Reel Advice - re levelwinds

Hi all,
Great site, I am going on a charter off the west coast of Eyre Peninsula (South Aust) in a few weeks and looking at updating my gear for the trip. Will be targeting Bluefin, Sampsons and Kingies. Have the bluefin sorted however am looking at purchasing a new reel for the sambos/kingies. I am looking at the Diawa Saltist 40 and will probably spool it with 50-65lb braid. To be used on a 24kg short stroker at this point however will look at a jigging rod with a bit more length in the future. A few locals have said not to use braid without a levelwind (bad for fingers) but i dont see the problem (hey I'm not planning to grab the line and fight the fish hand to hand) and given the depths will be around 70m max I dont see a little build up on the spool as a huge problem.
All views appreciated

Cheers Paul

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Grab a set of quality

Thu, 2007-01-18 12:03

Grab a set of quality jigging gloves and youll be fine. Saltist 40 good choice i believe but honsu(forum user) will help you out with anything with the word jig in it.

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Spool build-up

Thu, 2007-01-18 12:18

Hi Paul,

I think that the spool build up with braid could be a problem as it has a tendency to grab on itself if not laid on straight. With a big fish taking line it may become a problem at the most inappropriate time.

Like SPESS said the glove will fix that and allow you to lay the line on straight without cutting your hands to pieces.

Ditto on the "Honsu's the man" call, to get the most accurate answer to your question.

Would love to see some pics of your trip when you get back.

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You'll find 50-65lb braid is

Thu, 2007-01-18 21:21

You'll find 50-65lb braid is not that thin...well not thin enough to slice your fingers when you touch it. When you lay line you are guiding the line, not holding it. You picked a top reel there with the Saltist 40. Ive got the saltist 30TH and running 50lb. Now you'll find it does lack a bit of drag thats due to the amount of grease in the drag washers. I suggest stripping the reel and remove the excess grease or better yet, replace the washers with Carbontex drag washers. Im in the process of changing mine and re-greasing everything inside. As for the line building up, to avoid the build-up jamming against the frame is to under fill it by 3-5mm. That way you can build-up the line and not get stuck. Levelwind is the last thing you want in a heavy duty reel. Why do you think all the large game and heavy duty bottom bashing reels have no levelwinds....so its one less thing to go wrong. Levelwinds are relatively weak as they dont do much apart from guiding line therefore they are made flimsy. When the line do go slack all of a sudden and jumps of to the side of the spool, it'll end up at an angle going thru the levelwind. Under heavy tension the levelwind will be under stress and will strip the worm and levelwind pawl. So stay away from levelwind reel if you can.

As for jigging rods...there are many out there. Im currently using the saltist on a Shimano JigWrex PE4 overhead. The jigwrex are nice rods, the PE6 will probably suit your needs. Daiwa also do one, Saltist jig rod PE5 8/10. Then there's the Silstar Crystal Blue powertip jig rods.

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Thanks all

Fri, 2007-01-19 07:37

Pretty well what I thought and the advice I was initially given didn't make sense to me (just like the tackle shop guy trying to sell an overhead reel telling the person that he didn't have to worry about casting because he was fishing from a boat)!!

Thanks to all for clearing things up and the drag tips as well. Have the jigging gloves ready and my arms are already growing longer in anticipation!!

*Honsu whats your thoughts on the Diawa TLD25 leverdrag for the same?? I currently have one and was considering respooling this instead and then buying a decent leverdrag later when funds are better.

Theres a couple of lumps out off Streaky Bay that rise from about 80m to within 20 to 30 metres from the surface. Just the place to drop a jig or live squid over (and hang on real tight)!!

Will let you all know how I go and yep plan on taking plenty of pics.....

Cheers
Paul

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honsu, on the saltist PE5

Fri, 2007-01-19 07:45

honsu, on the saltist PE5 rod whats the 8/10 stand for??

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Choose what you are likley

Fri, 2007-01-19 08:00

Choose what you are likley to use more, trolling or jigging! The tld25 will be fine and is a cheep alternative for jigging i used one a couple of times and teamed up with a short stroker rod it was fine. If you would be using a trolling rod more save for that but i use a tld25 for trolling and it hasnt failed yet, no need for a upgrade at this stage but i do prefer the tiagra and tcurve combo ive got. Ask yourself what do you really need more as i have brought many a rod/reel because i was going somewere i thought i needed it and havent used it since. But once again ask the master of jig and theres alot more people on this site that know a hell of a lot more than i do. Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers Chris

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Jig, jig jig

Fri, 2007-01-19 08:59

will be doing more jigging on this trip and have other options for trolling if needed, Just questioning the need for me to buy the Saltist at this point if I can get away using the TLD for this trip and then get a decent leverdrag (which I prefer) later. I can always respool the TLD (already have one) back to whatever later. I know what you mean but re reels not being used but I wouldn't buy either if I didn't have a use for them.
i.e. TLD 30lb mono (troll) Saltist 50lb Braid (medium jig) Tiagra (or similar) 80lb braid (heavy jig and anything the others can't handle)!!
Yep the TLD is a great trolling reel, I was just wondering if it could handle/put the presesure on a decent Sambo/Kingie hell bent for the bottom (as mentioned spooled with 65lb braid). Will have to check when I'm home but pretty sure the spool is Aluminium and the body Graphite. Leaning towards just using the TLD for this trip and thought it wouldn't hurt to get the know how from you guys who have been there a bit more than me..........

