Noob rigs
Hi all. Completely new to jigging and setting up my first outfit. The rod & reel will be used for bait fishing as well, so was going to run the 30lb braid to a snap swivel (as I do with all my bait rigs) and then run a 30 lb fluro leader to the jig (60g Black Magic) Any suggestions on the leader length, was going to run around 1m?
I've read on here to stay away from snap swivels due to the stresses of the jigging action, but want to know if this is absolutely necessary with light weight jigs?
I did invest in some split rings and pliers just in case, but preference is still to run a snap swivel.
Also for spooling the reel with braid, was planning on running a few laps of self amalgamating rubber tape (thick sticky rubber) around the spool first so the braid doesn't slip, will this work OK or should I definitely run a mono backing? Again, happy to spend the extra on the mono if it's really necessary, but figure 300 yards of braid will be more than enough for my shallow water fishing, should cover anything I'm likely to encounter? Spool (Penn Spinfisher 650) should hold around 450 metres of 30lb braid according to the manufacturer.
Thanks all, appreciate any advice/suggestions, complete novice when it comes to this style of fishing, looking forward to testing out the new kit. Also have a Jurien charter booked for middle of March, might take the new outfit along for a try out, would be nice for it to get a Dhu under it's belt early in life!
Cheers,
BD.
EDIT: added a photo of the knot that I would normally use to tie mono to terminal tackle, no idea what it is called but has been pretty reliable, and very easy to tie. Any ideas what knot this is, and will it stand up to a small sambo?
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beau
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I had trouble when I first
I had trouble when I first started using braid and was tying it straight to a swivel, the braid snapped nearly every time I struck for a fish, took me a couple weeks before I realised that the leader acts as a shock absorber and stretches
cudbfishn
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If you didnt want to learn
If you didnt want to learn the knots you use to join braid to mono id be at least using a swivel, not a snap. You will only lise 1 good fish with a snap and vow never to use them again, as i did. Id be putting on some backing so the braid fills the spool so its not underspooled. Good luck in jurien!!!!
Browndog
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Thanks guys
Thanks fellas, appreciate the comments. What knot would you suggest braid to fluro, happy to give that a crack, but will take a while to get to the stage where I'm happy to tie them out on the boat. I guess the sooner I start, the sooner that day will be!
Are there any issues (Tangles?) with having the reel underspooled? Or just that I have more line capacity, so should be using it?
Sorry for all the dumb noob questions.
BD.
lrp1
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The self amalgamating rubber
The self amalgamating rubber tape should definitely stop you from having problems with the braid slipping on the spool, but 300 yards of 30lb braid will not fill the spool. Not sure how much a partially filled spool impacts jigging, but certainly not what you want for casting. Mono as backing also performs the function of taking up space on the spool. Also, for me it has proven very worthwhile to tie a couple rod lengths of mono to the end of the braid, then tie the swivel, snap swivel, whatever to the mono. Maybe I'm not talented in tying braid to metal bits or maybe it was knot selection, but I had a few unexpected breaks when I started using braid before I added the mono, and since switching I have had good results. The uni-uni braid-mono connection isn't the best possible connection, but it is super easy and actually works quite well, at least in lighter line.
Browndog
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Thanks
Thanks Lrp1, now that you mention it, whenever I have had a knot failure, it's been braid to swivel/lure/hook/whatever, so makes sense to learn a new knot and then tie the braid to mono/fluro and then down to the jig. I guess then you can also run a much longer leader (shock absorber) as you don't have the issue of the swivel not fitting past the guides. I won't be casting with this outfit, just bottom bouncing with bait or jigging, but I guess it makes sense to run with a mono backing now, rather than regret not having done it down the track.
It's all starting to make sense, off to visit the "Knots" section now. Cheers.
BD
chookc
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best to use the fg or pr knott
I run a good 3 + meters of fluro leader on my jig setups. gives me more than enough fluro that I don't have to retie on the boat if I need to cut of some chaffed leader...
The knots take some practice but never had one fail yet...
Lamby
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I put an albright in the
I put an albright in the braid straight to wind on leader then straight onto your solid ring for the jig (no phucking about, no weak points), if I get busted off new leader on quick smart.
Knot straight to the swivel of your bait rig if needed, piece of piss
Browndog
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Cheers Lamby
What knot do you use to tie the leader to the solid ring on your jig? I don't know the names of the two main knots I use, so can't tell you what they are, but I just googled the bimini twist and it isn't that, looks like I need to go to knot school for a bit.
Thanks.
BD
cudbfishn
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First knot you should learn
First knot you should learn in braid is the bimini twist. After a bit of practice is very easy and only takes a minuite. There learn the yucatan knot. its the easiest way to connect the mono the the braid, a better knot is the gt knot. More advanced knots are the pr or fg knot.
Browndog
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Thanks
Looks like I need to book a few hours on you tube with some braid, mono, scissors and NO BEER :(
catchalittle
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or cheat and buy some wind on
or cheat and buy some wind on leaders
Nathan
Browndog
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Thanks C.A.L.
