question about wire
Submitted by pembo6 on Tue, 2013-12-10 16:38
Maybe a silly question??
I often read that wire can put fish off. Especially mulloway, but even fish like tailor.
Why are they put off? Is it becuase they see the wire? Or becuase the feel it when the bite? Or can they somehow sense the wire (some sort of reaction with metal/water).
I have tried to catch Mulloway a couple of times (standard snelled rig) and have lost the hooks to tailor biting through.
So, should I snell the hooks to a very short multistrand wire leader (just as long as the hooks, so the fish dont see it). Or am I better to just use thicker mono leader with hooks snelled. Maybe 60lb or would metro tailor still bite through that easy. 80lb?
Thanks for any advice.
____________________________________________________________________________
Pembo
MandurahMatt
Posts: 613
Date Joined: 18/09/13
I generally have no problem
I generally have no problem with 60lb fluorocarbon with tailor.
Bewdey Fellaz
CityFlicker
Posts: 524
Date Joined: 31/01/13
Tailor will chop through
Tailor will chop through 100lb mono no problem but you don't want to resort to using wire either as that will almost certainly put any mulloway off. If your getting bitten off by tailor I'm betting your using small baits like mulies or gars. Continue using mono (60lb is perfect) but start using bigger baits like whole herring, tailor or whiting. If your already using big baits then sharks are probably the culprit. They are just part & parcel of the game. Using circle hooks can help avoid shark bite offs. If you really want to go with wire use single strand not multi. The single is much thinner so is less visible to any fish.
Just because I smile & nod does not mean I believe the crap coming out of your mouth.
All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the privilege.
pembo6
Posts: 175
Date Joined: 21/08/11
Hey cityflicker...
Why would the circles reduce shark bite offs? Is it because the circle should sit in the corner of the mouth, away from the teeth?
Pembo
CityFlicker
Posts: 524
Date Joined: 31/01/13
Spot on mate. I've landed
Spot on mate. I've landed plenty of sharks using circles & mono leader. Not saying they stop 100% of shark biite offs but they certainly help.
Just because I smile & nod does not mean I believe the crap coming out of your mouth.
All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the privilege.
pembo6
Posts: 175
Date Joined: 21/08/11
Yep
Yep, small baits. The tailor are taking the bottom hook and biting through between the 2 snelled hooks. Definitely not sharks coz they stay on for a little bit and they are only the weight of a tailor.
Might try a short trace of 60lb flouro to snell a couple of circles. I only need it between the snelled hooks coz that's where I'm getting bitten off. Short 60lb trace to a longer 40lb leader.
Sound OK?? Thanks.
Pembo
nightfish
Posts: 326
Date Joined: 18/10/10
Double snell
Are you tying the bottom hook with a snell or uni knot?
if your Snelling the bottom hook change the knot to a normal terminal (uni, blood etc). If a bigger tailor bites a shelled hook most time it will bite it off. The uni or blood etc will leave the shank of the hook as a short leader. Regularly getting tailor in the 45-55cm on a snell with 80pd and rarely do they go right through.
CityFlicker
Posts: 524
Date Joined: 31/01/13
Tailor will bite through
Tailor will bite through flouro just as easy as they will mono. Upsize your baits & you should avoid problems with all but the biggest tailor. The bigger bait should be a bit more appealing to the mulla reward for effort wise to.
Just because I smile & nod does not mean I believe the crap coming out of your mouth.
All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the privilege.
pembo6
Posts: 175
Date Joined: 21/08/11
I thought flouro was a lot tougher than mono....
but I take your point about larger baits.
I guess with the smaller baits, its actually good to catch a tailor if im not catching mulla (can use it as bait!!). Just annoying getting bitten off several times.
Might try a combination of thicker leader/trace, bottom hook tied with e ubi (rather than snelled.
If that fails, I will just move to much larger baits and forget about the bycatch of tailor.
Thanks all.
Pembo
Belly88
Posts: 380
Date Joined: 08/02/12
gangs
Why not use gangs???? Ive caught heaps of mullys and most have been on standard tailor rigs with ganged 4/0 tarpons.
Filet baits i up size but still use gangs. 3x 6/0 tarons
Bigger baits again you wont catch tailor and if a shark bites you off well thats all part of the game chaseing mullys.
Belly
Travis S
Posts: 67
Date Joined: 09/07/13
when snelling
i run a length of the soft fluro tube between hooks, wont fully stop bite offs but does give the line protection
psion
Posts: 424
Date Joined: 15/05/12
Gang hook= wire
don't see the difference between a gang hook and 2 hooks on a short wire trace?
pembo6
Posts: 175
Date Joined: 21/08/11
I agree
I agree Psion.
But maybe the fish might feel the wire becuase it is dangling on the outside of the bait. Whereas gangs are snugged up nicely to the bait??? Picky fish like mulloway might feel the wire? But that clear coated wire is almost the same colour as bait, and is really smooth.
I guess I will have to try and see.
Pembo