Southern Garfish Ban - Review

Gday all,

is there any word out there on the potential lifting of the ban? Its been 5 years. Appears to be tonne of them whereever I go. Calls and emails to Recfish and Fisheries unanswered as usual. 

Surely they'd be looking at a review shortly?

Perhaps a reduction in the bag limit as they did with Herring - that'll help. 

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Should be soon

Thu, 2023-07-13 13:04

 Back in August 2021 I asked Fisheries about the gar ban. Got a quick reply, including the following info on their procedures.

"As you are aware, garfish protection was implemented in May 2017, thus, based on Marine Stewardship Council recovery timeframes which are being adopted, noting the generation time calculation for garfish, we are looking at mid-2023 before we consider removing the prohibition. A decision will be made following the next stock assessment, which at present is anticipated for delivery in mid-2023."

So that would suggest a decision is due in the next few months

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 That sounds positive.Fingers

Thu, 2023-07-13 13:40

 That sounds positive.

Fingers crossed the gars have re-generated and hopeful this stock assessment is delivered soon with favourable outcomes.

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Tue, 2024-02-06 20:01

MSC are a non profit corporation run by WWF and Lever Foods, a multinational company. How do they have any jurisdiction? Since when do global private corporations have any authority over citizens resources?

"WWF set up the MSC in 1997 with Unilever to certify sustainable fish and help consumers make informed choices. More than 8,000 seafood products worldwide are now certified as sustainable by the MSC."
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"As you are aware, garfish protection was implemented in May 2017, thus, based on Marine Stewardship Council recovery timeframes which are being adopted, noting the generation time calculation for garfish, we are looking at mid-2023 before we consider removing the prohibition. A decision will be made following the next stock assessment, which at present is anticipated for delivery in mid-2023."

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Horay ..

Thu, 2023-07-13 13:11

I've seen big numbers berlying up for

skippy .. literally walk across them .. 

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How do the numbers for

Fri, 2023-07-14 10:09

How do the numbers for Garfish drop, not by take home fish caught surely ?

Hard to understand this one, or is the Gar fisherman as popular as the herring fisherman.

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 surely not by rec fishos.

Fri, 2023-07-14 12:09

 surely not by rec fishos. The estimated recreational catch is nonsense. Unlike herring Gars can be tricky to catch

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Commercial take known but rec take estimated

Fri, 2023-07-14 10:33

When I read the status report on gar done in 2017, (Department of Primary Industries and Regional Development, Perth. Report 271) they said the recreational take was not known, but was estimated at 27.7 tonne. Not sure how they got that number. Most came from the West Coast bioregion, predominantly around Perth.

 

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I doubt there would be 27

Fri, 2023-07-14 12:06

I doubt there would be 27 dedicated gar fisherman in the whole west coast region...

27.7 tonne...fk they pull some shit don't they.

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With you ..

Fri, 2023-07-14 15:23

I'm with you brock .. 27 tonne ..

fark .. that's a lot of gardies . 

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 yeah ~280,000 of them...

Fri, 2023-07-14 15:39

 

yeah ~280,000 of them... fisheries median catch weight was 99g ea.... lol.

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Made me check

Fri, 2023-07-14 19:36

 Had another look at that 2017 report. They said;

"In 2000/01, the total retained recreational catch of H. melanochir in WA was estimated to be 230,503 fish (27.7 t), with 92% (25.6 t) taken in the WCB"

So that is pretty old data but still a motza of gar, if the estimate is anywhere close to reality.

 

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From the 16-17 status of the

Fri, 2023-07-14 15:49

From the 16-17 status of the fisheries report. 

Total commercial landings in the WCB peaked at 44 t in 1999 and then steadily declined, reaching an historical low of 2 t in 2015. The catch remained at 2 t in 2016. Partial estimates of shore-based recreational catch are available for the Perth area, April-June only. The April-June catch was estimated to be >5 t in 2010, but <0.5 t in subsequent years (Smallwood et al. 2012). In the WCB, the total boat-based recreational catch was estimated to be 2-5 t per year in 2005/06, 2008/09 and 2009/10. The estimated boat-based recreational catch of southern garfish was steady in 2015/16 (1,994 kept by number, SE=992) compared with 2013/14 (1,636, SE=673) and 2011/12 (16,340, SE=3,477) (Ryan et al. 2017, Smith et al. 2016). 

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 27 T? They might be

Tue, 2023-08-01 21:44

 27 T?

 

They might be including Black Garfish, Striped Garfish and Blue Garfish, Mostly caught in tropical waters ....

 

Fucking retards

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Recent advice for Fisheries

Fri, 2023-08-18 15:35

 I asked Fisheries for an update. They got back to me today saying, along with anecdotal reports of more fish around, the gar stock status has now been assessed and a decision will be made after disucssions with Recfish. So  that couldmean the ban might be lifted with conditions. I'd say even if that happens the bag limit will be less than it was.

 

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 funny that - I also got a

Mon, 2023-08-21 08:30

 funny that - I also got a response from Recfish stating that the matter is currently been looked by Fisheries. However there was no mention of Recfish taking part in any discussions. ".....being looked into by Fisheries. Will provide you with an update as soon as we are notified of any official changes"

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Yep, who's in charge?

