge . Come up with 8 keepers ,only to find out you fu--ed up. If fisheries there who determines ( conditions) is there any leeway?

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Maybe don't dive?

Tue, 2017-11-28 15:01

If it's too hard to safely comply with the regs then maybe call it off and come back tomorrow?

My point is this - all the way through the entire process of going to dive for crays (or pulling pots or fishing or any other activity on the water) there are a series of self-check points about safety; at any time if a person is not comfortable with the risks they can stop.  Is my boat and safety gear in acceptable condition?  Is my diving equipment in safe condition?  Is the weather safe to go out in?  Is the weather safe to dive in?  Are conditions on the bottom safe for catching and measuring crays?  On top of that, there are risks associated with any activity.  Any time you dive off Perth, you know there is a risk that you will encounter a great white.

The OP was unhappy that Fisheries regulations put him in an unsafe situation, because he had to dive a second time "to top up our quota".  This was after he'd already encountered less than ideal conditions on the first dive where he "personally got flogged the fuckoutof, and I even got sucked into a small cave at one point".  Was that Fisheries fault as well?  

This is a voluntary, recreational activity, no-one is being pressured to catch crays, and at the end of the day the prize is what, a handful of crayfish?

 

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 I've also been on plenty of

Tue, 2017-11-28 19:04

 I've also been on plenty of dives where it's blowing it arse off on top LJ and as calm as an aquarium below. I guess the point is we all have the responsibility to make the choice whether it's safe to dive or not. You can't blame fisheries for your own choices. 

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Point taken

Tue, 2017-11-28 19:13

Not blaming them for shark encounter at all. It's about a rule that isn't clear in legislation . And yes we make are own decisions. Sometimes silly ones. All good . Wait and see next court case I suppose.

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Everyone’s gone mad

Tue, 2017-11-28 13:54

 i have been a diver and avid hunter of crays for a long time now, most expierienced divers will have an idea of whether a cray is legal or not as soon as they grab it from the loop, if you gauge it under the water and it is borderline put it back and grab the next one. I think people on here are going overboard on the bring back 8 to the boat thing and I don’t think any fisheries officer would bust you if you came back with 10 and gauged them within 5 minutes and returned excess to the water immediately however if you came back with 20 maybe that’s taking the piss. Sounds like the conditions were a little average on scottos dive and maybe the need to bag out was what put him in danger not the fisheries dept. glad you are ok scotto and still plan to dive. 

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Well said MB

Tue, 2017-11-28 14:20

Well said MB

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Wed, 2017-11-29 13:20

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Yep, well said marineboy

Thu, 2017-11-30 15:37

Very glad indeed that he is ok, however I don't think fisheries can be held responsible for the close shave.