Sounder porn
Submitted by biggerfish on Sun, 2018-09-02 16:37
Thinking I’ve got the furuno 585 tuned for best results. Few photos of some good ground.
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OOH YEH
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Great pics
But you forgot to add the GPS numbers for the pingers !!!!!
Keen fisher
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That looks like some pretty
That looks like some pretty good ground there what sort of transducer are you running ?
biggerfish
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Forgot to mention that tm260
Forgot to mention that tm260
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Faulkner Family
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well done. gotta be happy
well done. gotta be happy with the results from the sounder pics
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meglodon
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What you see
Is what you get, great catch well done
Boppo
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and thats why we should be allowed to keep two dhuies per fisher
So many dhuies being released just to get a different demersal. Guilty of it myself
biggerfish
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All duhies were released
All duhies were released healthy without the need of a release weight. Not guilty of anything. I think boat limit should be scrapped size limit increased and limit of one per licensed angler. You don’t get a lot of meat off a just sized du imo
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Faulkner Family
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i have to disagree with you
i have to disagree with you on that one. on a just size dhuie we get 2 serves per fillet plus the wings. more than you get from a blackass, foxfish even bauldie , so i will keep the ones at 520 to 600 and release the big ones to keep breeding . smaller ones are more tasty and im not into overfilling the freezer with one type of fish
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Boppo
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I think alot of released demersals don't survive no matter what
way you do it. First two demersals of size into your boat should be kept. A just sized dhuie has about the same amount of meat as an average baldie
biggerfish
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Recaptured Tagged fish prove
Recaptured Tagged fish prove that wrong.
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VIC DORY
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In depths greater than 30m
In depths greater than 30m dhu fish have a 80% mortality rate, over 45m of depth that mortality rate rises to 86%. This stats come directly from fisheries research which studied the effects of barotrauma and survival rates of dhus post release at various depths, under 15m the mortality rate was 21% but overall 51% of dhus released during the experiment died.
you may bring dhus up slow and they may look fine, no bulged eyes and no protruding stomach but the fact remains they are most likely suffering major internal damage and most likely won’t survive especially out in the 30’s and 40’s where most people fish.
biggerfish
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Was the study just on dhu or
Was the study just on dhu or all demersals.
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VIC DORY
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Those mortality percentages
Those mortality percentages are based on just the dhu fish mortality.
there were some pink snapper captured and dropped back down but their survival rate was much much higher, as you know pinkies are virtually indestructible.
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scottnofish
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i have tagged and recaught
the same dhu in the same spot 3 years running in 48 meters ,first time was in really bad condition but was only 43 cm so had to go back with bulging eyes and swim bladder out ,gave it zero chance of survival however caught it again a year later healthy as at 46 cm caught it again a year later healthy as at 48 cm ,haven't seen it the last 2 years so someone may have caught and keept him now,.
the fisheries research was crap in my opinion as there so called release was to put them in a cage and send them back to the bottom and see if they died,of course they are going to die trapped in a cage
hezzy
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scotnofish agree the cage
scotnofish
agree the cage trials where flawed in many aspects
and some dhuies do survive release , no doubt about that ,
however in the main its more than fair to say due to poor handling and their biological makeup the large % dont survive catch and release
your example of a twice caught dhuie that survived is great, but its not been caught again ? did someone catch and keep it or was it third time unlucky stressed and die ??.. difficult to say but given dhuis one blood heamaglobin that makes them highly susceptible to baurotrauma , its better generally if rec fishers understand their biology and try to avoid c & r of them where possible
the whole point imo is you want blokes to understand & educate themsleves , yes some will survive and some small recaptures well handled is good ,but it does not prove its ok to catch and release them when it can be avoided
the precautionary principle should apply
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hezzy
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good post vic there needs
good post vic
there needs to be much more education about this , continuing to catch and release dhuies is not doing the dhuies or anyone any favours no matter how well there handled imo ..
