Shark Attack

Down at Gracetown, surfer being flown to Perth as we speak, Unsure of what shark involved, but there were lots of witnesses.

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Surf comp

Mon, 2018-04-16 10:21

Down there ATM I think. Not good

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story at news.com.au

Mon, 2018-04-16 10:27

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Mon, 2018-04-16 10:26

 Yeah, that’s been suspended, rescue chopper went over Rockingham with the victim just 5 minutes ago, so they’ve gotten him to hospital pretty quick.

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This shark situation is out

Mon, 2018-04-16 10:51

This shark situation is out of control!

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That's again too close to

Mon, 2018-04-16 12:44

That's again too close to home for me....

I'm fortunately away at work otherwise I woulda been there somewhere, I hope this fella is ok!!

Going to get max publicity this one!

Merman you'd better get your shark hugging suit on dude and get out there.....

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There has been a second one

Mon, 2018-04-16 16:06

 Also at Gracetown, only hours later. Sounds like it got more of the board than the surfer in this case. 

Shark probably is misunderstood and just needs a big hug.

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2 other 1 as well

Mon, 2018-04-16 16:06

 I just heard there has been 1 more aswell  this arvo at  lefties ... on perth now ..

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Two attacks within miles of each other

Mon, 2018-04-16 16:07

 Dive shops closing, how much more does this government need before taking action 

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Too many fucking greenie do

Mon, 2018-04-16 16:43

Too many fucking greenie do gooders for any government too do anything because a life is not as important as a vote.. Hope all is well

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Where they wearing shark shields

Mon, 2018-04-16 17:17

Here we go again, kill all the sharks drain the oceans the sky is about to fall down.

Whats on the go at the moment, salmon schools that's what, and what do large sharks eat, that's right salmon, if you go surfing over reef which just so happens to be the number one haunt of schools of salmon then pursuing your sport could be risky.

What about mitigating the risk some what, do you wear a shark shield,. which we the taxpayers are subsidising to reduce the risk while you enjoy your sport. And before anyone goes off their trolley about how useless they are they are a lot better than nothing, and what about the colour of the wet suits we wear black, Hmmm perhaps a bit seal looking one could say.
Take a bit of responsibility for your actions and safety people.

Now just to set things straight, no I'm not a rabid tree hugger or vegan or anything else that doesn't believe in reducing the threat by culling, just in this case I think a bit of cold mature looking at the situation and adopting a bit of passive protection would help.
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Whale Carcass

Mon, 2018-04-16 17:22

 So a whale carcass washes up at the beach next door (Lefty’s) and the whole area is closed but this 2nd guy who gets hit is out in the water by himself at a closed beach , even with them patrolling the area AND after this mornings attack including a 4.5m White sighting with fisheries discolosing everything ....

 

Darwin awards candidate...

 

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Must admit

Mon, 2018-04-16 17:23

Never seen whites follow salmon. Only bronzies, anyway I think they need to do something.

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I’ve seen a few

Mon, 2018-04-16 19:33

Fishing around Mewstone a couple of years ago for salmon.  Had a white follow a fish right up to the boat and lunge as we got the fish in the net, maybe about 2.5-3m.

Same location, later the same day, angler had a fish on, fighting for about ten minutes when the line pinged and broke.  Looked down line a saw a large shape in the water.  Backed up to it until it was sitting broadside across the transom, it extended easily half a metre either side of the transom, making it around 4-4.5m.

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 Can't believe some people

Mon, 2018-04-16 17:49

 Can't believe some people think that humans are so precious that 3mtr plus white sharks wouldn't predat on them purposely  they are not mixing us up with seals or  salmon there finding a new prey and sussing it out there will only be more attacks if the numbers aren't brought down and the remainder get a education not to f$ck with us.

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Old mate

Mon, 2018-04-16 19:15

 Old mate with the red board has no idea how to identify sharks. The bite mark on his board looks nothing like a white shark bite. Bull or tiger maybe, not a white. I'm also confused about how there can be a full bite mark on his board and only a nibble on his knee?

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Strange isn't it

Tue, 2018-04-17 17:51

Shark with a bite radius like that shown on the red board would be one hell of a size shark in my experience.

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Darwin award for sure on the second attack

Mon, 2018-04-16 19:19

So Lefties/Umbies has had fatal attacks in 2004 and 2013, a dead beaked whale is reported on the beach at 9:30 this morning,a 4m shark is reported on sharkwatch at the beach around 10am. This beach and nearby beaches are closed and signposted due to this mornings attack, but the sharkwatch site notes:
"Officers patrolling waters and beaches today have advised that up to 10 surfers at various breaks chose to ignore the closure signage, verbal warnings, and advice issued through SharkSmart and SLSWA Twitter, and remained in the water."

Someone decides to have a surf anyway and gets attacked.
?Oh - Must be the government's problem?

Note - nearby Hamelin bay area has had a shark advice and beach closure up to Bob's Hollow since the 12th due to the recent "whale strandings". One of the reasons for all the jetskis and the drone at the big surf event

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 Yep that's the knee jerk

Mon, 2018-04-16 20:36

 Yep that's the knee jerk generic response of most punters, blame the gov without educating themselves.

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Yep

Mon, 2018-04-16 19:33

 Not feeling so sorry for number 2, just crazy after being warned. Lucky to have legs left.

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 not good for them that got

Mon, 2018-04-16 19:42

 not good for them that got git. when a warning goes out and some chose to ignore the warning is crazy. the sharks are only doing what comes naturally, looking for a feed not playing. we go out fishing and shooting for sport and a feed , does that make us better than them , were only doing what come natural , hunter gatherer . 

