starting fly fishing

for all those fly fishos out there i need some starter help

 

i want to give fly fishing a go and was wondering if anyone has an old fly combo i can buy off them to start with so i can just learn and practice etc.

will use it for practicing in a nearby lake and casting flys for herring, tailor etc just to learn til i buy a better one once i am expierienced.

 

I dont know anything about the weights or fly terms or slang or anything

so if someone can point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated

 

cheers,

Reuben


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Gday schecky just getting

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:06

Gday schecky

just getting into it myself mate. Got myself a cheap gillies combo kit from motackle only cost about 120 bucks. The wt refers to the line weight the higher the number the greater the breaking strain so to speak. I got myself a 9wt combo sort for starters in sw aplications

the pack comes with a dvd narrated and demos from peter morse who is a pretty renound fly fisherman.

Had my first crack on the weekend but it was rpetty windy, been practicing my cast a fair bit over the last few days seems like i am starting to get the hang of the shorter casting (up to 5-7 meters)

if you find any good sources of info let me know mate

Ewan and ryan from this site have done a fair bit in the past im sure

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With fly casting, you cast

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:12

With fly casting, you cast the line instead of the lure (fly in this case). Weights are basically the weight of the line. Heavier weights (and sinking lines) are easier to cast into a breeze, and have heavier rods. Lighter weights are harder to cast longer distances, but will give a more fun fight. 

Lots of different types of lines, but basically either floating or sinking (at various rates) or part/part (floating line, sinking tip).

You have backing on your reel, then the fly line, then a leader, then a tippet then possibly a bite leader, then the fly. 

 

Best to probably go to somewhere they have lots of fly gear and ask some q's. 

 

Keep in mind, unless you are roll or spey casting, it can be a bit hard to cast with something behind you (say at a marina rock wall). You're also unlikely to get any more distance than spin gear, so something to keep in mind.

 

Reuben, Brad, I'll send you some links i've found useful when I get home. I'm just a beginner, but I do have massive amounts of links :p

 

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thanks guysthats some gold

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:27

thanks guys

thats some gold info, cheers 

 

ill look in to that gillies combo now

but still if anyone has an old one they dont use that would be goood

 

what weight would I looking at for my application?

 

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8/9wt from what i have

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:30

8/9wt from what i have learned in my very very very short fly fishing carreer is a good weight to start with when learning
dont make the mistake i made i got floating line where as i wish i got an intermediate (slow sinking)

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floating line is not a mistake (IMO)

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:52

It all depends on what you are fishing for. Floating line and popper flies would be ideal in your nick of the woods surely? Queenies, small trevs and so forth.....

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In regards to casting, its

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:59

In regards to casting, its easier. Whether its better for the situation is a different question. 

Heard you can use poppers with intermediate lines. Just strip like crazy.

 

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hey shecky i have a shimano

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:31

hey shecky

i have a shimano biocraft 7/8 weight with 8 weight cortland itermediate sink line

which is matched with a blackridge 7 weight rod both are brand new a have only had a few casts down in the river they have not even caught a fish

would be willing to part with for $160 retail value about $330

just pm me if ur interested cheers

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Brad

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:36

Wt forward sink tip is the easiest to learn on. Just been out last weekend and didnt take the fly rods. Mate wish I did. Parked up shallow for lunch and berlied some old mulies. Would have been a blast with a 8wt, or even the cheap 6wt from NZ on the Trevs etc that turned up. No men in gray suits.

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Righto can anyone send me

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:45

Righto can anyone send me some links to a good 8/9wt sink tip line

cransy would be keen to catch up for a few lessons one of these days mate, can trade a few secrets

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Flyworld.com.au

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:56

And look up Rio Saltwater Intermediate. Big fan of Rio lines.

 

Also Airflo Ridge was another that people mentioned.

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Recommended twice to me by

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:58

Recommended twice to me by people who know what they are talking about. Though, determined full intermediate was better suited to what I wanted. 

This is the one Huggy is talking about: http://www.rioproducts.com/product.php?recKey=40

 

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Cheers fellas yeah float

Mon, 2009-03-23 16:29

Cheers fellas

yeah float line is good, i probably just need a second spool of intermediate or sink tip for getting down to those trout etc

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thanks for all the tips

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:48

thanks for all the tips guys

pm sent wade

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6wt or an 8wt - it depends

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:49

You can get a fairly decent Redington Crosswater 2 piece combo with line etc for $250 I think from Bluewater? You may need to buy a different line for saltwater, if so budget on another $100 for line. But for now I wouldn't worry too much about that - getting your cast right will be the major hurdle. That will mean a fair bit of time in the park just false casting a lot to get a feel for it and how your loops unfurl etc.