what had been a good feed and a good day on the water with some good fish pics by the looks of it then leaves it open to negatives ,
too many people seem to think its ok to test gear or have a fun session doing this
rec fishers generally should be better educated about dhuies if there going to target them
[All duhies were released healthy without the need of a release weight. Not guilty of anything.]
not using a mandatory release weight is poor form and wanton destruction of fish imo in this day and age
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biggerfish
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If a fish falls of the hook
If a fish falls of the hook boat side and swims straight to the bottom I really don’t see the need to use a release weight champ. Poor form being judgemental when you weren’t there. I still don’t feel guilty of anything. Poor form also by big noting yourself and bagging someone out on a friendly forum. We weren’t targeting the duhies once we had our two du infact we moved from the spot that had schooling du to where I usually catch only baldies. Btw it’s mandatory to have a release weight onboard not sure where you have read it’s mandatory to use it??
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hezzy
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ah I see the fish fell of the
ah I see all the 5 extra dhuies fell of the hook boatside hey , but the 2 sized dhuies managed to stay well hooked for capture ?????
so no need for the release weight … ??
my reply was to vics post in the main and all other readers plus you , that way too often we see the C&R OF DHUIES , like it is ok , when most will die ,
if you think you where bagged out that's your issue , if your offended ?? that's your issue ?..
you can choose to be offended or not , you where there so you know if what you did was ok or not ..
just being pedantic over the release weight to carry or use .. everyone knows what its for especially over 20 metres and if they don't then the read will help others
education on this issue imo is too important to be ignored by hurt feelings or public comment to anyone who may read this post ..
if that helps other rec fishers , read , pause and think about what they do when releasing dhuies im ok with that
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biggerfish
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I see your point next time
I see your point next time we catch duhies as by catch we will neck them and leave them floating. No need for a release weight as from what your saying release weight or not they all die. Wish we could all be like you and only catch what you are targeting but I’ve learnt you don’t always get what you want. Wish I could be such an experienced and knowledgeable angler like you.
all hail hezzy he so full of knowledge
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XF347
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Not having a go at all but
Not having a go at all but in your original post you stated "all fish were caught off this spot", but now your saying you moved?
biggerfish
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Moved off the edge of lump
Moved off the edge of lump mate where
the school of du wasnt
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XF347
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All good mate fair enough, I
All good mate fair enough, I just enjoy sounder pics and wanted an idea of the ground you caught the fish on.
biggerfish
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Perfect example hezzy of why
Perfect example hezzy of why myself and many others don’t post on here anymore. Judgmental hero’s like yourself.
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Dreamtime
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Just found the page he is quoting
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165783605001682
Keen fisher
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Hi guys guys just been
Hi guys guys just been reading the above discussion about releasing demersals. Quite a few years ago when you were allowed to take 4 dhuie and then down to two per angler and then down to one there were a lot of forums held by fisheries to educate rec anglers about why we needed to restrict our catch and if we caught more than our limit that the fish could survive and I to was a sceptic so I joined the ANSA demersal and over the next 8 or so years I caught and released approximately 40 or so dhuies from approx 320mm to 700mm and from depths from 20 to 70 mtrs and the recapture rate that I found was not great but saying that 95% of the dhuies recaptured were all recaptured on the same spot they were released and usually buy someone on my boat. The largest dhuie that was captured and released was 700mm and was caught in 70mtrs it was a simple release which means let go from the surface and I know for a fact that this fish lived because we went out to see if we could catch that fish 9 months later and believe it or not second drift the same person who caught it the first time caught it again. The dhuie wasn't so lucky the second time around. So guys my message is if you really what to find out the truth about fish survival is commit yourselves to tagging the fish you put back so that we can make well informed decisions about if fish survive after we release them. And yes I definitely agree with Hezzy that there needs to be more education on fish survival because some of the opinions of some anglers aren't well informed ones.
just thought I would put my two bobs worth.
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Nice Dhu and sounder pics
Nice Dhu and sounder pics mate
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Yep, nice banger on jig.
Yep, nice banger on jig.
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