police hoons
Submitted by brg on Tue, 2012-03-06 18:31
On the way to work this morning(6am)ford focus turbo comes flying past and over takes me and then a ss commy ute and both pull up to a red light on the ocean reef down ramp going southbound.Bang light goes green and they drag to the merge commy takes off with focus behind out of sight into the traffic and then two minutes later i see red and blues flashing the focus has pulled the commy over.Does anyone else think this aint right or seen something similar?
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spooled79
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yep unfair for sure both
yep unfair for sure both should get done imo if they are racing each other
fatboyholla
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happens all the time on the
happens all the time on the freeways. they have a range of cars used to entice people into street racing. i think its a dog act purely because its a spur of the moment thing to race. not in anyway saying street racing is good ive had a mate fall to racing on country roads, just saying that the cop car is pressuring another person to race
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Mr x
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iv heard of it befor hapend
iv heard of it befor hapend to a mate of my dads the cops where in a subaru wrx dads mate in a comodore wrx speeding up pulling up beside him then reving it at the lights they both pulled of hard from lights then lights come out and got him i cant see how that is a legal way of catching people but they are the law and will bend it when it suits them
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the cops are only breaking
the cops are only breaking the law if they exceed the speed limit before the lights go on or they are spinning the wheels on takeoff. unfair yes , illegal no
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Mr x
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u can get done for reving a
u can get done for reving a car (excessive noise) under hoon laws and if u take of to fast from the lights even if u haven past the set speed limit it can be seen as dangerous driving so the police are breaking just as many laws if seting somone up for a race
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but if people werent so
but if people werent so easily revved up it wouldnt be a prob. those that get done for racing probably have raced before and will again. i have street raced before but never got caught , wouldnt do it now tho, too risky with so many dif cop cars out there
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Mr x
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yeh i agree getting done may
yeh i agree getting done may not even stop them but ur getting done for doing somthing illegal by police who are ment to uphold the law but are doing somthing illegal u get the fine the loss of points and they go on there way.
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Hope you didn't pay
for that leagle advice Mr x
edit - Re your post at 18:56.
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yeah, seen the focus being
yeah, seen the focus being used for some time now. they have some grunt for a small car. the one i saw was dark blue with all the fruit and dark tinted windown. the last car you would expect .
classic was quite a few years back down mandurah way. the cops had a standard looking beetle with surf boards bolted to roof racks. only diff was this beetle had a highly modified porche motor pushing it along.busted shit loads over 1 summer. never saw it again
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Muppet
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what a load
of crap.
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spooled79
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police creating a unsafe
police creating a unsafe environment for other road users imo
Mr x
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thats right they go on so
thats right they go on so much about everything they want to stop then to create more money they entice people to race what a joke
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Just heard through an
Just heard through an extremly reliable source that all the red light cameras will be remotely operated soon (no more film) So some sarg behind a desk eating dohnuts pinging your speeding asses lol.
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We were discussing this today
Came to the conclusion it's a form of entrapment?
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Leemo
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yep, definitely a form of
yep, definitely a form of entrapment. totally illegal. much the same as putting a speed camera at the base of a hill, due to the speed increase, and having a speed cmera trap.
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till
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Now who is being silly? The
Now who is being silly?
The logical extrapolation of that is there shouldn't be speed limits on any road that runs downhill.
Driver says ... Oh its downhill, so were allowed to exceed the speed limit by X amount. OH NO, THAT'S RIGHT ITS THE SPEED LIMIT.
Seriously, clue up.
hlokk
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In some states over east
In some states over east there are guidelines about speed camera location such as at speed changes or at the bottom of hills. E.g.
A site shall not be (Vic rules):
Descending down unsuitable gradients or within 300 metres of the bottom of a gradient or hill UNLESS the site has a significant speed related collision record;
Unsuitable gradient is defined as a slope that causes a vehicle in top gear (or drive) to increase indicated speed against maximum deceleration (NO BRAKE OR ACCELERATION) from a commencement speed at the top of the slope at the posted limit.
Compared to WA which is : trap em however you can and reap the $$$. Bonus points for sneaky setup and cameras in locations that have not recorded a single excessive speed related crash.