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Lol just seen number 2 video

Mon, 2018-04-16 21:36

Seems to be honest ( didn't know). Why can't they trial orca sounds surely be effective. In swim areas ( surfing areas ect). Only thing whites fear. Worth a shot. Keeps greens happy. They can record sounds underwater. Why not try transmit them underwater,

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 Ive met and surfed with 

Mon, 2018-04-16 22:14

 Ive met and surfed with  that guy a few times in Exmouth.  He aint quite right in the head.  He would of known the beach was closed.  At least this may stop other idiots surfing when beaches are closed. 

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 It's a long walk back from

Tue, 2018-04-17 00:59

 It's a long walk back from Lefties missing a couple of legs.  Old China was very very lucky.  Dumb luck I'd call it. 

Zoom you sound as though you're a bit of an expert.  Could it have been a hammer or thrasher or possibly a gummy? 

Megladon you also sounds like quite the expert.  

Do u wear a helmet when u drive?  Surely you must. Surely you should,   The experts would say you should.  

What colour wetsuit do white pointers like/dislike the most? 

Considering a surfers board is in the water the whole time and is white ( usually)  compared with legs and arms that are NOT always below the water the whole seal looking thing doesn't stack up. 

Sure a body boarder looks like a fat turtle thing but not so much a surfer. 

I also don't believe white sharks Specifically follow salmon schools but no doubt they are turning up in numbers with the ramp up of the whale migration. 

Solution? 

Fuck knows.  

Let's just close all the beaches shall we. 

For those that read the article Hezzy posted on estimated white numbers I'm expecting attacks to increase significantly in the coming years.  As the juvi's mature and move onto mammals for tucker the attack rate will increase.  Not something I'm looking forward to. 

 

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 No expert bigger than you

Tue, 2018-04-17 07:32

 No expert bigger than you Timboon 

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"Do u wear a helmet when u

Tue, 2018-04-17 09:35

"Do u wear a helmet when u drive?  Surely you must. Surely you should,   The experts would say you should."

That is a brilliant counter to the constant stream of victim blaming rhetoric we see on social media platforms after an attack. Well played indeed Boon.

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Too easy a solution. Gotta

Tue, 2018-04-17 10:25

Too easy a solution. Gotta keep those otherwise unemployable road safety muppets busy. 

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Whites on salmon schools

Tue, 2018-04-17 11:11

See my post above about whites following salmon schools, that was in 2015.

There was also the video footage going around in late 2014 when a couple of guys had a big white next to the boat while fishing for salmon near Mewstone. 

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Re colour of wetsuits,

Tue, 2018-04-17 12:11

Diving with Les Bail down Albany in the nineties, used to dive with a bright green and blue /white wetsuit with yellow fins. The fellow I was partnered with called me a Christmas tree, I looked at his black fins and wetsuit, commented he looked like a seal and was welcome to dive with me, sharks don't eat Christmas trees.
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well here is another article

Tue, 2018-04-17 12:18

well here is another article that says GW Are not on the increase in any big way

personally i doubt that , but im not a scientist , so my thoughts are worth bugger all really ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-09/great-white-shark-numbers-stable-drum-lines-ruled-out-wa/9415898

now here is another fact link re the fatal shark attacks in wa since records where kept

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_shark_attacks_in_Australia#Western_Australia

so if you look at the last one it shows wa had 4 shark attacks between 1967 to 2000, that4 in 33 years
then from 2000 to now we have had 15 fatal attacks ?? so why the big increase ?in that last 15-17 years ??

its ok to say the population has grown , more people are swimming or using the ocean ... but what was the population in say 1995 in wa ?? well it was 1.74 million , by 2015 it was 2.59 million apparently ...so an additional 850 000 odd people living here and swimming here blah , blah blah ...... but in that 20 years we had 12 fatal shark attacks .is that not a significant increase .. that must make the everage punter question GW numbers rising in that time ,,, givne they where protected since 1991 ..the time line of GW being protected and their continued offspring maturing into perfect hunter killers , the average bear would ask does the time line for both increase in attacks and population growth/water users, and maturing sharks look a little out of whack with a spike in attacks since 2000 ??

the population has grown , but the % of people in that growth number of 850k who may be water users is not any greater than the decades before hand when shark attacks did not rise so quickly ... it has a direct comparison rate to sharks being protected & their numbers growing , contrary to what the ''science ''may wish us to believe imo

this is the dilemma no gov or entity has the answers for at present .... it will continue to rise as the mature sharks need space and food , and we are on the menu regarldess of shark shields or other mitigating factors , being worn etc imo as you wont get everyone to comply all of the time

is suggest they build some more enclosed swimming areas for peeps to use , surfers/divers are much harder to corral in one area

just some thoughts

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Depends who did the study and

Tue, 2018-04-17 13:10

Depends who did the study and what result they where looking to achieve Hezzy. The ABC news will be biased towards the greens and labour. We are seeing a huge rise in the amount of sharks up here over the last 5 years and are finding they are well tuned into boats and becoming a pain in the arse. Luckily we don't see whites.

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 Thanks for the compliment

Tue, 2018-04-17 14:40

 Thanks for the compliment Zoom, 

 

I'm just curious as to why/how you would assume ( i'm assuming you assumed the way you came across ) that A - it was not a white and B - how unusual it is his board was bitten but he was barely touched?

 

Although you may think i am an expert Zoom in fact i am far from it, owever with the experience i do have under my belt i wouldnt go on the record stating that its not such n such a species and it is in fact another especially without having the board in my hands to have a decent look...

 

I grew up in South Oz, lots of jaws on lotsa walls, i've read every attack story in the past twenty years thats been printed but there is no way i could confidently state what sort of shark i thought had a go at bozo's board while he was foolishly surfing at Leftys near the carcass...