Mon, 2023-08-21 10:25

 Hi Ush

 

Here is the part of my email form Fisheries "DPIRD has assessed status of the stock and is progressing a review for southern garfish in the Metropolitan region of Western Australia. We will be meeting with the peak recreational fishing body, Recfishwest, to discuss this matter further. Following discussions with Recfishwest, a decision will be made on how recreational fishing for southern garfish will be managed in the Metropolitan region of WA."

 

Would be good if both organisations sat and talked at the same time...

 

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 First I've heard of a

Mon, 2023-08-21 15:38

 First I've heard of a metropolitan region personally think there should be one as I think the west coast zone is to far reaching for the present bans steep point to windy harbour if you go by launch sites is bigger than most states.

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So fisheries do use anecdotal

Sat, 2023-08-19 17:48

So fisheries do use anecdotal data in their decision making. Reports from fisherman? I wonder what it is.

 

Discussions with recfish, yay can't wait. 

Nice work Reefsta on getting an answer.

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My view is this

Mon, 2023-08-21 18:20

Fisheries research officers sit in a room.

They say, gee we haven't changed rules for a couple of months, what can we come up with that makes us feel our jobs are meaningful.

I know, last time I asked, someone told me they didn't catch any Gardies. I know almost no one targets them and their numbers are cyclic, but why not ban them for 3 years.

This ban was a load of rubbish. There is no way a few anglers catching a few Gardies was ever going to make any meaningful difference to overall numbers.

Just another example of WA Fisheries being out of touch with reality.

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Double post

Mon, 2023-08-21 18:22

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 A bit of a stretch but I

Mon, 2023-08-21 20:10

 A bit of a stretch but I grew up fishing for gars from the rockwalls with dad and granddad most weekends from march through to June, I noticed a significant drop in numbers and it continued to drop off until we gave up, main factor was we had a massive salmon appearance in 2006 and every year on from then. The first morning they showed up at North mole in 2006 gardies were literally jumping onto the rocks at our feet, in a week north mole was a baron wasteland. I remember the water being black with gars after a bit of pollard. After the yearly salmon runs there's barely any around, and that said now no gars around the salmon don't come around in as big a numbers. It is a far stretch, but in my view a few Europeans off the rockwalls never affected the stocks and in my opinion multiple schools of salmon at multiple tonnes each hanging around for weeks on end during garfish season certainly made a dent. Bit of a stretch I know but that's how we experienced it first hand.

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a bit like

Mon, 2023-08-21 20:44

 how they don`t count the massive shark population in anything to do with demersal numbers

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 interesting mate, I recall a

Tue, 2023-08-22 09:08

 interesting mate, I recall a bumper season of salmon approx 2016 2017, areas full of scalies were no where to be found. 

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When the review happened with

Thu, 2023-08-24 09:09

When the review happened with herring a recfishwest survey the majority of fishers decided to go with a limit of 20 rather than return to the old limit of 30. Quality of fishing over quantity and looking towards the future. Then fisheries decided the sustainable take was higher and gave out 70 tones to the Gnet fishery. 

Something to consider this time.

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Thu, 2023-08-24 10:28

Well I didn't know that, thanks for making us aware of that Pete.  It certainly leaves a bitter taste in one's mouth.   

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Any word out there on the

Mon, 2024-01-29 13:59

Any word out there on the current bans? Or atleast a review of it...?

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 Don't hold your breath if it

Mon, 2024-01-29 17:38

 Don't hold your breath if it is up to Dumbpunch.

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No update yet

Tue, 2024-01-30 07:46

 I emailed Fisheries in 2021 and was told by email that the ban would be reassessed  in second half of 2023, after a stock review.  I emailed late last year and also again 2 days ago seeking an update, but no reply yet.

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 I see - good to know I am

Wed, 2024-01-31 08:23

 I see - good to know I am not the only one seeking some info. Have to diversify with these bans - love gars!
Do keep us posted if you get a reply. cheers 
 

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Still in discussions

Mon, 2024-02-05 16:06

 Hi Ush

 

I got an email reply today from DPIRD, but not much different  to the one I got last year or even back in 2021. Slow progress. Looks like Fisheries have now done the 2023 stock assessment they said would  and now in discussions with the likes of Recfish, after which they'll make a decision. The reply included the following;

 

"DPIRD has received advice from our research team regarding the health of the stock and are currently in the process of consulting with the fishing sector peak bodies on this issue."

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Is this the same MSC, aka Sea

Tue, 2024-02-06 20:25

Is this the same MSC, aka Sea Shepherd who reckon our sharks are endangered? Whaling stopped so they needed a new mascot to distract from oil spills?

https://wwf.panda.org/es/?200084/Promoting-sustainable-seafood

Fisheries know where their bread is buttered, the little corrupt w****s they are. Taking money from global cartels. Next police will be sponsored by local organised crime.

https://darrp.noaa.gov/oil-spills/exxon-valdez

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 they've reopened the

Thu, 2024-02-22 12:27

 they've reopened the fishery. About time. Will take it seeing as the favorite demersals are out for most of the year. Bring on gardie baits and fillets. 

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Details?

Thu, 2024-02-22 14:27

 Good to hear. I haven't received any further info after the email  a couple of weeks back, saying it was being discussed. Bag limits, seasons?

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 theres an official article

Thu, 2024-02-22 15:15

 theres an official article on both Fisheries and Recfish I believe. Just a complete reinstatement of the previous rules 30 per bag. 

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