i totally agree with you tony.

i paid alot of money to be let in this country on a skilled visa,

had to pass medical.

had to have 7 years job experience in my field.

had to have certain qualifications.

and so on. and it grates me to see this.

To see this happen is a disgrace, i feel that we are lucky, but in these peoples country violence and murder happens alot, so is more of an everyday life for them, and i beleive they can then sometimes (not always) bring their own culture into this country,

eg

lets just say in their country they carry a knife to protect themselves,wheres its acceptable , and  then say they were allowed into this country, maybe some of them would still carry a knife as that is what they are used to, i understand aussies/residents carry knives etc so please dont think im saying its only refugees/boat ppl etc.so then the knive culture then grows here, which is not what we want....

i could go on and on ..

but for these ppl that are rioting i think they should all be sent back to there own countries, end of. and then anyone else that thinks of rioting will not do it as it will harm there application.

very frustrating....

Yep, to come here through the front door is bloody hard and expensive. But turn up on the boat and you get free pass and all expenses paid.

 I think that they should take the gun from oliver hill on rotto and get them out of the country by force, sorry my it annoys me to!

those resposible get what they want.....now theyre a step closer to being let in as they have been shipped to the main land..lt just adds fuel to the fire, now the rest will follow suit and just riot to get in and they will be sent to darwin then release, they should be sent in the opposite direction, from where they came from.

Wait till Northam erupts. This stupid socialist goverment has let it get out of hand and they can't cope with the influx. What a joke actually it's not cause it's it's not funny. Do we really want these violent shits in our country? Even when you hear the stories of what goes on inside these centres when it's peacful would make your skin crawl.

I wasnt in this country when john howard was in power,so i dont really know alot about him, but at a glance of what ive read, i believe he had the right idea on boat ppl etc, some may call me racist, im not, if these were white people i'd say exactly the same thing.

We need skilled ppl, honest, non violent, hard workers, not rioter's like these after a free ride.

I dont blame this ppl coming here to better there lifes but the government lets them at our expense, F##cking julia.

They should put the ring leaders on a plane ,telling them they were going to the mainland to be settled.----mainland  Afganistan, Iraq, Iran where ever they came from.

what’s worse is this will make it even harder for legitimate immigration or even people seeking refuge to get in via the proper channels.

What would I need to do to get my family in???

put them on a flight to Indonesia and a boat to Christmas Islands, then they can break free and get in same as these turds!  It would cost me less than the close to $10,000 we have been quoted by an registered agent and told we have about a 30% chance of them getting in as they have no skills on the 457 list. Even though one is a pre-school teachers assistant and the other works as a baker, with her husband who is a good Trades Assistant in the carpentry field.

have had enough,these people are just the types we need here!!!!!!,they just revert back to type, and is that a type we want here???????

The pay $50 000

I have a  friend from sri lanka.? In Sri lanka you go to an agency,  you pay $50 000 and your on an illegal boat to australian waters. They garentee you entree.  Most customers are well off and of successful buisiness people who are fully established in there own countries, have a high qulity of life style and blow in for a good time. My friend says its easier and less time consuming than getting legitimate status.

He also said in northern sri lanka there is massive refugee camps where people are starving to death.

Yet another one of these threads. Of course, the only facts we need are from news articles right?

People complain about how hard it is to get in legitimately, while people get in illegally 'with a free pass'.

In 2006-2007, the total immigration was about 177,000 people. Theres only about 4000 boat people by comparison. Its not like Australia is letting in heaps of 'illegals' and no legitimate immigrants. By comparison there is some 50,000 people who overstay their visas. And of course our numbers are not even a drop in the ocean when it comes to the US or Europe.

Some 25% of people in Australia were born overseas.

Also, keep in mind just who these people are (or are supposed to be). Refugees are people who are forced to leave their homes. Consider places like Afghanistan, Iraq and Sudan. Not safe places for anyone to live. Its worth reading up just how bad these places are. Darfour isnt just a "not very nice place to live, i'd prefer to live elsewhere". Perhaps we should just throw them back where they came from. Who cares if their lives are under constant danger. Now, these boat people are classed as 'asylum seekers' which mean they come here then have their status checked. They arrive illegally (on boats into our waters), which is why they are detained until their status can be determined. Some 97% are found to be legitimate refugees. The ones that just want a nicer place to live are not legal refugees, and these people would have their applications rejected. Keep in mind this group makes up only a small percentage.

Due to delays, they can be detained (effectively imprisoned) for over 2 years. Have a read up on the conditions these people come from, what they've had to endure in their country, intermediary countries and also here. You'd probably be pretty pissed off too in their situation.

Though, just to clarify, I dont condone any of these recent actions at all. Dont misinterpret me as being sympathetic to rioters and arsonists. I'm just providing some of the views the mainstream media never seem to bother about (why do that when you can pander to xenophobia and sell more copies). The conditions on Christmas island, despite being pretty crap are still better than being in their home countries, and as such should really be a small price to pay for living somewhere like Australia. However, oppressed people are not usually the most calm and peaceful people for good reasons. While not really defendable, its a lot more understandable if you read more than the biases news articles that blow these things massively out of proportion (refering to the situation in general, not recent events).

