sea shepard
Submitted by petermac on Mon, 2013-12-23 18:28
I was at the Freo markets , yesterday and sea Shepard "operatives" had all the entrances staked out rattling tins , I told a dreadlocked young girl that while Sea Shepard were were challenging the state government's descion to set drum lines I wouldn't be making any more donations to them , she just looked back at me with spaced out eyes and said " whaaat arre you talking about"
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Rent a rabble
Since they dropped those two tree huggers on the Jap boat off Fremantle and got tied up with the Save the Forest drug F#$ked turkeys for hire whenever something comes up, they have lost what little respect I had for them.
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luckily they don't have to
luckily they don't have to rely on fuckwits like you.
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Conservation
Like most people, I believe in conservation of lots of things, native forests for one, BUT I don't approve of renting jungle bunnies to raise money and do there dirty work.
Just go back a little bit and have a look at the major protesters at James Price Point out of Broome and see Peterkins name come up as one of the ones arrested. He was one of the ones dropped on the Jap whale chaser and also has been arrested over east and down south.
Now for the big question---how do they survive? Dole payments? Sickness benefits? [sick in the head maybe], no , its the idiots who donate to the bloodsuckers and the ones who have your all or nothing mindset.
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Ba Bang! Well said
Ba Bang! Well said Carnarvonite. Ask 99% of Broome LOCALS what they thought about the proposed gas plant. All that I know were all for it.
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As usual ..Well put mate
As usual ..Well put mate !
Had a simular conversation with a guy on site in a 'sea shepard' t shirt ...he don't wear it no more
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do you mean they have people
like you no brainers to fall back on
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HAHHAHAHA Your are funny
HAHHAHAHA Your are funny Uncle,
I wouldn’t call myself brainless and I also don’t think I am the smartest man on the planet either ( otherwise I wouldn’t have to work anymore ) but I would assume I have a higher education then the most “ kill kill kill “ people out there who are yelling “ let’s kill everything in the ocean that could be a thread to us”. If you really think you could make the ocean a safe place for humans with killing an Apex Predator you should be punished and it shows that you don’t possess a fully functioning brain, or have finished your education, or just lack common sense.
And without Sea Shepard we would lose even more animals then we already do. I am well aware that Sea Shepard breaks the rules here and there but so does Japan and the West Australian Government that thinks it stands above international law. This is a whole different discussion and I wouldn’t wane waste my time to discuss that over and over again with the few guys on FW. I think it has been done enough in the last month or two. And if you don’t believe me USE THE SEARCH BUTTON.
And by the way you can call me what you want, I couldn’t care less, people like you are in the minority! (Even if it looks like FW is flooded with people like you, at the end of the day you guys are dying dinosaurs)
I also just replied now because I am just sick of the shit that has been posted on that issue on here in the last few months, and I am a believer in a good discussion and the presentation of arguments for the affirmative or negative, but the mindless shit on here has just become incredible and Adam should develop a filter for shark cull, sea shepherd and great white sharks.
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whole lot of shit going on here
was a shot at you for saying a guy was a f....wit for having an opinion
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Rite on uncle, aalfred y
Rite on uncle, aalfred y dont u strap a tuna on yaself n go for along swim, like say at neptune islands sa.
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Nice one axey , Alfred if ya
Nice one axey , Alfred if ya got nothing nice to say put a cork in it mate. No need to get personal, Carnarvonite has a wealth of hands on expierience probably no uni degree but when it comes to commonsense he has plenty.
Politically correct and over educated are the curse on society imo.
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I never had a go at
I never had a go at carnavonite, well respected guy who puts his life on the line at sea rescue duties! It was aimed at petermac.
And I agree with you, political correctness is going too far these days!
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The problem with society
Is 100% what you are aalfred.
think your "education" makes you better than everyone else, including the "dying dinosaurs" that have a full lifetime of wisdom and experience? I think the only thing your better at than everyone else is being a full time flogger.
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Hey Scotto,
Thanks for your reply.
