Nanygai Demersal Scale Fish or Not.
Submitted by Howard George on Thu, 2013-01-31 19:09
Nathan Harrison from Fisheries was on ABC local today discussing the new laws that come in tomorrow and the question came up about Red Bight Fish.You will notice on the South Coast you're allowed 8 Nany's along with a mixed bag of 5 demersals and Pelagics. Now I've always thought of nanygai's as being demersal scale fish so when the closure is on in the West Coast Bio-Region I've never bothered to target them but apparently fisheries have a different opinion. There is some good ground in the Capes region that have some good nanygai habitat so maybe worth a go next closure. What do you other fishers think.
Faulkner Family
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interesting to see that .
interesting to see that . good news for the south west fisho's.
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squidder
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Interesting radio broadcast
this morning, but I still can't get my head around the "Excessive" bag limits allowed in the Sthn region.
Augusta is currently having a marina built which will cater for large craft that will be able to access the Sthn waters east of Black point, a great asset no doubt to Augusta and users alike, but the problem is boaters will be leaving the WC zone, fishing the south coast zone.
Which bag/boat limit will they bring home.
Lastly, there has been NO research done on fish stocks in the Sthn zone, so how does the FD come up with the limits.
Daniel Y
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"Lastly, there has been NO
"Lastly, there has been NO research done on fish stocks in the Sthn zone, so how does the FD come up with the limits."
What on earth do you base this statement on? Because it's completley untrue..
squidder
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Research
on rec fishers has been nil to date Daniel Y.
The only data the FD have is from Comercial catch records and most of that is hear say considering a lot of the fish gets offloaded on the way home, you go figure.
crasny1
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The bag limit applies in the port
you land the fish in. Also the possession limit. Even though you left Augusta, travelled outside the bioregion, once you return into that bioregion their rules apply.
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MattMiller
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I would definatly
Be seeking clarification on this.
I'm with you with Night Redfish/Swallowtail/Nannygai being demersal scalefish. I'd be highly surprised if they weren't.
Be bloody good though!
grayzeee
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Just looking in the new rules
Just looking in the new rules booklet now.
South coasters are allowed 8 bight redfish AND 8 swallowtail AND their mixed limit of 5 other demersals. Lucky beggars
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
grantarctic1
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Yeah
Yeah , thats the way i read the regs too, Seems like a lot compared to the West Coast bag limits. That meens 16 red fish +5 demersals in the SW region.
Another fish that consistantly bothers me is the Breaksea cod , I dont mind the bag limit but it should be classed as a near shore finfish and be seperate from Demersals IMO .
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One that bothers me Grant is
One that bothers me Grant is no minimum size limit on Foxfish. They are in the demersal bag limit, slow growing but with no size applicable?? figure that one.
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Faulkner Family
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looks like there will be
looks like there will be fisho's travelling 3 hours south rather than 13 hours north.
makes you wonder how they come up with the limits like this with no real studdies on the area and fish stocks
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Howard George
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Strange Indeed FF
I understand that some funding has been set aside to do some research on the South Coast but how far along it is I don't know. The locals down that way were complaining about deminishing fish stocks and wanted to ban demersal gill nets pro's from operating but got no support from the minister and now this. As I said ,very strange indeed.
squidder
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Ten yrs
back I asked some people I know in research about doing a study on Dhuys and pinkys from around the DonnellyBanks to see if they had any genetical matches on fish caught up in Geo Bay.
I had a theory that just maybe the current that travels from sth to nth may bring some of these beggers up our way to grow up, funnily enough the research guys said the FD had said there was no need.
Seaquest
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It clearly states in the regs
It clearly states in the regs that red blight fish are a demersal finfish (page 11). As much as I would like this to be true someone has got there wires crossed.
"The take or landing of demersal finfish (listed on pages 6 – 11) is prohibited within the West Coast Bioregion (north of Kalbarri to east of Augusta) during this period. If you catch a demersal finfish from a boat or from shore in this area during the closed season you must return it to the water as soon as possible."