 

What i have done however is put two n two together, 4.5mtr white attacks Alex at Cobbles, lots of blood in water but doesnt get a feed, buggers off down the coasti'd say a bit fired upand walla there is old Brains sitting all by himself afew hundred metres from attack 1.

 

Wham has a go, Brains is however very very lucky that the shark has hit him side on and got a gob full of foam and fibre glass,  Brains does the smartest thing he's done all day and heads to the dunes to empty the wetsuit full of shit that he no doubt had....

 

To add to that theory, John John getting buzzed and sending his drone up to see another 2 whites tells me that there is a VERY VERY good chance that if Bozo said he thought he was attacked by a white then blow me down with a feather - It actually could have been...

 

Sorry to ruin your conspiracy Zoom...

 

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Blah blah

Tue, 2018-04-17 19:13

 Was there anything important in your drivel? Couldn't be bothered to read it. 

Any wonder it's windy where you are 

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Put this up for a Pulitzer

Wed, 2018-04-18 08:07

Put this up for a Pulitzer Prize???

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 Gday Lindsay, If it makes

Tue, 2018-04-17 14:46

 Gday Lindsay,

 

If it makes you feel safer putting the chrissy tree outfit on for a dive then go for it but i've heard Yellow is not a wise choice in board colour, Brains had a bright red board....

 

I'm not sold on the colour thing but what ever makes people feel safer i spose...

 

Back to the salmon thing, I'm not saying they dont follow schools of Salmon, of course they do!!

 

Fish/sharks follow fish simple but....

 

If that was the case that Whites turn up because of the salmon then surely when there is a 30-50 T school of Salmon slowly migrating up the coast then Whites shouldbe present often and from all the ariel pics and footage we see nowadays that doesnt seem to be the case...

 

Bronzies, yep shit loads of em.....

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Prey

Tue, 2018-04-17 15:38

Was always under the impression that GW's start on fish and progress to larger prey (seals, whales, etc.) as they grow themselves.

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Went and watched the sunset

Wed, 2018-04-18 07:37

Went and watched the sunset at Gas Bay off Gnarabup that afternoon and there was at least 20 - 30 surfers out at each point - some still out 30 minutes after sunset.

Ya go in the water you take a risk. 

Just exactly how many sharks do you want killed before you'll feel safe FFS?

 

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well said

Wed, 2018-04-18 07:57

 well said red dog !

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Somewhere back to around the

Wed, 2018-04-18 08:10

Somewhere back to around the level of the mid 90's would be mint. Only problem is that we don't know what that number is and neither did the government before bowing down to the greenies and making them protected.

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Imagine the terror

Wed, 2018-04-18 08:11

 Of it coming back 3 times.

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Margies Cancelled

Wed, 2018-04-18 08:45

 How will the government spin this?

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Wed, 2018-04-18 09:09

 Yeah, a couple of things have contributed to it also I think, and it’s not just the shark attacks. They’ve been saying all week the finals will be on this coming weekend and the weather is going to turn to shite. So that would have been the final straw.

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The only thing that can save

Wed, 2018-04-18 10:39

The only thing that can save WA tourism is an Oprah Winfrey quokka selfie

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Or

Wed, 2018-04-18 11:12

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Forecast

Wed, 2018-04-18 09:22

You're right it is rubbish for sure, but they've surfed comps in onshore rubbish plently of times. Think about the crap they surf at Rio.

The douche you paddled out at lefties after the first attack sealed it...

1 year to run on the contract for this comp and then i'd say it's probably done for. 

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This government only gives a

Wed, 2018-04-18 11:55

This government only gives a shit about tourism in Perth anyway, do you think they give a shit about the rest of the state.

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Thu, 2018-04-19 01:09

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Hey Meg, what's you thoughts

Thu, 2018-04-19 07:39

Hey Meg, what's you thoughts on the fogging of mosquitos down your way when mosquito numbers get out of control or the risk of contracting ross river virus is very high?

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Risk mitigation

Thu, 2018-04-19 21:10

Jack,
even if they do a bit of fogging, it doesn't mean that it will be totally safe for you and Meg to make-up by doing a naked dance together at dawn and dusk near the mosquito swamp.
You'll still have to take some personal responsibility by putting some insect repellant on, and it would be better to avoid the busy mosquito times.

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Don't go in the water

Thu, 2018-04-19 21:36

Sorry, I meant don't go out side after 1700hrs when the mossies are as thick as and as big as.
If you do and you get a dose of ross River who are you going to blame, the council is doing all it can ie: spraying etc and then it warns the local populace that the mossies are at there worst just on sun set. Now if you want to dis regard their advice go right ahead and venture out in your shorts and short sleeves.

But don't say you were not warned of the danger then want every living mossies dead, its not going to happen take responsibility for your own health cover up if you must go out side (buy a shark shield and give yourself a chance)

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ok ill pose the question for

Fri, 2018-04-20 09:20

ok ill pose the question for a laugh

what if the mossies where not sprayed at all anywhere by anyone , ??

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Hezzy gets it

Fri, 2018-04-20 11:41

I'll pose a further question. What is the govt stopped spraying mozzies and the cases of ross river increased 3 fold?

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 Also Meg as you say the

Fri, 2018-04-20 19:26

 Also Meg as you say the council are doing all they can . Or are they thats my point.

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Close to Darwin Award for the first attack too?

Thu, 2018-04-19 20:56

I've just read today's West - it appears that the first attack victim had been forced out of the water earlier that morning due to a shark sighting, but after an hour on the beach some of the surfers went back into the water at the same break "thinking that it had gone away and that because it had not been aggressive earlier it was likely not hungry". They had been back in the water just a few minutes when the attack occurred.