Let’s just have a look at your statement:
“think your "education" makes you better than everyone else”
No I wouldn’t go that far saying I am better than everyone else. There are a lot of smarter people then me on this planet. (By the way I made a remarkable similar statement already in my first reply).
But if we all would be uneducated, our oceans the same as our shelfs in the supermarkets would be empty. Believe it or not we require an educated workforce to make the world go around and to stop people who can’t see past there fence line, raping oceans and other means of food supply (like hunting, by the way I support hunting it’s not a go at it). Thinks things need to be properly managed to ensure the sustainable harvesting of available resources. I could go on but I believe that will make my point.
“including the "dying dinosaurs" that have a full lifetime of wisdom and experience”
Sure there are some people who possess exactly that and I am always grateful when they share their experience and people like me can learn from it. There is a lot of wicked fisherman on here and I always look forward to their posts, in the hope they share for example the lures they used or they share a interesting stories from their past. BUT there are also ignorant dinosaurs on here that can’t connect the dots between the past and the present. For example: back in the day we caught 10 Snapper and we didn’t have a closed season. Why do we need it now! To see the answer you don’t have to be an experienced old time fisherman. It should be plainly obvious that constant high fishing pressure caused fishing stocks to diminish (mostly commercial pressure) and those we require countermeasures to control remaining stocks. At the end of the day it should be in all our interest that we can continue to catch great fish!
And I used strong language because petermac is a member how seems to require to voice every thought going through his mind and some of them should stay exactly there!
“I think the only thing your better at than everyone else is being a full time flogger”.
That would require that I comment negatively on most or every post on FW. Sorry I don’t have the time for that nor the intention, as many posts are great and make FW what it is, so why would I want do that?
Again thanks for taking some of your valuable time to reply to my comment!
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Well sice I have a science
Well sice I have a science based diploma, degree and post graduate dergree, I feel I may be educated enough to call you a self opinionated, ill informed bully. Commonlly found attached to small idilostic minority groups that due to the new media world, get much more attention than they deserve. Generally use science as a propaganda tool rather than an evidence based tool to prove a theory.
As for you being the majority and us a dinasour , I feel you probably need to reflect the votes in the last election. Most Australians have had a gut full of being bullied by minority groups such as the Greens. Just for curiosity have a look at Tasmanias unemployment figures.
To date your arguement against shark mitigation (not cull) has been scare tactics rather than science. There has been no evidence provided what so ever to back your arguement. QLD and NSW have been drum lining and netting for years and god behold, the apex predator didnt fall off the planet and the whole ocean eco system didnt collapse. Just as many whales, a much higher population and no where near as many shark attacks. You should add a bit of common sence to your education, it will help you in life.
Being a world warrior I suggest you run 5km, hold your breath for 5mins and then get a very large person to sit on you. Thats probably how the tiger shark in your photo felt. Plenty non dinasours wanting to stop fishing because fiosh feel pain too. Might want to consider that one.
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Ill informed bully, haven’t
Ill informed bully, haven’t had that one yet.
When you refer to the last election you shouldn’t draw the conclusion that just because a few people are sick of the Greens (some of their ideology is way too far-fetched and wouldn’t make good politics anyway, but we also require them to have a little say to ensure some decisions can’t just be pushed through parliament) that all people would back up shark mitigation processes. To make that conclusion just shows me that you are quit ill informed.
Also looking at QLD and NSW there is no proof that the baited drum lines are an effective measure. There are also not there only strategies to avoid shark incidents. To complete their program they also use shark-nets and rock pools in highly populated areas. You are right they have a lower number in shark incidents then we have in WA but they also still have a greater food source for large fish available then WA. This refers to catch numbers from pro fisherman in the Indian Ocean from the 1970’s to the 2000’s. What I am saying is there is not one single reason why we have more incidents then the eastern states but there must be also more than only one solution to the issue. And drum lining is just not it.