Also, Vic get this:
To maintain community confidence in the mobile speed camera initiative, it is important for the operational use of the device to be seen as fair and reasonable. Under no circumstances are camera vehicles, tripods or portable flash units (when used) to be disguised by signs, logos, breakdown of vehicle (eg. boot open or spare wheel / jack visible etc), tree branches, lamp posts, rubbish bins or any other covert means.
Also, Jamie, perhaps clue up on non-sequiturs ;) haha. Some tolerance in some situations does not then mean that all situations should have unlimited tolerance.
till
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I'm aware of the eastern
I'm aware of the eastern states legislation, there is something similar in NSW as well, but the point still stands. They at least considered that it was hills of a certain gradient.
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dont speed
dont get caught and dont get fined or you car conficated simple realy if someone can entice you into a race just by reving their engine then it shows your imaturity and gulability simple logic realy. people have been killed by imature little boys street racing in cars they cant control in the event of something going wrong. do it and you deserve all you get.
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lurcha
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Seen them in a hilux on the
Seen them in a hilux on the weekend, had pulled someone over on the freeway. Very sneaky!
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Seen them in a jacked
Seen them in a jacked up/modded prado too!!!
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If your stupid enough to fall
If your stupid enough to fall for it then suck it up, pay the fine and stop your %$#ing whinging you got what you deserve.
And before some street hero bags me yes I`ve been busted before, including once for doing 30 knots in a 8 knot zone which I thought was a bit unfair as it was not marked but copped it and paid the fine.
Really shits me when people do the wrong thing then bag the cops for busting them, specially when they know what they are doing. Bet they are nice and friendly to the plod when some piece of shit steals their pride and joy and they want it found and returned.
Grow up suck it up and get on with life. . .
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Mr x
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so your saying it is fair to
so your saying it is fair to try and make somone do the wrong thing and race then pull them over but u think it was unfair that u dident know the speed limit and where done for speeding in ur boat
grantarctic1
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Might not be fair
Might not be fair to try to make anyone do anything, but in the end it is your choice.
No one knows the true facts to what happened , this is just what a FW member saw on the road.( no offence ) Could be many reasons behind the so called chase.
southcity104
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rant rant marble
cops baiting young fellas is questionable IMO.
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WADRay
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Will it be when that young
Will it be when that young fella is breaking the law and hits your car and kills one of your family members? (realy crap question to ask I know but really thats what is about)
As Benny suggests, what ever the reason you break the rules your breaking them willingly. When you get caught suck it up...
Fact is the way I see it is that the rules are there to protect you and your family from the weakest link, and if you get sucked in that easily your probably the weakest link....the more young blokes get caught the less (one would hope) that they are gonna hurt someone (per capita). God knows Im very lucky not to have killed someone with all the stupid shit I pulled....Thankfully I was smart enough to get out onto country roads, or often as not paddocs, away from other people.
marble
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It may be questionable but if
It may be questionable but if they are dumb enough to fall for it and get a hip pocket belting then maybe they`ll think twice before doing it again.
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Muppet
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my, my, my
what a blinkered view we have dont we. There are many reasons why things like this happen, and the public arent privy to them and never will be. You only see the few seconds as your driving past. Ever thought that there is a bigger picture and it is easier for the copper's to get the bad guys on the road rather than chase them up in their houses ? I guess you havent.
Just because you see flashing blue and red lights, doesnt mean that the coppers have pulled them over for a speeding fine !. And as for this entrapment b$#@%#&t, thats exactly what it is. B$#@%#t. It doesnt happen. If you are getting followed by a ford focus, it's not a traffic copper !
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hlokk
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Are you saying there are no
Are you saying there are no unmarked cars out there just patrolling? There certainly are traffic cops in unmarked cars.
fishy fingers
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if they cant control their urges
then they shouldnt be behind the wheel the cops are trying to get the dickheads (which is what they are) off the road and good on em! and as muppet says there could be other reasons for pulling them over so again good on em.
johnno67
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Idiots
At the end of the day if the boys in blue are revving you up at the lights tryn to egg you on to have a run with them what happens when you race them from the lights and lose it take out 1 family kill them all who's to blame like to see that in court we are all human don't tell me in your youth you never done somethn like this before.