If there's a big shark sighted (even if it had been the only one within a hundred kilometers after "proposed culls/smart buoys" etc.) and you get into the water within an hour of sighting it, who is responsible for not mitigating the risk?

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It'll never happen to me

Fri, 2018-04-20 07:12

 Gotta have a go.

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 The council are spraying

Thu, 2018-04-19 22:48

 The council are spraying doing what they can to mitigate the problem  sounds like a cull to me same as needs doing to the white shark population gld were on the same page. 

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Fri, 2018-04-20 08:01

 

 after living down in dusnb for over 20yrs and surf,diving fishing all of them ,there has definately been a hug shark increase, everyone has there opinions so heres mine,

with all the "save the planet" changes happening i think we need to re introduce the shark fishing sector , i know john (carnarvonite used to do it here for years off the cape) 

they also banned commercial trawling throughout the cape/bay areas which took years and years for the bay to repair itself, not sure if it was scallops or fish but they drag the bottom and it was fucked, now the sea grass has grown back the seal numbers have increased, now theres always been a seal colony as long as i can remember at bunkers , back in the day we used to div e for abs and crays in there until my fin was grabbed by a seal freaked me out so never dived there again, i have also seen personally 2 whites near the cape, 1 of them actually rubbed itself along the hull of our ally boat , freaked everyone out on board, 

the seals frequently swim the bay even hang around the busso jetty now, hence the whites have been spotted so close in up at busso and abbey, 

i know a couple of mates had a seal jump out the water next to them at rocky point , it was being chased by a huge white as it flew past them , they were lucky but a few minutes later the bodyboarder around the corner at boneyards wasnt so lucky and he was taken, 

im not sure how long the seal colony have been at southpoint for but i do know it has been a number of years, i do remember when they were not there also, this obviously brings them to the cowaramup region with 3 attacks at lefthanders, 1 cobblestones and last year 3 brazilian tourists had a white chase a seal which was swimming around the surfers for protection at huzzas (southpoint)

i personally think we do need to limit the number of these whites however with all the food there (seal colonies etc) they will always come for a hunt, 

i think the drum lines were a waste catching loads of sharks but no whites, as this predator doesnt take a bait like the others , 

i have no idea about the smart drum lines as honestly i do not know what they are , 

its not only the southwest i have heard that noone really surfs cathedrals anymore , same deal , large seal colony and lots of whites, i think theres even a permanent camera there underwater to film them, 

in summary i think a sustained cull or fishing these could help , 

now the southwest seems to have lost the margaret river pro it will hurt the tourism dollar , this will probably kick the gov up the arse to do something, goes to show you its more about the dollar than lives these days which is sad,

this is not a debate just my thoughts , if it were that simple for an answer im sure we would have it now 

 

 

 

 

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 Well said Harro."this is not

Fri, 2018-04-20 09:57

 Well said Harro.

"this is not a debate just my thoughts, if it were that simple for an answer im sure we would have it now"

No-one really knows the answers but I think the majority want something more to be done than just subsidise some shark shields! Imagine as a tourist being told you should spend $600 or $700 to buy a shark shield to (hopefully) protect you against the growing number of great white encounters that are happening off our coast! You just ask the travel agent for another destination. Yes we have some brilliant surfing and diving but so do a lot of places.

I for one hope the government grabs a collective brain and does something meaningful and soon.

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harro i think you have

Fri, 2018-04-20 10:01

harro

i think you have summed up the changes pretty well over the last few decades , most locals would be sure the numbers of GW have increased and its not just due to the population having grown or water users increasing ,that people have that belief

my thoughts would be

growing up in busselton during the 60s 70s , we fished pretty much all the capes coast with the old man , beach , boat and some diving , i dont ever recall there being any seals either at bunkers/quarrys or south point , dad used to drive us down the side fence at cape nato lighthouse and down the hill , quite close to the lands end/subs lagoon and we would swim , dive in there on calm days , never any seals there never heard of any GW or sharks there etc

from cosy corner back to sugarloaf was the same , no one ever talked about GW sightings , it was rare big news in busso back in the day when a large GW was caught and brought in on a old truck for people to view outside the CBA bank in early 70s

south point is the armageddon shark alley imo , deep water drop off close in to the beaches /point there , seal colony close by ,it has imo all the geograpghy of a prime repeat attack site for anyone who swims or surfs there

one would suspect the tagging /tracking of the GW over time may well show a cyclical type route that they follow along the wa coast , stopping along at prior known food source loactions as they travel along our coast , the cape area is possibly a point like the whales where they track in close around the cape on there way north and south each year checking out the seals and any one/thing that looks /acts seal like

commercial shark netting is curently conducted along the coast there now and is quite active , its never been stoped there at all , however it has not prevented the ongoing GW attacks from the bouvards south where they demersal gill nett , main reason ebing the mesh sizes are too small 7''-9'' shark mesh does not easily gill or entangle large sharks over 3 metres ,
im sure carnarvonite can add to that , but big sharks would be much less of a catch if not non existant in commercial shark netting catches , according to their fisheries returns , they dont catch any as recorded by catch , so shark netting is not the answer imo all it will do is apease peoples emotions and remove small sharks and other scale fish , which is what they do now

we dont seem to have a population of small GW here that could be removed , just a migratory population of big hunter killers , paying a contracter 10 k day to run smart drum lines seems a useless waste of money imo ,
i would rather see charters /commercial shark fishers given a number of tags to remove large GW and pay a bounty per shark removed ..how they did that would be up to them

i would ban all shark cage diving right across australia , as i think they are definitly being taught to associate human activity with a potential food source

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agree hezzy

Fri, 2018-04-20 18:08

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 Yep get rid of the shark

Fri, 2018-04-20 14:57

 Yep get rid of the shark cage diving then start a seal cull...