And the Tasmanian unemployment issue also shows that just strong commercial fishing is not the solution. But looking at the current project for commercial salmon farming from Tassal, Huon Aquaculture and Petuna's shows that commercial fishing can be done in a sustainable manner. If the planned extension goes ahead that will create more employment for the future. Projects like that require to be supported, also they still require to put in some more research in providing a food source other than wild pilchard. On the other hand that the Australian population stopped the FV Margiris shows that not everyone puts employment above unsustainable fishery.
To your last statement I do love fishing, why would I be member of this forum if I wouldn’t, and I do not want the right to fish to be taken away. But the fishing needs regulations to protect our resources. And I don’t know if you ever left Australia but if you would have you would know that the fishing here is barely regulated at all. If you go to Europe or America there you find heavy regulated fishing. So thinking the few rules we have here are a problem is just another sign of ignorance.
hooty
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Aside from the point your
Aside from the point your science is lacking and examples poor, all I have to say is I totally agree with Chris. Maybe Adam can add an auto eject tab next to the search tab.
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And that coming from the guy
And that coming from the guy who's only points are the unemployment in Tassi and the baited drum lines over east. No quotes or references only free standing statements. And then you expect me to write a full report using the correct quoting and referencing system?
Anyway I that's me done with this thread!
hooty
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Heres a fact. Qld and NSW use
Heres a proven fact. Qld and NSW use drumlines and nets (very few rock pools and none in QLD from memory). In areas that use this approach it has been statistcally proven to decrease shark attack deaths signifiacntly. Conclusion - WA should trial such methods and provide research and results on the practice.
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How many pro fishers in WA
How many pro fishers in WA 1970s-2000 compared with Qld-Nsw to say that there more bigger fish. A factor to be considered. Hence the coast line of WA.
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Arrogant , disrespectful
Arrogant , disrespectful little turd who needs to learn some manners .. I would expect the majority to agree with that , regardless of their veiwpoint regarding the Op's subject .. Admin made it clear , the stuff your dishing up wasn't to be tolerated , here's hoping you get culled . I presume your pee'd off because you didn't get a new pushbike for xmas .
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Sea Shepherd
Like most of the protest groups, they use proffesional protesters to raise funds, usually found at backpacker hostels. They have no idea of local issues only the information fed to them by the organisation. If you have a desire to donate funds to a worthwile cause steer clear of anyone who doesn't have local knowledge, they are corporate fundraisers for dodgy funds and are being paid a percentage of the take.
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Spot on
just a bunch of brain dead do gooders looking to fill they're pockets with no idea about the issues they're protesting about.
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Out in the open aalfred .....
Well, as I have never tried to quantify clever, I'm not sure how clever I am. So I am not sure how appropriate it is for me to post any more.
It seems aalfred deems "clever" a requirment to post.
I will post, at the risk of being bantered to death by an ill mannered do gooder.
Your post attack on Carnarvonite is (and shall remain) inappropriate, unjustified and just plain rude.
aalfred, stay off FW.
Its seems remarkable that doo-gooders always resort to hatred when someone doesn't give a shit if a Great White dies. Or a tree gets cut down, or anyother idea they might have pop into their head.
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Refer to my reply to willow
Refer to my reply to willow that my original post was not aimed at carnavonite.
It was aimed at the author of this thread.
And people like you resort to hatred when a surfer dies by an animal what just does what its ment to do, eat!
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Do us all a favour and buy
Do us all a favour and buy yourself a surfboard then, Friday Fuckwit.
You call yourself educated, you can't even spell Alfred correctly,
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Have u ever smacked a fly,
aalfred, have u ever smacked a fly, thats only doing what its suppose to do, oh wait thats what your doing pissing everyone off, pests.
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Bingo. Where are the
Bingo. Where are the protesters when mozzies are sprayed?
Selected protests to create the most hype.
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And that makes it ok? Just so
And that makes it ok?
Just so you know petermac is a helpful and valuable part of the fishwrecked community.
Personal attacks will be treated as such .......PERSONAL
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You should see what's in my
You should see what's in my inbox.
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thought u where
done with thread..l.o.l. poor sharks
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Pretty sure
Pretty sure all petermac said was that there were people asking for donations that were not even sure where or how the money was going to be used.