Can you explain the whole "wind on leader" thing to me? Have seen them but never really knew the purpose/advantage?
Lamby
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Sheet, bimini twist my error
Sheet, bimini twist my error in a quick reply not albright
Love the old slipknot, never had it give way on a rig
Brad Y
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Yep bimini then either an
Yep bimini then either an albright or wind on leader.
Wind on leaders are a standard piece of leader that has a dacron loop fixed to one end. Simply loop the loop connection onto the bimini and your sorted. If your after some, maybe try sending Wind-on Dave (a member on here) a message and he might be able to sort you out.
Fish for thrills....
Browndog
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Thanks Brad
Will have to learn the bimini & allbright, seems they are the go to knots for this. I added a photo of the normal terminal knot I've been using for bait fishing with no issues, I have no idea what it's called but very simple & effective. Hopefully have some time later this week to try out the new knots, it's killing me having new toys and all my gear is hours away! At least I'm not missing out on great weather, looks breezy for a while. Once I've got my tacklebox and some lines to practice on will get things sorted.
Gotta say, I love being able to jump online and get a bunch of quick responses and advice. Big thumbs up to the FW crew.
BD.
Lamby
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For your photo edit I call
For your photo edit I call that knot that a slipknot, should be no worries on a sambo however what strength is the leader? & what poundage braid??
Browndog
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Slipknot
Braid is Kato 30lb and Kato fluorocarbon leader 29.7lb
Lamby
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Minimum I get away with down
Minimum I get away with down south is 60lb so Sambo's on no structure & up to 80lb on the lighter gear, I remember a trip out at Jurien & got away with 60 for most of the day
grayzeee
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http://videofishingknots.com/
http://videofishingknots.com/uni-knot.html << great for heaps of other knots too
This is the knot to learn for terminal tackle , I always leave a 10mm tag justin ( usually only 3 or 4 turns through dependant on line thickness)
And if you get someone to show you the fg for joining mono/fluro to braid , it's the easiest of all to tie , and there will be no need to learn the bimini.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Browndog
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Uni knot
Hey Grayzee, thanks for the advice. Uni knot seems pretty simple and not too different to what I have been doing. My local tackleshop told me today to just use a double uni knot to join the braid to leader, which again seems pretty simple and I understand it's also pretty strong. Any particular reason that you wouldn't use this in place of the FG that you suggested?
Cheers,
BD.
grayzeee
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I've never used the double
I've never used the double uni to join braid to leader though it undoubtedly works.
It is bulky however , and will rattle through the guides, and I honestly don't think its as strong.
I was using a bimini to gt which is an excellent connection , but have moved on to the fg after getting shown it recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N0mCf0AIAA
^this is basically an fg although he finishes it differently.
I was shown to do your 10 wraps and then finish with a half hitch.
Pull the braid against the leader so it bites in and locks down , then continue alternate half hitching another 10 or so times to fin before trimming both tags.
Give it a go.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
cudbfishn
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uni to uni is only a 70% knot
uni to uni is only a 70% knot at best. pr/fg is supposed to be 100%. Ive never broken one. Ive broken plenty of uni to uni knots.
Browndog
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Thanks Grayzee & CudB
Cheers guys, looks like I have some more learning to do to get my degree in Knotology!
Anyways, after today's tweaking of the rig, I know have a mono backing, 300 yards of 30lb braid, double uni to 50lb leader (and yes, I noticed it is a little clunky through the guides, but not too bad) down to a heavy duty Shogun roller swivel (tied with my mystery knot as per the photo) to split ring on the jig. The assist hook has been changed out on the reccomendation of a customer at the local tackle shop who is heavily into jigging, he suggested the original hook was sitting quite high on the jig, so I have added one that has a small length of kevlar/dacron/whatever cord via a split ring.
Not sure if it's the strongest rig out there, but some quick backyard testing resulted in a nice curve on the rod, and a good hookup on the tomato bush that has now been sacrificed to the fishing gods!
Now just gotta get it wet and see if it does what I'm hoping.
Thanks guys for all your advice, and please feel free to add any comments on my current setup. Also as a note I have looked up the knots suggested, I do like the look of the sebile knot, any others care to comment on if they use it or avoid it?
Cheers,
BD
bayliner
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Hey browndog dont worry about
Hey browndog dont worry about knot books try tis website out really good for tying heaps of knots
www.animatedknots.com
Brock O
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Good Thread This!!
Im at the same stage as you here browndog, just bought my first jig stick as well, its the Eupro like yours but its a Twin craft 120g which i picked up at oceanside, cheap and will get me started. Only ever used heavy bottom boucing gear so putting my faith in somthing so skinny makes me nervous.
Good luck at jurien, it will get a flogging there for sure. first use with mine and on jigs will be the abrohlos mid march like your self, 2 spot free if your keen?
Hit a few pinkies on the five last sunday so its a good a place to start as mentioned. After march send me a PM if you ever want to get out deeper for a jig as im sure we will be hook by then!