 

Fuck the NZ fur seals off, throw the pups on a hook and take out as many whites as possible as soon as possible...

 

Use the left overs for cray bait ( save some salmon ) and make a few nice fur coats, i wouldnt even mind a fur seal ball bag warmer with winter on its way.... 

 

Not an opinion i had previously but until a non lethal alternative comes up fuck em off...

 

At some point we'll have to look at the hump back population but for now i dont want get the true waterman around here too fired up....

 

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/fur-seals-devastating-marine-ecosystem/news-story/9701e34dc9e2fedeb9cbd637f45a0e00

 

And a more detailed research paper in Fur Seal population

 

http://pir.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/232394/NZ_Fur_Seals_Survey_2013-14_Report_-_FINAL.pdf

 

 

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Good post hezzy

Fri, 2018-04-20 15:00

To me you make a lot of sound observations and your thoughts about mitigating the risk of GW attacks by a limited cull sounds a sound idea.
If the cull was restricted to a certain period of the year when GWs are most active along the coast, such as during the whale migrating period of our coast then perhaps it could would see the numbers of attacks reduced.
A certain number of tags could be issued to those willing to pay a fee and the tags would have to remain with the GW carcase as proof of it being taken with a tag/licence, this includes any part of the GW being retained as a trophy such as the jaws.
If the fee was significant, then those who have paid for the tags (which should be limited by fisheries) then the tag holders would have vested interest too see that anyone catching GWs without a tag are caught, as the tag holder is seeing tag fees being not paid by essentially thieving bastards such as we saw with the Shark Bay snapper fishery.
Sets of jaws being sold without the required tag should be fairly easy to police by fisheries. Would it stop completely pirate catches of GWs no but it would make it a risky undertaking if the deterrent penalties are sufficient like confiscation of boats etc a starting penalty point.

Am I being a hypocrite by now saying that I support a limited (repeat) culling of GWs, I don't think so, I see a valid opinion by Hezzy and I'm not that closed minded that I can't, won't, agree with a possible solution being put forward by others that allows a limited and controlled number of species being taken to reduce hopefully the risk to human life. The by-catch would be minimal IMO as the people with tags would be targeting a specific catch.

Now, I do not step back from my previous views that surfers (and I used to be one a great many years ago) should be doing more to protect themselves, get a shark shield, this not going to guarantee that you won't be attached but it will reduce the risk, just as a safety belt in a car won't guarantee you won't be in a car crash nor will air bags, these things are re-active devices where as shark shields are pro active. and have been shown to reduce the risk of being attacked.
Use common sense (which is a bit rare these days I find) if it's salmon season with big schools of fish moving up and down the coast be aware you are placing yourself in danger and you are not bullet proof' and yes I know that is an affront to some people.

Just my thoughts.

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Fri, 2018-04-20 15:54

As Harro and Hezzy have correctly stated, the numbers of seals in the Cape Naturaliste area have grown from nothing over the last 20 years to hundreds. [I first fished the area in 74 on a salmon team during school holidays and on and off as a pro and rec fisher until approx 10-12 years ago when I moved north permanently]

Whale numbers have gone through the roof from when you would be lucky to see one or two a season to an every day occurrence, with them and seals as the whites main source of food you have to expect to see more of them but in my opinion the numbers of whites are about the same, only everyone has a recording device to capture a pic of them when before it was only word of mouth that was often dismissed assomeone bullshitting as no proof could be offered.

 

 

 

When setting demersal shark net, on the end of every second net you hand a set of floats in case of a break off so you don't lose sections of net, it was common practice to hang a large bait off these floats and to set anchored drop lines to catch the bigger sharks to boost the kilos of meat but with changes in regulations on shark sizes this came to a stop not long after I left the area, One time I set 10 droplines west of Cape Naturaliste, next day I had 8, two had gone completely, not to be found even with 4 x 12 inch floats , result in 2 big bronzies, a big tiger and a dusky whaler, reset them and next day we were left with 4 , the others all gone and nothing to report , ok decided to add another 2 floats to each rig, didn't matter though because they disappeared the day after so gave up using droppies as a bad joke.

The number of times you pulled gear only to find 20 metres of net mssing, ropes still there but hangings torn away and net gone. In the time shark fishing down there I would say we saw whites about once every 5-6 weeks on average, including once about 200 metres off 3 Bears surfing spot just south of Sugarloaf Rock when there was a heap of surfers in the water, called out to them but our warning was ignored as a false alarm

 

 

Policing the taking of whites jaws if a licenced fishery was established would be near on impossible to enforce because they are so valuable that someone will hand over big money just to have a set hanging on the wall of his man cave regardless. The going price used that was on offer if we got one was around $10K and that wasn't for a huge set'

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Harro and Hezzy, I agree

Fri, 2018-04-20 16:13

Harro and Hezzy,
I agree with you both on a lot of points.
My gripe is with the "the government should do something about it" and the "cull them all" type comments.

I think that there are certain points on the South and South-West coast that will always be "Hot-spots" for large Whites no matter what the overall White population is. e.g. Spots around Esperence, Albany and Gracetown. As Hezzy says "deep water drop off close in to beaches/point, seal colony close by, a likely close in travel/migration route, with a history of white sightings.(A few hotspots around Perth and Leeman for Divers too). These sorts of location are known and studied in other places (Spots in Sth Effrica, West Coast Nth America, Sth Oz.)

WA stands out in the Australian statistics because of more fatalities - ?bigger sharks, more remote locations, longer response by paramedics?. There are actually more attacks in NSW and Qld, despite all their "mitigation", just fewer fatalities over there. They have had peaks in their fatalities too - the first mitigation strategy in NSW (as a result of a spike in fatalities) between 1918 and 1929 was 10 quid fines for people who were swimming at dawn and dusk and going >50 yards offshore.