Not really sure how or why all this other crap stratrd but i wish there was a "block" button cause there are some absulute fuktards on here.
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AT the start.
AT the start.
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Rough language .......
not wanting to be the fun police (I'll leave that to the tree huggers), but I thought Adam saked everyone to be more careful with swearing especially while it was school holidays.
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Oh sorry i said the p word.
Oh sorry i said the p word. im bad. oh yeh it is a bit windy."rough language" lol.
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Ah here's the Christmas Spirit
Plenty of strong opinions. Plenty of name calling. We're in for another great year. God bless us one & all.
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Adds a bit of colour instead
Adds a bit of colour instead of plain old black n white.
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Sea Shepherd have gone down
Sea Shepherd have gone down the save the shark path. Japan are verging on close to stopping their whaling program.
Shepherd is looking for something to do.
Unfortunately most of the commentators are not local to Western Australia. Even Perth people are to some degree distance from how common events are occurring around the capes, Busselton etc.
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THATS y we listen to u
THATS y we listen to u kevin, not.
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do you think anyone is listening to you?
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bit rough retracted.
bit rough retracted.
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Axey45 has been a member for
Axey45 has been a member for 4 weeks
Angling tourism is worth $10 billion to the Australian economy - 90000 jobs; more than any sport; spread the word
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Well that's one bag of
Well that's one bag of popcorn gone. Anyone been fishing?
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He he he that's gold Sea-kem!
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I'm with Carnarvonite - any
I'm with Carnarvonite - any respect I had (and donations) for green groups of any sort went out the door a long while back. Pity some groups do some good but they do plenty of things out of ignorance as well. I rarely donate to any charity anymore for a few reasons below.
You'd be surprised to know where your money actually goes - Have a look for annual reports of how charities (not only green groups) spend donations collected - worth having a look - a fair few were using more then 50% of donations for "marketing purposes" (which I assume includes wages) and have almost become a commercial entity to themselves. Your money generally isn't being used for what they claim (at the collection point).
You'd also be surprised as to how some research charities are aligned to certain companies which would be considered a conflict of interest by many including me (and I'm talking non-green charities and not referring to PEW being aligned to an oil company).
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Yep, I have also had my
Yep, I have also had my Goldie's rejected by a mob that wanted monthly donations.
I didn't invoice them for my time.
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Had the Red Cross
Had the Red Cross canavassing out the front of our lunchbar doing the same thing for a monthly direct debit. I emailed them and said they should be ashamed of themselves for their crass tactics.
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Yep
Yep , have had quite a few charity's etc drop into work this year asking for donations, offer a small amount only to be rejected because the want ongoing monthly credit card debits.
I'm quite happy to help some worthy causes, but never help any green or animal right groups.
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we sponserd a girl from peru from 9 to 13 yoa
got a few pics and things, then when we recieved an email to say you could contact her by email, when we tried we were told she had shifted towns and couldn't be contacted as she was no longer in the scheme??????
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saltatrix
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Many Green group collectors
Many Green group collectors are contractors.
The contractors need ongoing credit card deductions 'to sign you up' as gold coins don't count.
While I agree there is some people with good intentions on the ground, when you research the bigger picture from multiple sources money comes from multi-billion dollar entities for different reasons.
Some groups are extremists removing basic rights from the greater population bestowing their views on you. Like PETA thinking you shouldn't eat meat.
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Hooray!
Yesterday after posting in this thread, I was having a snooze on the couch watching the Ashes and had a knock at the door. I open it to see someone for Mission Australia in a bright pink shirt. Straight off the bat hes into his spiel and I say 'Mate I'm not interested". He tries again, I put my hand up and say 'Mate I'm not interested'. Third time lucky hes into it once more, 'Not Interested'. Then he has the gall to go 'Well, I just thought you might care about homeless kids, its only a few bucks', For crying out loud 'NOT INTERESTED' and slammed the door in his face.
He was pretty lucky I didnt really lose it and stand there tearing strips off him and Mission Aus for their fundraising practises.