Also, how about a question. Boat arrivals jumped up from a few hundred a year to several thousand a year when which PM was in power? Points for correct answers ;)

Anyways further reading for those inclined:   here.
Of course, I doubt most people will bother reading all this or the link, which is I guess why simple short news articles pandering to FUD seem to be more popular...

An alternate one here work reading: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/whos-afraid-of-4500-boatpeople/story-e6frg6zo-1225849056560

I think we should just advertise $50000 per person private flights from jakarta and cut the middle man out....

I don't know...but what I do know is there is a right way and a wrong way to do things...and the majority of informed aussies have had a gutful of this crap ...and it needs to be sorted...

My inlaws are living and have lived on CI since the 70's and my brother in law is in the AFP and from what i've been told they pay between 5k-10k usdollars to get on a boat. They said when howard was in, the boats that would come would be legitimate people seeking refuge but as soon as it was rudd in power they could almost see the boats lining up knowing the laws would be on there side....currently over the last week my inlaws have had there clothes stolen off the washing line and there fridge raided... not a good place to be right now, even though the fishing is pretty fkn good....

It totally sucks and I dont want these sorts of people living next door to me. (I used to live 2 doors down from some!)

 Hlokk what are the statistics on the amount of refugees on welfare in Australia?

 I just love how in the media they always potray it in a pro refugee light just to avoid any negative publicity and that seems to give the assumption most aussies are on the refugees side, I would love to see an austtralia wide anonymous vote on this. Thats my opinion and i know that there are legitimate refugees who actually deserve to be here as I have an old friend who was one and also work with a couple.

Ahh the biggest joke is people whine about boat people all the time, but more people come in via the airports and just overstay their visas. Its justa very small and very public way if getting here and provides a great beatup for allan jones and the like.

In a nut shell , pack em up and send them home. Come here through the right channels and haven't we enough out of work??

The problem is the Government of the day. Us hard working tax paying mugs keep voting the pricks in so we are getting our just deserts. Give them enought time in power and they will screw this country big time and then asusual back come the conservatives to sort the f*cking mess out. These unwanted que jumpers cost us $30000 each before they put a foot on one of our Navy boats yet after 5 years 70% of them are still sponging off the system.

The genuine refugee's are not on these boats they are in camps overseas waiting in the que.

ridiculous , i have family trying to migrate the right way and it is hard, seeing this is just absloute bullshit, send them back it would be cheaper than housing them all , sorry if it offends but c,mon,

Funny how the "other"correct way to seek refugee status oversees based United Nations refugee camps are of a lot lower status in services and accomodation plus a lot longer waiting times to be eligable but,... there are NO riots, No demonstrations, No Break outs etc,etc.

At least your subject to security checks etc if you come thru airports.

I reckon give Christmas island to Indonesia haha!

I agree Jim, do we really need an island made of bird shit in the middle of nowhere. Give it to indonesia, at least then it would be cheap to fly there for fishing trips .

For your imfo "Till" there is "Currently" 604.800 out of work or looking for employment  so it's simple send them back.

Yeah, and if those 604800 people were employed, inflation would skyrocket and you be complaining about that instead.

All boat arrivals are sent to the UN refugee camps in Malaysia or Thailand immediately, and on the same plane on the way back we take the same number of refugees from the UN camp who have been waiting on the list.  These will be ones that have already been checked as being genuinely in need and who can contribute to our society in a peaceful and valuable manner.  No further boats will arrive, and perhaps we increase our intake from the camps a bit to encourage the UN to accept this.  Simple?

i heard of a great solution from a bloke ringing up the radio the other day, GIVE CHRISTMAS ISLAND BACK TO THE INDONESIANS. and all the aussies living over there (about 800) give them a million bucks and bring them back to aus, which in the long term would be cheaper than upgrading places and building new detention centres. the island is 350kms from indo and aus mainland is 1800kms from the same spot in indo, so if they make it that far in their shit house boats then good on em!

sincerely rob

Another boat load just in Grreaaattt. I see it was reported that the rioting shit heels beat up the ones who wouldn't participate. what outstanding citizens they will make when they gain entry.

By the way don't just have a go at me give all the others a blast that have a similar opinion.

Have you watched the news, burning, rioting, vandalism and so on. Try that in their country and see how you get on.

Amen.

Its like them stickers I'm seeing on the back of people's cars at the moment..."F$!@ off, we're full"...if there was a genuine case against the current policy's toward boatpeople, thats not really helping...

its not just the fact we have low unemployment

but these people when and if they work will work for very little

i met a gyprock flusher the other day he is getting $9 per hour and he was from iran came on a boat

how can i compeat wth that im looking at  $90per hour to just live and pay my bills

this will drop our standard of living i dont want to live in a shanty shit shack eating out of tins like they do

they must be stopped and get to the back of the line

haha i work for myself i dont get paid for every hour i put in

and no holidays ect

i could go on and on about the costs of insurance consumables ect but if you have never done it you will never understand

The point is that these are radical violent individuals who should be sent back to send a message to the rest of them.I understand there are genuine refugees there are a few at my boys school who assimilate quite well. And don't underestimate them ( the rioters) they are quite savvy as well.I am definately not of the f$% off were full brigade just a realist.