I remember fishing from tinnies in Perth as a kid when safety gear was a pair of oars and a lifejacket, and the forecast was looking at the newspaper weather synopsis chart to work out the likely winds. Nowadays due to availability/affordability I'm happy to fork out for EPIRB, radio(s), flares etc. , avail myself of multiple forecast options on the internet, and register(pay) with local volley sea-rescue. What are the whinging surfers doing?

I'm happy for metro beaches to have shark-barriers, aerial patrols, Clubby-Patrolled beaches etc. part government funded (not that it will always work for the dawn and dusk offshore swimmers.)

For surfers who want to go offshore in White hotspots I'd be a lot happier if their response was: "we've organized ourselves so that we've got a shore-based volley spotter in an elevated location (?with a drone?) a minimum of 4 people in the water, all with shark shields, we only enter the water at least an hour after dawn and an hour before dusk, we've also got a sat-phone in areas of poor mobile reception, and a First aid kit/training to treat major shark-bite trauma, we also check Sharkwatch regularly during the day (and don't enter the water on a day with a reported white sighting at our location, or on multiple occasions over the days immediately prior to our surf) and we have started a local campaign to promote people reporting sightings. However, we'd like government support to........"

I know it will require them to talk to each other and get themselves organized, and they will have to shell out a few bucks for safety-gear, rather than new boards, vegan restaurant meals, and this year's surf-fashion, but if they want to surf the remoter/wilder locations then surely it's worth it to them? If it's not worth anything to them, then I'm not interested in subsidizing them. If they do their bit then I'm happy to hear what else they want support with.

I think that the first step is to really push the Sharkwatch site to promote the need for people to report all White sightings. I'm guilty here, last month there were repeated sightings by locals of a 4m white in a Bay frequented by surfers over a couple of weeks - I never checked the site to see if the locals were reporting on it (although I mentioned it to locals going for a surf.)
It's the same spot that I stopped swimming out to, 200m from shore, to freedive for big Abs after a double kayak got nibbled on a few years back. (Not sure how much reporting goes on for divers etc. during those periods when a white is hanging out at ffb, or in the Sound). If nothing else, a push for much more comprehensive reporting would at least give a bit more evidence of what's happening, and when, with regards to White sightings.

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And the bottom line being

Fri, 2018-04-20 18:01

Take a bit of responsibility for your own safety and stop winging we want the government to do/pay for everything.
If you are willing to pay 55 - 60 cents in the dollar I'm sure the government could fund more nets etc, hey what about a tax on all new surf boards and wet suits to raise funds for active GW protection.

The surf every day wingers do pay tax don't they, and I'm sure that those of us who have worked bloody hard for a long time wouldn't mind if the tax on our super went to 55 - 60 cents in the dollar to support their surfing life.

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 I just want the government

Fri, 2018-04-20 18:20

 I just want the government to take the protection status they put on them off problem will sort its self in time then..

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Fri, 2018-04-20 18:45

 Here’s a good story and asks what most of us are thinking.

 

http://www.watoday.com.au/comment/funky-cold-medina-surfers-wipe-out-on-shark-fears-at-margaret-river-pro-20180420-p4zatm.html

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So have I got this straight

Fri, 2018-04-20 23:30

The first guy that was bitten left the water because of the shark sighting, then after a short break went back into the water. If that is so I missed that when I first heard on the news ch7 about the attacks.

Number 1 victim leaves water because of big shark sighting, returns short time later gets bitten, second victim enters water after being told of attach just up the road and then he gets bitten.
If that is the basic facts about this whole incident, the west Australian news paper then makes 5 pages of crap out of it.

IMO those 2 bloody fools ignored all the warnings and entered the water, how arrogant, look for trouble and you will surely find it people. I feel sorry for Margret River they may have lost a great surfing event because of 2 stupid people.

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Sat, 2018-04-21 07:36

 Maybe this guy has actually gone and done his homework. Channel Basil would have just looked to sensationalise it as much as they can.

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 Time to reduce their numbers

Fri, 2018-04-20 22:24

 Time to reduce their numbers a little bit

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Most of us know the risks we are taking down here!

Sat, 2018-04-21 01:40

 Hahaha i surfed just north of gracetown twice for seven hours in total on monday AFTER i heard about the first attack. I knew the risks i was taking and i gladly accepted. I would have done the same thing alejandro did because I love surfing but that comes with risks. So be it if i get attacked, im playing in their backyard. Does that make me a fool for trying to something that I love!

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Nothing will

Sat, 2018-04-21 10:42

Be done until child is taken.( hope this never happens). Shark shields won't stop shark in attack mode. Pretty sure one of the abalone dives years ago had 4 of them ,on and around him. Didn't stop him unfortunately from being taken. The ones some schools are useing to protect learner divers wrist banned ones , I don't think they would do much. No one expects to get attacked by whites , eveyone knows there is risks in swimming, diving and surfing. But we don't stop doing what we love. If people die in certain parts on roads , they black spot it and try rectify that part of road. Dog attacks someone on its own property it gets shot. time for a few to go imo .

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Bravo Johnny bravo... Wild

Sat, 2018-04-21 15:07

Bravo Johnny bravo...

Wild dogs are getting culled
Koalas are getting culled
Starlings
Ducks
Kangaroos
Cane Toads
Crocs
Camels
Donkeys
Deer
Pigs
Goats
Buffalo
Wild Horses
The very very long list goes on and on....

Millions of Sharks are killed each and every year for human consumption but not old Mr White...