I have had hotted up cars all my life the days off enjoying your car and haven a little bit of fun without hurting anyone is gone
fishy fingers
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Not the Cops
I hope your not saying the cops would be to blame in that scenario.
Muppet
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wow
there is alot of rumours on this thread......
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Faulkner Family
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dont know who you are or
dont know who you are or what you think but everyone is entitled to their say. as far as your comment on one of my posts, if you dont have proof that its not true shut the f#$k up. if you dont like things the way they are going just dont read this topic any more
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fishy fingers
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Well I know who he is
And I think he talks with some authority
dumper
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Woah, easy nelly. Looks like
Woah, easy nelly. Looks like faulkners lost his cool a bit there. Time for a cuppa tea and a lie down to think up a new poem
Muppet
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Whoaaa nelly
faulks,
As you pointed out I am entitled to my opinion and yet to then turn around and tell me to shut up. HOW DOES THAT WORK ?
And most of the dribble on here isnt opinion, its rumour.
The coppers do not have and have not had a souped up beetle with a porsche motor. There's kids out there that think some of their cars have guns that come out of their headlights to. oh, wait, thats james Bond.
I'm not about to tell you who i am. And as for proof i dont have to show you. i'm telling you. I know it aint so.
What, you think coppers dont fish and skipper boats as well ?
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Goatch
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Anybody ever seen
what it looks like with 6 bodies scattered over the road when the XY Falcon that 5 x 17 yr olds are in (racing off the lights) T Bones an unsuspecting 30yr mum with her baby in the car innocently going through a roundabout , Sorry don't feel sorry for the clowns getting done for speeding/racing cause I've seen the aftermath and I still feel sick to my to my heart 20 years down the track .......
Just one more cast , honest !!!
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not a good feeling when you
not a good feeling when you see that shit. havnt seen it quite that bad but 2 cars racing driver only in each and both went under a semi. no roof left on either car.
there is a time and place and its not in built up areas where there is innocent people around
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grayzeee
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what if the police had baited
what if the police had baited someone for a race as has been seen, and this happened Goatch
Irresponsible policing as far as i'm concerned.
complaints should be going in.
being a police officer is about upholding , not breaking the law. (especially on the roads)
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
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no subject
no subject
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maybe this thread has run its
maybe this thread has run its race??
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GusG
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I agree, coppers cant break
I agree, coppers cant break the law to catch others breaking it. They were also engaged in an illegal activity (street racing) so I reckon if you took it to court and had witnesses (such as the original poster of this thread) you shoudl get off.
They bait someone, this person starts to race and crashes into someone - sure they did the wrong thing but the cops are also partially responsible.
fishy fingers
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Does anyone here
Realy know the facts in this case....I doubt it, anybody making excuses for dickheads breaking the law are
dickheads themselves, no one knows what happend but somehow the cops are the bad guys.
theres no understanding some people.
grayzeee
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yet again fishy , you're just
yet again fishy , you're just not getting it.
we are all posting in response to what was contained in the OP
is it right that the police are spending tax dollars on high powered unmarked police cars and baiting races is the jist!
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
fishy fingers
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I do get it
were posting in response to something we dont know the facts about. it's no defence to say the "the cops made me do it"
if they would do it by cops baiting them then they are going to do it anyway cops or not. And the main point here is
you are assuming the cops did infact bait them. as muppet said earlier
you have no idea what was going here...fact
fishnguru
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Can't beleive it !
I thought this was Fishwrecked - not Face Book !!!!!!
As a paramedic that has attended a number of the fatals on our roads. It is not something that can be easily fixed.
Regardless of who is speeding - Don't Do It !
Should come out and sit on the kerb - with a mother of the 3 that was stuck in car with her 3 deceased kids in the back. Then having to talk her through the pain while we cut them free. Watch a cop spew his guts up - cause he couldn't handle it . To top it off - the fireys arrived and the first one up to the car with the spreaders - knew the family .
