Joining leader to braid
Submitted by jay_burgess on Sun, 2006-11-12 16:18
I've always used the albright for joining anything up to 80lb to 30lb braid main line (mostly barra fishing) and I've never had a problem with it. I'm not sure whether this would be suitable for heavier line. What kind of leader should I use for GT fishing and what knot should I use to join it (links with diagrams would be awesome).
Would you use the same for deep water jigging?
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For easy to tie knots Double
For easy to tie knots Double uni are more reliable than the albright imo. Your best bet is to google knots and rigs.. theres a million websites with diagrams etc with more info than youll ever want to know.
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GT knot
Can't explain it , have to show ya , ask Al to show you when your out on the boat .
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twisted leaders are great
twisted leaders are great for gt fishing.. well any fishing which involves lots of casting.. the loop to loop connection is pretty much completely flat so no annoying bang through your guides.
GT knot is also a great knot for single strand leaders as its quite flat.. its also probably the best knot for jigging too.. super strong...
i think you'll find a version of it on anglersproshop.com .. the version that Al bevan does is slightly different as he does a double over hand knot (double granny) which forms a figure 8 then feeds a bimini through and plats that around the leader...
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Double granny ???
All the one's I see Al do don't have the double granny .
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double granny
double granny may not be the right name... well its the name i give to any knot that isn't good enough for a real name..
what al's shown me was the make a loop and pass the tag through twice (kinda like a uni knot i guess if you didn't have the other end) and when u pull it it forms a figure 8...
Feral: they're very very strong... i use it on my light gear running 8lb braid and 10lb leader and its pretty hard to break... if anything does break its where the braid is back to single strand
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Thanks guys, might see what
Thanks guys, might see what the caranx boys have to say.
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Nealez
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i think it'd be a good thing
i think it'd be a good thing to have the guy's who can tie these knots like the GT, to do so on video and post it on the website for those of us that aren't based in perth... just a suggestion
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hmmm... good idea. but i
hmmm... good idea. but i think the video might confuse you further.. it just looks more complicated than it seems ;)
tell u guys what, i'll do up a diagram, gimme 5 minutes
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KOOL
KOOL ;)
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Kasey L.
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http://fishwrecked.com/node/4176?PHPSESSID=2dab0c7046863d3bcbdeeb6561972f79
i must say... it looks rather uninspired...
but i tried!
my interpretation of the GT knot as taught to me by allan bevan
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jay_burgess
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I drew a copy by hand KC
I drew a copy by hand KC (yes I have too much time on my hands), might be a bit easier for people to understand... scanner is being a nuisance at the moment though :x
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leader knots
i tried a few times doing the GT knots you describe here (and one from anglersproshop) , actually got good at it after a while. anyway has anyone done a strenth test on these knots ??
i only tied them with 4kg braid and 24kg leader (all i had in the office at the time) but both looked like they would travel through guides very well.
any info would be great as i might try them as a casting leader for salmon this easter.
for my boating gear i just use wind on leaders with a reverse cats paw join to double.
Kasey L.
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i've never had it break at
i've never had it break at the knot, ever; i have only ever had it undone twice in the time that i've been using it (admittenly very short, maybe only 1-2 years), but that might probably be because the person who tied it errored (wasnt me both times). both times this has occured, its because the figure-8 loop in the leader has opened for some reason. otherwise, the line snaps at the bimini (my biminis might need more practice =S)
in the times that i have run 'home' pull tests, it has broken at the bimini knot, where 1 strand begins to enter the knot, indicating the braid snaps before the knot gives way.
give them a try; the smooth transition makes it great for casting, and i suspect that might be why its called the 'GT knot'...
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what's the bimini
what's the bimini Kasey?
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Kasey L.
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its what you use to create a
its what you use to create a loop in the braid dude (aka bimini twist)
one of THE most important and widely used knot for me..
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lol it just get's more and
lol it just get's more and more complicated... so I should learn a bimini twist then eh?
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Feral
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leader knots
come on Jay i thought you would already know how to do a bimini twist :)
hehehe but yeah you should use a bimini for a double, but where most books tell you to do about 40 twists use 70+ with braid.
some ppl will say this is to many but in tests i have done the more wraps the better.
but keep your double short if ya casting as the double can open up along the rod and catch on a guide (very nasty with pe4 or 6)it is possible to twist a bimini so it stays closed but a very tiny amount of glue every few cm is easier when making them.
sorry if this confuses ya Jay
you can use wind on leaders for casting to but they are a little bulky most of the time. and bloody expensive.
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Nah I've never had any
Nah I've never had any reason to learn it until now Feral, I'm not sure what you're refering to as a 'double' though, is that what a bimini does (double the line making a loop??)..
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Aiiite
Your on it Jay. I've only recently started using the bimini, still a bit rough at it, never really needed it before but have started to get the hang of it, always used windons for game fishing but that little bit of extra insurance isn't a bad thing.. In saying that I have also seen the downside of bad bimini's too!
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Feral
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leader knots
yeah bimini can unravel if not done right but i find that more of a problem with heavy nylon. Jay just about any sport fishing knot book will show you how its done.or look on the net (your allways online) :). its supposed to be a 100% strenth way of making a double. might not actually be 100% but its about as close as you'll get without braiding a double and braiding takes forever.
if ya really lazy with ya doubles or in a hell of a hurry you can use a spider hitch (80% from memory) but really quick
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adam we both know my line
adam we both know my line broke it wasnt a knot slip, for once my knots did hold! haha Ive got the bimini down pat, and then use a knot i dont know the name off(heard about 5 names for it) to tie on the leader. Ill try dig up a pic.
Heres one i have used before, doesnt work with really light lines tho.
http://www.marinews.com/knot_rigs_detail.php?recordid=56&PHPSESSID=56b22d555da50c87f28c36d213c1a
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Knots
Do you guys reckon you would use a knots and rigging forum if I created one?
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I reckon that's a good idea
I reckon that's a good idea Adam.
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Nealez
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Just tried to tie the mid
Just tried to tie the mid knot off of anlger proshop looked pretty, but havent quite got it sussed yet but its the flattest knot ever!!
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Wet the Braid
Hey Guys,
Just before you tie your 70 turn Bimini twist, you can do one of two things...you can wet that section of Braid in a half full bucket of water.
Or you can tie the Bimini twist under water....my rather patient other half keeps tension on the line for me while I sit on the edge with my feet in the Bath, I have a pair of Reef walking shoes/half boots...I wear the right hand one in the bath for keeping tension on the loop of the Bimini twist.
I would describe this as tying your Bimini while submerged in coolant...no heat stress anywhere resulting in the strongest possible knot....
hmmm having thoughts of a Bath Tub with beer instead...to ensure lack of heat stress all round...
The way I figure it is, that first Bimini I tie at home before I go out, could probably end up being the strongest Bimini used that day... unless ofcourse you are game enough to lean over the side of the Boat, or even a large enough live bait tank, if you tie a hand tensioned Bimini twist....
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Knots
Dont know wether its any help to anyone but i use a triple palamar when tying braid to swivels. Just a thought.
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Three Lions
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Mid knot
http://www.fishingkaki.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=348159&sid=b5766565191f5951ef121d1693beb2a8 Jay this is the slimest knot you will find try it out. There is a video on the net somwhere i will find it, it shows you how to weave and keep tension at the same time.
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Gt/Mid Knot Video
This is the video i was on about, very low profile. The first lot of wraps are the most important.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qom1E-ihA&NR=1