We're a funny lot aint we....

Like Frost pointed out, the poor old Mosquito is minding his own business biting a few punters that wanted the canal lifestyle thing in Mandurah and they go all Syria on them...WTF poor old Mozzie

Old Mr White causes havoc but he's too cute and cuddly to get rid of...

Makes absolutely no sense....

For those in favour of a no cull I hope you make as much noise about all of the above species also!!!!!

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Some Balance

Sat, 2018-04-21 16:15

Your list is comprised almost entirely of introduced species that have become invasive.

It is true that a number of Koalas were euthanased, due to overpopulation and starvation.

Both species of crocodiles are protected across Australia, as far as I'm aware. This legislation was put in place after they were hunted to the brink of extinction.

'Old Mr White' is neither cute nor cuddly. It is an apex predator. Apex predators are enormously important to the health of an ecosystem. The health of the very ecosystem that is loved and appreciated by you, me and everyone else that frequents this forum.

I am very comfortable with the reduction in numbers of the invasive species that you listed. They dont belong here. The Great White Shark does belong here. Let the ocean... not us... dictate their numbers.

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Agree

Sat, 2018-04-21 16:34

Have to say, I agree with you Lango. I am personally against culling whites at this point in time, but just because someone is against culling does not mean they are tree hugging greenies even though that is the common assumption. The reason I am against culling at this point in time is because there have not been enough research done to adequately demonstrate that culling whites will be sustainable for the marine ecosystem as well as sufficiently reduce the risk of shark attacks. Once the research is done and this can be adequately demonstrated then I will personally support culling whites. You hit the nail on the head with the apex predator, you cannot start culling whites left right and center to hopefully prevent further attacks. That sort of knee jerk reaction is how we ended up with cane toads in Aus in the first place. If Government needs to do anything then they need to fund robust and unbiased research into a culling program.

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 New Zealand fur seals don’t

Sat, 2018-04-21 19:14

 New Zealand fur seals don’t belong here

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New Zealand Fur Seal

Sat, 2018-04-21 23:27

I'm not sure what your point is, but the New Zealand Fur Seal (also known as the Australasian Fur Seal) is a species that is native to the south coast, and south-west coast of Western Australia.

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lango , big crocs that have

Sat, 2018-04-21 20:29

lango , big crocs that have or are a danger to humans get removed and killed , even though there protected ..just watched a doc about a croc in a lagoon that was a popular tourist attraction in Kakadu , 4 metre croc that had not yet even seen a person was trapped , shot and removed ..

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Crocs

Sat, 2018-04-21 23:52

Hezzy... it is my understanding that crocs that are considered a threat are, wherever possible, captured and relocated to a safe area.

It's a shame that the croc you are referring to was destroyed - I can't imagine what the logic was behind that. Nevertheless, shooting a single crocodile hardly equates to the culling of Great White Sharks.

 

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croc was cut up as food for

Sun, 2018-04-22 08:04

croc was cut up as food for the local indigenous population , tail especially , all legs where removed to use as bait in feral pig traps ...

seemed a logical and practical reason to kill it to me , remove a threat , and don't waste the carcass , it was done by Kakadu rangers so the twin falls billabong could be opened for tourist season which the park relies on for revenue

I'm not particulary for or against a cull , same as john , but I am against drum lines , smart or not and more demersal shark net being allowed to be used ,

and I'am positive GW numbers are on the increase , so imo the attacks will continue to rise , and that's not because of alack of fish , it is to the contrary imo that as whales, seals and fish numbers continue to increase here , GW will visit and stay longer in the lower wa coast and thus we will see more of the same

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 They actually do the same

Sun, 2018-04-22 11:52

 They actually do the same thing in Africa with Elephants too Hezzy. Certain amount of game hunting allowed and they are then given to local villages for consumption. It amazes me when pic are put up on social media with a hunter/elephant pic and every uneducated munbean goes crazy about the injustice without even looking into it. I agree with all your previous comments regarding professional or charter captures in certain areas and piss off the shark cages. 

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well said

Tue, 2018-04-24 17:49

 there you go, we cull everything for different reasons, i agree and think we have a good friggin reason to cull whites also ,

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Sat, 2018-04-21 21:00

The main reason why so many people are up in arms about shark attacks is that the victim gets eaten there and them and that horrifies them. Unlike car accidents where the victim gets mangled and there is a body to show for it, most times with a shark attack there is nothing left to recover.

 

Myself, I am not against a cull, but to do it and not just do it to appease the screaming hordes.

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Wed, 2018-04-25 16:33

https://www.busseltonmail.com.au/story/5360747/surfer-swiped-by-shark-tail-at-gracetown/

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Yesterday at 09:30 ·
A shark warning has been issued for the waters between North Point and South Point at Gracetown, in the Shire of Augusta-Margaret River, after an interaction with a shark.
A 3.5 metre shark (unknown species) swiped a surfer with its tail around 5.30pm on Monday afternoon, the surfer did not sustain any injuries.
UPDATE 12pm: Gracetown beaches have been closed from 10am this morning (Tuesday, April 24) until at least 6pm Thursday, April 26.
The closure encompasses beaches from Ellensbrook in the south to North Point in the north, and extends from the shoreline to two kilometres out to sea.
10am The incident occurred approximately 15 metres offshore, near South Point. The surfer did not sustain any injuries.

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 Another one today. Might

Wed, 2018-04-25 17:29

 Another one today. Might have to cull a few surfers I think, looks like there is way too many of them interfering with the sharks.