Either way , we can all sit here and carry on about - cops , hoons , speeding etc ...... Take a good , hard look at yourselves people .....
Don't drive like and idiot and you won't have to many problems...
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I was driving home from work yesterday
Accelerated out from the lights a bit to quickly on stirling hwy and was doing 65 in a 60 zone, I quickly realised and slowed down, when I looked in my rear view mirror a cop on a motorbike hooned out of the left hand lane into mine behind me, and as I had decellerated he must have decided to let me off, but because he had sped to get there, looked like he was going to run into me. He then proceeds to do basically 10-15 kms above the speed limit to catch up to the next car, gives them a look over for mobile ph use, he would then slow down, and accelerate(speed) again. All the way down Stirling hwy to Leach not once using his lights. When going over the bridge he was in the right lane, but virtually on the white line and as the traffic is slow, he was again looking for mobile ph users. As his speed was slow, he looked to be struggling to keep the bike upright and nearly ran into the back of several cars due to his inattention to the traffic because he was trying so hard to get mobile ph users.
I agree excessive speed, mobile ph use etc is dangerous, we've all seen the ads, but I think the revenue raising is not helping anyone. Im not really a fan of the 'drop five save lives' campaign. Everyone is so worried about a cop or speed camera behind a bush that they refuse to even do the speed limit, 30-40 in a 50 zone, 50-60 in 70 zones. Cant flash your lights or toot your horn to inform this other driver that they are ruining the efficiency of our road network or you are at risk of inciting road rage. I see this 4-5 times on the way to and from work each day, car one doing speed limit safely comes up on car two doing 10kms less for no good reason, car one then attempts to drive like Ken Block http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btViXvIDsi0 to get around car two. I think more driver training is really the only option.
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Fact is if you engage in a
Fact is if you engage in a drag race off from lights or whereever and the other car crashes and injures someone you are in a lot of trouble due to the fact you contributed the the situation (even if no contact between your car and the other you were racing). IF the police are doing this then they are engaging in pretty risky behaviour in my opinion (and the police would be at least partly to blame if the other car crashed just like anyone else would in the same situation). - proving what the police did in court would be another matter but certianly not impossible.
About a year ago I passed two motorbike cops on speed duties on a main country road no doubt booking people for doing 120 and above in a 110 zone. 10 minutes later they both came past me on the way back to base travelling at least 150-180km/hr - not a good look thats for sure. All in all I have a lot of police contact with work and most are top blokes.
simple thing is though don't drag race anyone and the cops won't be able to bait you.........
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Traffic cops are a law unto
Traffic cops are a law unto themselves. I was cruising north on the Mitchell doing 100 in the right lane and came up behind a WRX who was doing 85. I sat behind him (safe distance) for about 3-4kms and then beeped him. Turned out to be a police car and they flashed their rear red/blues lights at me. I then found a gap and went around thinking that they were following some one of interest. Well, I then became the person of interest and they followed me for the next 5ks until I got off the freeway at my exit. I have a healthy respect for WAPOL, but traffic cops in the city are smokers.
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Covert Policing
I spend a lot of time on the road and I continually see people doing stupid things from texting while driving, eating breakfast, putting on makeup, speeding, harrassing etc. The freeways IMO are a dangerous place at any time of day or night. Marked cars act as a deterrant and everyone magically behaves until the car disappears. Then, guess what? They all turn ferral again. Covert policing is used to catch hookers, drugies, general fu%#witts etc. Why is it so wrong that covert tactics are used on our roads where there are some many F*#@witts ready to put everyone else at risk?
The people who object to such things are generally those who have been caught and screem "dirty tactics". Grow up and respect the law and other people around you.
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hlokk
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I'm not sure many people have
I'm not sure many people have problems with non-marked police cars. If you're doing the wrong thing, then you gotta remember you're going to get caught eventually.
However, there is a bit of a difference between a non-marked car pulling over someone already doing something illegal, and a police car doing something illegal (speeding), then encouraging someone to do something they may have been likely to have done (entrapment). Basically, if all the police did was offer an opportunity then its not entrapment. However, if they encouraged them to do it, it would be. Whether it applies is of course all debatable.