 

6wt will cover a fair array of fish from trout through to flatties, hezzas and tailor. I found it a little under-gunned for salmon (like +5kg) personally, but that was possibly more to do with drag (or lack thereof) more than anything since I was using a small freshwater trout reel. Plus it is much harder to cast on windier days - you just cant punch it out as easily.

 

The 8wt would be a better pick if you plan on only doing saltwater fly fishing and are not all that interested in trout. It would be far more versatile and you'd even tangle with queenies etc up north with an 8wt.

 

Herring would be the easiest "practice" fish - use burley, get them boiling then cast to them. They will take the fly, make no bones about it...... 

 

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thanks huggy yeah 8wt seems

Mon, 2009-03-23 15:53

thanks huggy

yeah 8wt seems the go

i had a feeling herring would be a good starter fish

doesnt fly line have breaking strains? sorry if i sound ignorant haha

 

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for an 8wt

Mon, 2009-03-23 16:04

look to have 30lb backing. I have no idea what the breaking strains of fly line are to be honest. But it increases as the weight increases (thicker, heavier).

 

I wouldn't worry too much about it, you have a tippet which is usually 20 - 25lb for an 8wt in saltwater and its under the breaking strain of your line so it breaks in preference to your $100 fly line. To lose that would be heart breaking....unless a ginormous fish spools you - different story.

 

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Rio have breaking strains on

Mon, 2009-03-23 16:10

Rio have breaking strains on their website. Is about 30lb for 8/9 weights. I ended up putting 50lb backing on mine, but matrix pro, so its pretty thin (and very cheap at 40% off :D). I'd go 30lb if I did it again.

Do you end up using tapered leaders huggy or just tie your own?

 

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Depends Matt

Mon, 2009-03-23 16:28

Sometimes I tie my own "tapered" leader of (for a 6wt) 10lb (4 foot long) and 4/6lb (5 foot long) for trouties. I dont bother with a tippet.

 

In saltwater, I generally run a shorter leader and sometimes it will be just straight 25lb for 3 or 4 foot - longer if the bream are being painful and not playing ball. It depends on how lazy I feel.

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aw ok thanks huggy   do you

Mon, 2009-03-23 16:09

aw ok thanks huggy

 

do you think i should start off with a hardy zane Ti???Tongue out

 

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No

Mon, 2009-03-23 16:29

Take that money you would spend on the Ti Zane and give it to me - I'll deck you out and take a small fee. Wink

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Gillies Fly Kit!

Mon, 2009-03-23 16:29

Spot on recomendation Brad, the 8WT Gillies "Kit" is great. I'm happy to supply it for $135 with tuition from myself also. The info in the DVD is good and I fly fished with Peter Morse many years ago up North and was a great experience!

This kit will cover from herring to salmon and Northern fish including boat fishing also. The kit is quality and no need to upgrade after that for some time. The only thing i would replace is the fly line. Its good to start with then after you have the flycasting sorted then upgrade the line to a RIO down the track!

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ryan

Mon, 2009-03-23 16:32

Ryan if you have a good intermediate or sink tip 8wt line in stock mate i am happy to support those who support FW. I wish i had of known you stocked those gillies combos mate i would have picked it up through you

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cool mate!

Mon, 2009-03-23 21:21

I stock the basics/limited range Brad due to the minimal fly traffic us tackle stores get so i can understand you/others sourcing elsewhere. Very frustrating for me as I love my flyfishing and do heaps of it. I've got a few days off but i'll check when i'm back & PM ya!

 

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cheers ryan thats a great

Mon, 2009-03-23 17:00

cheers ryan

thats a great offer

ill get back to you as soon as i gather some cash

one shift a week....grrr

 

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Send a Pm to liquidtension, hes a very keen fly fisherman,

Mon, 2009-03-23 21:14

Probably be a great help to you, i bought some 2nd hand gear off him a while ago and he couldnt wait to bring out his pride and joy fly gear to show me..... 

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