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yeh this one

Wed, 2018-04-25 18:37

yeh this one

https://thewest.com.au/news/sharks/shark-warning-after-surfer-knocked-from-board-by-shark-in-margaret-river-ng-b88817265z

Shark warning after surfer ‘knocked’ from board by shark in Margaret River
Another surfer has been knocked off their board by a shark in the South West - the second incident in two days - prompting authorities to issue a shark warning for the area.
The man was paddling out at Surfers Point at Prevelly in Margaret River when a two-metre shark knocked him from his surfboard just before 1pm Wednesday.
The species of the shark is unknown. The surfer was not injured.

Fisheries WA are at the beach and are monitoring the situation.
Authorities closed beaches from North Point to Ellenbrook on Tuesday after a surfer was “swiped” by a 3.5 metre shark about 15 metres off Gracetown’s South Point.
The surfer was not hurt in the incident.
Later on Tuesday, beachgoers were ordered out of the water at Meelup Beach, north of Dunsborough after a 3.5 metre shark was spotted about 50 metres off shore.
Fisheries has advised people in the Prevelly area tp take additional caution. They have also warned to people to stay out of the water in area where beaches have been closed.
This latest incident comes just nine days after 37-year-old surfer Alejandro Travaglini was bitten on the legs by a shark off Gracetown’s Cobblestones Beach. He was discharged from hospital on crutches yesterday.
Hours later, 41-year-old Jason Longgrass received minor injuries after also being bitten by a shark at the nearby Lefthanders surf break.

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 Fisheries are at the  beach

Wed, 2018-04-25 21:22

 Fisheries are at the  beach monitoring it  what does that mean exactly stopping people entering the water or yelling at the sharks too stay away beyond a joke in my opinion. 

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You are responsable for your own destiny

Sat, 2018-04-28 23:22

As the premier has put it so clearly you enter the water at your own risk. To lessen the risk of shark attack you can get a subsidised shark shield, or not, choice is yours.

As a great person once said, this is not the end, nor is it the start, but it maybe the start of the end. Or similar words in our case this maybe the start of the end of the nanny state.
Apologies to Winston Churchill for stuffing up one of his famous speeches.

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Solitude

Wed, 2018-04-25 18:42

 I agree choc hahaha i might offer myself to the statistic board tomorrow.... will be good to hopefully have some waves to myself for once lol no one felt too easy down here surfing by themselves before these last few now it seems there are whispers of people not wanting to surf down here at all! You know what i say..... go back to Brazil you pussies!

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Thu, 2018-04-26 23:50

https://www.busseltonmail.com.au/story/5365383/shark-warning-issued-between-dunsborough-and-bunker-bay/?cs=5825

Shark warning issued between Dunsborough and Bunker Bay
A shark warning has been issued for waters between Dunsborough Beach to Bunker Bay, near the town of Dunsborough, after an increased number of reported shark sightings.
Situation:

In the past 10 days there have been 22 shark sightings in the area between Dunsborough Beach and Bunker bay in the town of Dunsborough.
Of these sightings eight of the sharks were reported to be larger than three metres.
On Wednesday, April 25 at 2:56pm, a 3.5 metre unknown species of shark was sighted at Bunker Bay.
On Tuesday, April 24, lifesavers reported a 2.5m unknown species of shark at Bunker Bay and a public report was received of a 3.5m white shark at Meelup Beach.
On Monday, April 23, a public report was received of an unknown species of shark, sighted at Bunker Bay and lifesavers reported two 3.5m unknown species of sharks at Castle Rock.
On Saturday, April 21, the Surf Lifesaving WA (SLSWA) helicopter reported 2 x 2.5m unknown species of sharks at Bunker Bay.
On Friday, April 20, the SLSWA helicopter reported a 2.5m unknown species of shark at Bunker Bay.
On Thursday, April 19, the SLSWA helicopter reported 5 x 2.5m unknown species of east of Bunker Bay and a public report was received of a 4.0m white shark 2km offshore from Dunsborough Beach.
On Wednesday April 18, the SLSWA helicopter sighted a 3.0m unknown species of shark Point Picquet and the helicopter spotted a 2.5m unknown species of shark east of Bunker Bay.
On April 16, a public report was received of a 3.0m tiger shark sighted at Bunker Bay, the SLSWA helicopter reported a 2.5m unknown species of shark at Bunker Bay Beach and a 4.0m tiger shark at Dunsborough and also a 3.0m tiger shark at Dunsborough Boat Ramp.
On April 15, the helicopter reported a 3.5m tiger shark at Dunsborough Boat Ramp.
It is possible that the frequency or duration of the recent reported sightings may increase the likelihood of encountering a shark in this area.
What to do:
Obey beach closures advised by Local Government Rangers or Surf Life Saving WA.
Take extra caution in the Dunsborough to Bunker Bay area.
Keep informed of the latest detection and sighting information by checking the SharkSmart website or Surf Life Saving WA’s Twitter feed.
If you see a shark, report it to Water Police on 9442 8600. All shark sighting information reported to Water Police is provided to response agencies and to the public on the SharkSmart website and Surf Life Saving WA Twitter feed.
What authorities are doing:
Fisheries officers from the Department of Primary Industries and Regional Development will continue to patrol this area and will monitor the situation. There will also be daily patrols over the area by the SLSWA helicopter.
Extra information:
It is not uncommon for sharks to be present off the coast throughout the year.
Keep informed of the latest detection and sighting information by checking the Shark Activity Map on the SharkSmart website – www.sharksmart.com.au/shark-activity or the Surf Life Saving WA Twitter – twitter.com/SLSWA.

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Mandurah , surfer knocked of

Sat, 2018-04-28 20:08

Mandurah , surfer knocked of his board

https://thewest.com.au/news/sharks/surfer-knocked-off-board-by-shark-at-gearys-beach-mandurah-ng-b88820127z

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OFW 11

evil flourishes when good men do nothing