Browndog
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Abrolhos
Hey Brock O, sounds like you have popped your Jigging Cherry, well done. Mate you will have an absolute ball at the Abrolhos, I spent 4 days there and almost (hah! Not quite) got sick of catching dhuis and baldy's. The baldy's are like rats there man. Good job there was a few spanglies and amberjacks thrown in for variety, along with monster squid, sea snakes, whales, turtles, dolphins etc etc etc! Jealous? Not much! Would love to join you, but between jobs right now and will have just started the new one then, so no holidays. Maybe hit the five one day, PM me if you are keen?
Yes, I need to get to Oceanside, they have helped me out a few times with advice, but got a heap of big chain store vouchers for my birthday so need to use them up first. Even knowing this Oceanside have still been a big help.
From Lamby's post sounds like 30lb might be a bit light on for Jurien? Anyway, I'm after some enjoyment and don't intend just winching things up, so maybe a lighter drag setting and a challenge to keep them out of structure? Time will tell. Keen as to get a trip out to the five before the Jurien trip so I can fine tune or change anything that's needed.
Thanks for posting,
BD.
Brock O
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Its a Hard One
Chosing leader size, i lost a few fish on the five in the same spot from sunday, would be happy to bet on snapper. that was 80lb leader!!
Got told to try 100 / 120lb when chasing snapper, this resulted in a fish being landed, but drift baiting with a heavy outfit not using Jigs.
Im not sure how the heavyer leader affects your jig action though?? any one?
I depart for the Abrohlos on 17th so wont get out untill my return i would think, when i decide on a dedictated jigging day - No Bait Allowed, ill send you a PM.
mw87
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Looks like your knot to jig
Looks like your knot to jig is a blood knot or improved blood knot. For jigging I use: 40lb braid - Sebile knot for braid to mono (youtube search) - 2-3m 50lb flurocarbon leader - improved blood knot or uni knot to the same jig set-up in your photo (solid to split). Hasn't failed me yet.
dkonig82
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As others have said,
As others have said, definitely don't tie braid direct to a swivel - it is rubbish. I've seen it snap so many times so even if I'm in the middle of a hot bite I'll always take the time to do a PR knot for a new leader.
On snap swivels - I hate the things and never use them, but I have a mate who swears by them and in fairness every time I've jigged with him and also for trolling (including trolling a weighed 30kg+ spaniard) he's used the snaps and never had a failure.
Dan
When asked by a non-fisherman 'how many fishing rods do you really need?' the correct answer is either:
n+1 (where n is the number of fishing rods you currently own); or
n-1 (where n is the number of fishing rods which would cause your significant other to dump you.
tikki169
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It's always handy to learn a
It's always handy to learn a couple knots.
On land I always tie a PR knot (you can get a PR bobbin on ebay for $30) but they do take alot of practice.
When on the boat if I get bust off and I need to get back into the action quickly I'll use a Bimini Twist (40-60 turns) and then use a worm knot to tie the leader on and this is bloody strong. If we are moving to another spot then I'll take the time to tie another PR knot.
I'f I'm jigging with pe1-1.5 then I can be super lazy and and use a uni to uni connection but you have to kee checking htis cause the constant jigging can cause it to snap if your jigs are too heavy.
I always use a good quality ball swiver, then a split ring, to the spitring I'll attch the jig and my assis hook will be on a solid ring. Never had a failure this way.
I use a uni to attch the swivel to the leader or if using 100lbs leader I'll use the AG chain knot.
barneyboy
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With your knot onto your jig
I usually thread a quality swivel onto the split ring and tie off on that. That way your hook can move alot more freely. The rest has been said
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
Browndog
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Thanks BB
Spot on BB, the guys at the local tackle shop suggested the same so this afternoon I changed things around a bit (stronger leader etc) and have added a Shogun roller swivel as described.
Cheers,
BD
kelvintyj
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hi
hi browndog,
as knot for jigging, i recommend FG or GT knot for joining braid n mono.
as for the terminal tackle, i use the san diego jam knot, u can search it on youtube.
i suggest that ur leader tie on to a heavy duty ball bearing swiwel then tie ur assist hook on the swivel as well, now attach your jig to a split ring and attach the split ring on the bearing swivel.
so it run like => leader-> ball bearing swivel-> assist hook and jig.
text me if u wan a pic on it.cheer kelvin~ ^_^
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PH1L
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i normally use fg knot or use
i normally use fg knot or use the bobbin to tie PR knot...
as for spooling the reel with braid i never use any backing what i did is wrap the spool with braid about 3 or 4 round then tie it to the spool plus putting sticky tape on the spool... it never ever slip...
i tie the leader to ball bearing swivel (using ag chain knot)... then assist hook and jigs....
this is how i tie my assist line to hook its quick and easy (i add a little bit of super glue on to the knot) to fihish it of i usually add a squid skirt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-S3tkLMA6o&list=UU0lZE1FtLAwH3x94O80wMpQ&index=3
cheers,
phil