Cheers and Thanks
Paul

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i reacon it will be fine to

Fri, 2007-01-19 10:10

i reacon it will be fine to use the tld. The standard drag on them will handle and supply enough pressure to stop kingys and sambos without doing any damage. I used one as mentioned for many trips last year.

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Cheers Spess

Fri, 2007-01-19 10:53

Thanks to all for the imput, much appreciated.

I'll see how the TLD goes and if worst comes to worst and I come home with it in little bits I'll be a happy man to have met the fish that did the damage!!

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Paul

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Broken level winds

Fri, 2007-01-19 12:01

Bloody level winds, a big Mackie broke the Pawl on my abu 7000 casting a rapala off the cliff at Steep Point (fish was lost) - out came the calcutta after that, no dramas with that level wind thankfully (even with 50lb braid) - wouldn't trust it too much jigging though!

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Daiwa TLD25?? I think you

Fri, 2007-01-19 20:41

Daiwa TLD25?? I think you mean Shimano. You can use the TLD for jigging but one day (usually not long later) you will destroy the reel running heavy drag for 65lb braid. It is after all a 25lb class reel and the anti reverse system is just not up the constant backplay of jigging. Trolling with 30lb mono is fine becoz there's stretch in the line to absorb shocks. I suggest you buy a saltist 40 for fishing 50lb. You'll enjoy it more with the right gear. The TLD is just too slow for jigging and that short crank handle is abit of a knuckle buster. You can still use the TLD for bottom fishing with 65lb braid but youre not running heavy drag to fish 65lb breaking strain. Put it in the perspective. The equivalent TLD with the same capability as the saltist 40 is the TLD50 and 50LRS. The anti reverse system in the saltist is atleast twice as good as most other reels. It has 2 sets of A/R. One is a one way roller bearing on the spool and the other is a dog on the main gear. You can even retro fit another dog to have a triple anti reverse system....not that you need it!! lol

Nealez...the 8/10 on the saltist rod stands for 8 to 10oz jig weight.

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Saltist 40

Sat, 2007-01-20 01:59

I run a Saltist 40 ( got one of the first reels in Perth) and I decky part time on a jigging boat , I usually get time to have a jig or 2 and have so far landed 89 Sambo's on it , biggest is just under 100lb's in the old money , most in the 15 to 30 kg range , had the same 50 lb braid for 2 1/2 years now no problem , after the end of this season I am going to change over to Carbontex washers , just to see the difference not because I am loosing drag pressure , I have fished jigs from 150g up to 680 gramm and the reel has performed well.

I get to see and use A LOT of new and expensive rods & reels only other reel that I would look at buying for jigging is a TORSA , man they are unbeleivable ( spinning reels are a whole different ball game).

Budget go the Saltist (40 is Ideal for jigging and bottom fishing)
go the 50 if you need extra capacity and the 30 if you fish up to 100m depth , the speeds don't really mean much , it's up to you how fast you want to wind your line in , I fish out to the 250 m depth and don't have a problem can't see a bit more gear ratio helping all that much , more to do with technique than how fast you wind the handle, if I had to replace it I would buy the exact same one , Saltist 40.

BUT !!!!!!!

Got some $$$ go the TORSA

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there you go....from the man

Sat, 2007-01-20 06:22

there you go....from the man who has used everything and probably seen many reels break as well.

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Stuffed up!!

Sat, 2007-01-20 13:40

Definately a Daiwa but not a TLD (hows my form?) dragged it out today and its actually a Sealine LD50H (been tucked away in the reel bag for a while).

Maverick and Honsu if you can give the same opinions again on the LD50H - anti reverse is the only thing I think will suffer if anything. Bear in mind its likely i'll only use it for two days as next time I get something more suited (possibly a saltist 40 or leverdrag of some sort)and the currents aren't particularly strong where i'm going (as far as currents go) so probably not using much over 200-250 gram jigs. Will also be sinking some baits for the sambos/kingies as well and trolling for tuna in those two days so won't be jigging all day.

I'm all ears!!

paul

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Reel/rod combo

Thu, 2007-01-25 04:09

Hey Maverick,
You sound as if your the man to give me some of your hard earned advice.
What rod would you buy for yourself if your were using a Saltiga 6500Exp and PE8 and going down 150-200metres?
(I'd prefer a model 5.5ft or over)
Mid price and top end ideas if you can please?
Many thanks.