And if it wasnt entrapment, there would still be the issue of a police car street racing/speeding/[what could be booked as dangerous driving if it was a non-police officer] while their lights were off. (Assuming all story 100% accurate).
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If you want to race
Join a car club and go for a bash in a safe environment. Im no hoon but loved speed in a car, so rallied. That way you can safely for others "race" and release some testosterone.
Doing this on the street for whatever reason will at some point cause grief.
I personally have had to do some bloody aweful things as a result of innocent people getting caught up in Hoon caused accidents. It does not feel good turning off life support on innocent people in ICU. A popular Italian businessman died in ICU in 1989 after been hit by a speeding hoon, and I will never forget the faces of the family, and this is only one of many I recall.
No matter how it happened, whether you are "baited" etc, It is simple, Dont do it. If you fall for it you are lining up for a "Darwin Award" - deleting your dumb genes from the gene pool.
JMO but the sadness it cause for everyone involved, from the scene off the accident all the way to the end is just not worth that act at the start.
Neels
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dumper
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So if an undercover cop buys
So if an undercover cop buys drugs off a dealer is that a form of entrapment too? Too many bleeding hearts on this site that can't or won't take responsibility for when they fuck up
hlokk
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If the undercover cop
If the undercover cop encouraged a person to sell drugs that he wouldnt otherwise sell, then yes (though they could still get him for posession). If the cop merely presented an opportunity (but did not encourage), then it would not be entrapment. There is plenty out there to explain the distinction. Obviously, for nearlly all cases of drug dealers it would be the second wouldnt it ;)
crasny1
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Thats a Joke Matt
Nobody should be selling drugs no matter what. I would imagine that as a drugy you would plea for someone to sell you drugs. So if the cop does the same its entrapment. Get real!!!
I sounds like you have been caught defending something you shouldnt have, and now you are being just silly with this entrapment idea.
If you break the law, however you do it or get coned to do it, you are still guilty. End off story.
Maybe you condone a cop fishing with a mate. "Yeh mate, just keep that undersize cray or 2". So if you do that and get sprung, is that entrapment. I am sure you would crap on anybody doing that and tell them how dumb they are.
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Paully
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Cue
some more latin phrases and maybe even some case law now cransy1
- dont want to get to nitpicky though. 
crasny1
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My latin phrases would not be Law
Im another part of latin. Just dont like stupid statements. And Matt's not a lawyer either.
Perhaps a legal input might just stop this silliness.
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Paully
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I hear you mate -
I wasn't actualy referring to you breaking out the Latin
- anyway I figure that just about all that can be said, has now.
hlokk
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WTF are you on about?? Its
WTF are you on about?? Its not hard to go search for what constitutes entrapment or what doesnt. Never mind dumb examples. Unless you of the opinion that there should be absolutely no provision in the law for entrapment? (once it obviously meets legal requirements not some crap when really all they did was provide opportunity - which is NOT entrapment).
(For the record, I've never done drugs, dont speed and have never had anything to do with entrapments)
scotto
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Or
A female.
Paully
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How is one
classed as a dealer if in fact they are not dealing
- "encouraged the dealer to sell drugs that he wouldn't otherwise sell" - that just does not make sense, to me anyway...
hlokk
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Well, they're merely an
Well, they're merely an accused dealer until proven ;). Focus on the general idea, not nitpicking on the words. (Anyways, fixed for clarity). Theres a million examples out there anyways. Its not difficult to look up what constitutes entrapment and what doesnt.
Lastchance
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Damn, you can talk some
Damn, you can talk some shit.....
Anway, moral of the story is, dont drag race strangers, and dont drag race on the roads. Save the drags for Mardi Gras and Yachty conventions.
dumper
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Paully
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Andy_b
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wtf has this got do with
wtf has this got do with fishing? the bloke got done who cares get over it, do the speed limit and you have sweet f a to worrie about, or maybe they where racing to the boat ramp?
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And
And that my friends is all she wrote, thankyou, come again. Speed and you will get caught, regardless of the situation, simple.
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