me, what did I say? Never fished for bream, they arent really food =0

you asked for a report on how they worked. deep water soft plastic forum a week ago...

sent you a pm

damo

Ahh the slam baits, good to hear they work ok. I might have to give em a spin sometime!

Had a go out in 25m yesterday. very late start 11.30am due to kids sport comitments and only fished for an hour or so before the breeze came up, I was was fishing with my 12 year old daughter and it was getting a bit rough for her. Fished exclusively with SP and nada............... lost of few tails off the Jerkshads but they were onlt shitfish. I will persist with the SP and I am sur ethat they will come through. I used both the Gulp & Slam in 7" with  a 3/4" TT head with 7/0 hook.

and you shall prevail,

got slamed on the slam 3' minnow, white this time, down the blackwood.

just couldn't stop them before they snagged me.....

great fun though

Iv recently discovered the Squidgy pro range with the 'S' Factor additive and it is by far the best plastics i have used as of yet. The plastic is quite brittle itself but swims so brilliantly and gets hammered most casts. Another bonus is the S factor stuff i can put on my lures and other plastics (doubles the bites litterally).  

Other than that i like the manns plastics and atomic range. Gulp is ok but i only use the minnows 2" and 3" for tailor.

Anyone use squidgy pros?

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they are next on my list. just wanted to try the slam with all the hype and was somewhat suprised to find them in bunno so quickly so i grabbed a couple of packets.

I have only tested the the squidgy pro range worms but very brief test but will persist, support the locals...

I have a packet of the new atomic guzzlerz prong but not tested yet. look good but would work them real slow. best SP at last exmouth trip was atomic 7' jerkshad, dynamite in fact.  

gulp (IMO) outside the jerkshad/minnow range aren't made well (symetry) and thus dont sit square on the jighead, but i am ultra fussy at siting it straight to maximise performance. sandworm excluded for good reason.

have caught heaps of fish on the berkely bass minnow 4' even out wide. however I will mostly start with 5-7' SP. 

i do like the squidgy flickbaits though

Have not tried slam yet, What is the action like? I find gulp plastics hold quite well but are too stiff, more like stick baits unless its the minnows. The jerk shads are quite good in the 5" range but i prefer atomic when it comes to the jerk shads anyway.

What did you catch on the 7" jerk shad? i havnt tried that big yet, largest is 5" What action would you use on a large plastic? More eratic?

IF your gonna try the squidgy pro try the wrigglers in 2" or 3" They are brilliant. Great swimming action aswell.

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the slam work well, but Found you need to trim the nose, you will see the nose profile is different on each plastic (results from the mould process) but easy to trim. make sure they are striaght as some bend in packet and this affects swim. also dont dehydrate as this shrinks them markely and deforms them also. they need constant care/maintenance but easy to do.

they swim great and imitate a dying fish great. gota sit them dead straight on the jighead though as usual. I always swim mine by the boat before I throw them out. I give a couple of quick flicks but strenght i mix to imitate an eract action. generally throw in shallow then pull out into deep. been fishing on 1/20 TT and this combo has worked really well.  

agree with gulp stiffness and find fish just don't hit them hard, small bump and gota realy concentrate on line....

used the 7' atomic jerkshads in exy, and caught everthing one can up there, but mostly snapper/mackies and unstoppables ........the best was black/white on 1/4-1/2 TT 3/0 jighead. only fished relatively shallow (not my boat) but smashed the fish. change the action strenght to find what best excites the fish, but most on first drop before i impart action....and just hang on..... but for me the amount of action is determined by the current. if you see a dying fish the action is not what I would call constant so for me eractic is best.

haven't been wide in bunno for ages due to broken jaw but mainly throw 5' here but will def upgrade to 7' from now on

next I will experiment with Texas rigging them.... 

I shall try the sqidgy pro wrigglers next when in the blackwood.

Thanks very much i shall up my 5" to 7" and ill definately give slam a go aswell to try. I also use TT jig heads i find they have good hooks (have bent tho) and the jig heads are a nice shape to swim, hate the squidgy heads (unless they are the resin ones). Always good to chat to someone with know how.

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the squidgy heads, but i find the resin heads rust real quick.....and i wash them after each use. its a shame the heads are so crap cause the SP are good.

can't beat the TT and my local shop stocks em just for me...gota love that. never really had a problem with the hook and even 1/6 have landed nice sambo's  easy 10kg.

i'm kinda thinking at the mo go bigger on all SP's regardless of size of fish, small fish ain't gonna say no to  an "easy" dying fish. like passing up  a free bottle o' bourbon......very hard!

I dont always immitate dying fish i like using regular swimming action with alot of pauses to sink for a second then back up, kind of like a lost baitfish. But as i said i have never gone above 5" so i guess swimming action wont be as usefull that big.

I have foudn tailor love the swimming action with pauses, outfishes my slices 3x1 just ask original teenage.

I musta had a dodgy batch then ill try another, Bloody plastics are so expensive! everytime i go for a re fill of my jerk shards or my manns i end up buyign 5 more pakcets and 2 jighead packs  T_T

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You couln't wipe that grin fom my face even with a hammer.

for retreive and it's good to see you experiment. tailor for one aren't shy of hitting big baitfish and one advantage of going bigger is extra casting distance.

there is never one exclusive way to impart action on a lure, you gotta find what is best on the day. agree with your tailor tactic. i have just been using minnow lately.

doesn't matter what you buy fishing tackle wise.....its all expensive cause eyes bigger than wallet..ha ha

it's all about the enjoyment

Yeah i noticed the 20-25cm tailor were smashing the 5" atomic jerk shads which suprised me as they are half the bloody size, like me eating a midget!

Got a nice 42 cm one last time we went, first one caught too :)

Also do you know if the smell of the plastics deter fish? Some of them have a nasty plasticy latex smell like the tsunami holographics and i was wondering if it deters fish.

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would say yes. without knowing the exact chemical details of what they coat the SP (cause they dont tell ya on the packet) most SP are PVC based and this equates to hydrocarbons......(petrol). I have enough organic chemistry background to know they will coat the plastic to preserve it. they even coat the inner of the SP packet to preserve the packet.....in all reality a mix of chemicals......

more research is saying fish taste the bait vis chemical smell well before they mouth/lip the bait. not much likes eating hydrocarbon based product.

hence the new wave of scented SP which use bio-degradable pherimome (chemical attractants) based scent.

never had luck with tsunami myself so don't use these days.

but then again hungry fish in a pack don't tend to have the time to smell the bait and tailor are one such fish.....time spent smelling means someone else gets to eat.... bream are different!

have you tried the snapbacks as they last longer, but if enviro friendly then we should be using bio-degradable.

Very true it does make sense.

I am all for biodegradable, i actually considered getting that new biodegradable fishing line and i own the bio degradable sinkers too (they actually work out CHEAPER than lead sinkers (well at k mart atleast anyway).  

How does chemical smell transmit through water? I have always wondered how a fish smells through water, if we try it we drown lol.

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moving through the water, just like sugar disolving in hot water....it breaks down from the solid state but ya still taste it, it's the individual chemicals that create the taste. put die into water and see how it moves around. it will disolve into smaller particles but if you have the required receptors you will register those individual chemicals.

water is pretty amazing stuff really. we smell certain things but fish have more sensitive receptors in the mouth to detect these things....

Cheers for that. Always learn something new on FW!! 

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