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straight from the book ,not that hard to understand
(continued)
TOTAL mixed species
daily bag limit per fisher
daily bag limit
2 5 Individual speciesSpecies Minimum legal size
Coast
Other
bioregions
WestTrevalla
Family Centrolophidae
(Pictured: Blue-eyed trevalla)
N/A 2 3
Redfish
* (Bight redfish – pictured, andswallowtail
Family Berycidae
)300 mm
#
Except for the South Coast where you may take8
daily bag limit of
Bight redfish and 8 swallowtail, PLUS mixed5 other demersal finfish.2 N/A
#Pearl perch
Glaucosoma
hebraicum
spp. (other than Glaucosoma– West Australian dhufish)N/A 2 3
Pink snapper
*Pagrus auratus
Additional rules apply – see p.40 for
details
410 mm
West Coast Bioregion only; south of 31˚S
latitude (just north of Lancelin):
2 3
500 mmInner gulfs of Shark Bay:
Min. 500 mm, max. 700 mm
N/A 2
Tropical snappers
and sea perch*Family Lutjanidae
All species including
red emperor (top),crimson sea perch, scarlet sea perch, ruby
snapper
(middle) and goldband (bottom)except
seaperch
fingermark, mangrove jack, stripeyRed emperor:
Western blue groper
410 mm 2 3Achoerodus gouldii
500 mm 1 1
*
See p.4 for an explanation of how bag limits apply to groups of species. Note: If fishingWest
Coast
Other
bioregions
Demersal finfish –
bag and size limits
Howard George
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Daily Bag Limits Scottnofish
The daily bag limits on the Southcoast for demersals according to the new regs.is 5 but if you accept that the Red Bight Fish is a demersal it is actually 13 which to me seems over the top if you compare it to the West Coast Bio-Region. Perhaps the new Regs should read that the daily bag limit is 13 of which 8 must be Red Bight Fish.
grayzeee
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1 south coast licence holder
1 south coast licence holder is allowed to take (example)
1 dhu
2 pinkies
2 baldies
8 bight reds
8 swallowtail
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Howard George
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That's even worse grayzeee
Now you're telling me that the daily bag limit is 21 for demersals grayzeee.
till
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Good luck getting baldies
Good luck getting baldies down there - try blue snappers!
scottnot
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Nannygai being demersal
i thught that Nannygai is being demersal
Willlo
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Different ocean,less
Different ocean,less population,different set of rules
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grayzeee
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They must see BR and ST as
They must see BR and ST as being prolific but it def does seem excessive.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
squidder
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Baldies
have been caught east of Albany, and last year when I fished off Windy the water was 24.5 everywhere we went.
Even some Macks were landed..Tuna everywhere.
woody
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Willo has it in one...diff
Willo has it in one...diff ocean, way less population... so rules should be different. Nannies are a very common school fish down here and rated highly....there would be a lot of gutted fishos if they dropped the limit below 8.
New rules are fine by me
Belly Fish
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Nannygai
Of course veryone is aware that Nannygai is a colloqial name given to a number of Red Bightfish....true Nannygai are not caught in WA waters. We get Swallowtail, Red Snapper and Yellow-eyed Red Snapper
squidder
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Seeing there is less
population down there as you say Woody/Willo, maybe all the comercial effort should be down that neck of the woods to even things up, JAT
Willlo
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Squid thats a whole new
Squid thats a whole new thread mate,i reckon the nets should be banned everywhere anyway.I dont live down that way but was just offering up a reason as to why fisheries have that bag limit for the south.Its different for the north as well,metro are lucky they dont have the pro's to contend with as we do here but thats a whole different subject as well.
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sea-kem
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I see the new rules are less
I see the new rules are less confusing ;) Farkenell
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squidder
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New Rules
are easy to follow, obeying them is hard for some.
The WC zone is easy, catch far call coz the bag limit is small, home early
The sthn zone is great, catch shite loads, enough for all your mates.
On the subject of rules......a couple of yella fellas apparently got caught with 1200 Abs in the sth and their mates got nabbed with lots n lots of crabs, all sizes in the Peel
scottnot
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rules
the new rules are pretty good and prettywell understandable so see how they go
twicther
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What rules ?
Squidder, are the " traditional carers of our land " allowed to blatantly overfish for their families or do they abide by the sustainable rules set down by the goverment of the day ? To my knowledge if you can justify you heritage then no rules apply at all. Question is for all by the way.
marrisy
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traditional?
My son in law is aboridginal, and my grand daughter loves fishing, so looked the laws up via the internet. Go to www.fish.wa.gov.au It is all there. They DO have to abide by the normal rules, other than the area they originaly come from. My son in law is Coorie from the easters states, an was telling me he therefor doesn't have the right to go anywhere in the west, but is entitled to free licences.
Marrisy.
Dale
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I'll settle for
I'll settle for 8 Nannies any day over dhuies n stuff. Love them Nannies
Cheers
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Howard George
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The Balls Grabber
Also on the same radio interview it was mentioned that while in the Southern zone we're allowed to have in our possession at any one time two daily bag limits but once leaving are allowed only ten kilo's of fillets as per the new regs. the reason given was that if pulled over by fisheries in The West Coast zone with the daily bag limits of the Southern zone fisheries would have difficulty proving it one way or the other. To me the solution is simple, just have the same bag limits in all zones.
squidder
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I thought
the Abrolhos Islands had the Ten kilo fillet limit, elsewhere has Twenty Kilo, I thought??.
Howard George
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Local Paper Squidder
I've got an article in the local paper this Friday regarding it Squidder and we'll see what Nathan Harrison comes up with.