I think everyone would agree, this is a totally unacceptable situation and behaviour like that should not be tolerated in Australia, full stop.

It's when the issue gets hijacked by the ill informed or down right rascist minority that all our arguments lose credibility.

We don't need reasons why they shouldn't be let in, this situation speaks for itself.

Immigration isn't a bad thing, hell check your bloodlines. But these idiots are not wanted here, not because they're 'boatpeople', but because they're idiots who can now call themselves criminals.

I can fully understand why any of these 'boatpeople' want to come here, but whats incomprehensible is the way this mob have acted. Names and fingerprints, and an international database to let any country that is considering these people as refugee's know what type of persons these people really are. Act like an animal, die like an animal...in your war torn country, with no one to blame but yourselve's.

The instant these tools act in this fashion they should be handed over to the Governments they tried escaping from. See how much rioting and destroying they do then. 

Think you've just hit the nail on the head mannablue..... now can we all go and bloody fish

 indeed!

ship em all back , they are useless , totally agree with your thread tony , shitty labor government ,

You're wasting your time hlokk, most of them aren't interested in facts. They would rather believe journalists and politicians.

I can't believe so many of you have such bigoted attitudes towards refugees in our country. Theres only 4000 of them per year for gods sake.

I agree that rioting and violence is not the right way but why let the actions of a few tarnish them all.

What makes it your right to get your family in but block entrance to refugess, considering your rellies are probably from countries that have reasonable living standards and have no real reason to leave their homelands but for want of  a seachange.

Many of these ppl arriving on boats are in dire need of refugee status and assistance, and some are probably doctors and engineers etc. The rest of the world take in their fair share, why shouldn't we.

Too much of this f*ck off were full attitude amongst a lot of you

dbl  pst

Let me explain,

Today I'm working for an Asian friend and have done for years and will continue to do so.

Some years back I did some work for another Asian, who became a friend as he overpaid me and I pointed that out to him.

last year I went shooting with some RSA's , had a ball and still do.

I'm married to a great lady, part Italian and have heaps of Italian friends.

Oh I nearly forgot, have heaps of Indigenous mates as well, with unlimited access to some awsome billabongs.

It's just that these Ragheds are not on my list.

I'm going fishing.

enough taxi drivers don't we??

Ragheads?

What? Ha ha ha....

Some times commenting is just a waste of time! Think I'll save my breath.

This threads going mental!

And this is xenophobic bullshit, so not that much difference.

Come on admin, there's young fella's on this site too, I thought rascist and derogatory comments weren't kosha on here?

Unfortunately I think a valid topic has been hijacked.

I could understand the namecalling and insults from schoolkids, but grown men?

This is what I meant when I said "when the issue gets hijacked by the ill informed or downright rascist minority that our argument loses credibility".

The worst part is, we're actually all on the same side. No one wants to see this happening. But with them comments coming from the our side of the argument, who's going to listen?

A few of you have made the point that our heratige is of ethnic origins.... very true. But those ethnics and even the Viets didn't bring the sort of violence these heels are serving up. And as I said before for them to attack fellow refugees shows what kind of scum they are. I do not have a problem with refugees. I have a problem with shitheads who will have nothing to offer our country when they get in and they will get in.

I'm with mannablue with this one, cant see anymore getting there point across in this thread anymore. Lock it up..

lets go fishing, every1 has their own opinion, some wont agree, thats life, lets get back to what were good at... fishing, well im not that good at it tho ha... be lucky ppl.

hahaha, i'm trying to get better at it!

if there burning the place down and attacking police and they come from a violent back ground do you really think they will abide by our laws?? i think not!! the people who have gone on a riot should be shot that is our hard earned taxes they are burning and what does the government do refurbishes the place those camps are like five star hotels with a fence around them! we should be putting them in jails like we used to have brick walls a sink and bars untill they have some idea of who they are and where they are from how do we now there not coming here with plans to get in and blow our country up!

Again, people regurgitating rubbish they virtually know nothing about.

Not many people doing their own research on this.

Tony, some questions.

What if, say the 'developed' countries decided that their was enough oil in South Africa and decided to blow the shit of the place for a few years, occupy it a few years more while blowing up and shooting it's residents and you sister decided to leave?

What if your sister thought, I'll take my family away to one of those countries are destroying my home, we'll be safe there and went to see a guy with a boat who lives up road and has prmised her entry to one said 'developed' countries for a decent price?

What if they made it to Christmas island on the boat and were locked into a detention centre like the one that hlokk has posted above with no means of release and no knowledge of when her visa will be processed?

What if your sister started to get a bit pissed off with her treatment and thought she had been in their too long and when asked still got no answer about her visa, she still didn't know whether she was going back to the country that was tearing itself apart with our help?

Would your blood be boiling then?

I bet it would, but not for the same reasons as now.

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