Stradic vs Gosa
Yes another stradic vs saragosa thread. I'm tossing up between a Stradic 4000FJ or 5000FJ & a Saragosa 4000F. It's primary function is for casting lures (mostly poppers & metals) at tailor & salmon & it will be matched with a 9ft FWA rod. I want the stradic for the extra 15-20cm line retrieve per crank but I want the toughness of the gosa because I do tend to get covered in saltwater from head to toe when I'm walking the reefs. I don't care about the 50-60g difference in weights. I can't make up my mind either way so I'm after a deciding vote here, the reel that gets the most votes is the one I will buy.
Thanks,
CF
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EKUL
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+1 Gosa
Hard deicision - i would personally go the Gosa as i would hate to drop the stradic in the sand and have problems.
Oceanside Tackle
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Stradic vs gosa
We have personally matched up the Stradic with the FWA 9ft numerous times for customers and its a always a winning combo. The 5000 offers you more spool capacity but the 4000 has the paddle handle which alot of people prefer for spinning. With either reel (stradic or saragosa) you will get a top outfit. For us personally the Stradic is a winner though.
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tomharders247
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is it possible to change the
is it possible to change the 5000fj handle to a paddle handle?
and is the 5000fj handle called a cranking handle?
cheers
Oceanside Tackle
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Stradic
Hi Tom,
The stradic 4000 handle assembly screws stright into the 5000 size body. So yes we can order these in to suit your 5000.
As for what the 5000 handle is called it could be considered a cranking handle, Most people preffer the rounded handle knob of the 5000 for light jigging.
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Uluabuster
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Stradic for the smoothness
Stradic for the smoothness cos you will cast n retrieve a million times.
dkonig82
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Surprised nobody has
Surprised nobody has mentioned this, but the Saragosa is also over 15% heavier than the Stradic. Doesnt sound like a lot but by the end of the day one will certainly feel nicer to cast than the other.
Stradic for sure for my bet.
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TheJettyRat
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I have cast the Gosa all day
I have cast the Gosa all day long a few times, hard on the shoulders after a while with all that weight. My Sustain on other hand I can cast all day long no probs.
Shark B8
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I ended up going with the
I ended up going with the sustain.
Go big or go home..
Justo82
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stradic 5000. more line
stradic 5000. more line capacity, lighter, and it's a stradic. change the handle if you're worried. you can use this reel for anything....
Buz
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For mobile casting/lure work
For mobile casting/lure work i would go the Stradic. For Static heavy lure throwing or bait chucking i would choose the Saragosa.
But either way both are great reels and wont let you down.
Just you might find after 100 casts or more you'll like the Stradic more for mobile casting ;)
CityFlicker
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Thanks everyone, looks like
Thanks everyone, looks like the stradic is going to be the winner. My only concern with it is how well it will handle getting drenched in saltwater when I'm fishing the reefs. Will it get destroyed faster than the gosa & will I have to completly service it after every outing? The sustain is more than I'm willing to spend on a reel that will get hammered in the surf. Anyone that has done reef fishing with me will tell you that I get that wet I might as well just jump in the ocean & be done with it so the reel I choose needs to be able to handle a good amount of punishment. When I consider that I carry 5-6kgs of lures, drinks etc in my backpack when I'm walking the reefs the 50 or 60 grams extra the gosa weighs isn't going to make any difference to me.
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wildinp
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stradic
I have a stradic 5000 on a live fibre trophy 9' and love the combo for beach and flicking off the rocks.
The reel has never had a problem being in the water and basically these things are pretty well made that it shouldn't be causing an issue!
Uluabuster
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If both reels got drenched, I
If both reels got drenched, I supposed the one with the higher bearing count will show signs of damage first. Cos more bearings = more spots for corrossion ?
If both reels got dunked and submerged in the surf, then I think both reels will damage equally fast - both aren't sand proof. Sand + moving parts = certain death.
CityFlicker
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Ok, the stradic has got the
Ok, the stradic has got the most votes so it looks like I'm buying another one to add to the collection.
Thanks to everybody for their feedback.
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Subaquatic
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Just bought a Stradic 4000
Just bought a Stradic 4000 for throwing lures around. I happened to launch a little chrome slice at some small tuna last week up at Coral bay. It was inhaled by a 20lb spanish mackeral. The stradic too it in its stride, and worked a treat. Was a great catch, and gave me a heap of respect for such a small inexpensive reel.
crasny1
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See my previous post
I have six gosas (all sizes) that I used up in dampier for all roles off the boat. When I went FIFO needed a smaller lighter combo for bream/whiting poppering. Decided on 2 Stradic and a Sustain. 3 rods dumped in the surf at Whitehill with a freaky wave. The gosa washed off, the other 2 (stradic and sustain) was very "crunchy" and needed a strip down.
Hence the Gosa IMO is a tougher reel used off rocks/sand, but still love the Sustain>>Stradic.
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CityFlicker
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This is gunna do my head in,
This is gunna do my head in, every time I think I've made a decision I feel like I should change my mind. My head is telling me the gosa is the one that I need because of the punishment I know it's going to recieve. The heart is telling me to get a stradic because I've already got a few & they have never failed me, though I have protected them from things like saltwater & sand. I think I'll have to walk into a store on the day I'm going to buy, flip a coin & buy whatever the coin tells me before I can think about it or change my mind.
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Noxious
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Stradic hands down. Don't
Stradic hands down. Don't worry about them not being tough enough, i've had 2 for years. One 4000 model that has copped a beating, beach and boat fishing, which I've landed big sambos and sharks with. Been dropped in the sand plenty of times (nothing to be proud of), just give it a good clean. Got it serviced my oceanside about 2 months ago, feels like a brand new reel.
nightfish
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Use mine for same purpose
I have the 4000 Stradic FI and its been sunk in a boating incident, dropped in sand and constantly dunked whilst waist deep in water. Fifteen minutes to clean out the drag and reel every four or five trips and all good. Had it nearly three years and going strong. Haven't used the Saragosa though so can't comment.
new age
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gosa for sure they are so
gosa for sure they are so much tougher stop worrying about reels and fish with the gosa
beachsoul
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I ordered a Saragosa / what makes it tougher
Ordered a Saragosa 5000( was on mega special ) found it was too heavy for continual casting for me.
Im going to swap it over to another rod and look at getting the smaller and lighter 5000 Stradic.
Im really pleased to hear of the Saragosa's supposed toughness. What mkes it tougher is it simply heavier gearing
new age
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in plain terms, it has a
in plain terms, it has a simpler gear box and osillation system, making servicing cheaper and easier to DIY, and less things to possibly go wrong and easier for the maker to seal the unit. The tight tolerances of the stradic mean that anything even tiny that goes wrong will be felt by the user, whereas the robust saragosa is so simple internally that it takes a fair breakdown to stop those gears from turning. Thats what i reckon and to my knowledge why the gosa is a superior work horse! (not necessarily a superior reel tho!)
CityFlicker
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The 5000 gosa is the same
The 5000 gosa is the same reel as the 8000 size only the spool is different, that's why your 5000 was too heavy for continual casting. The 4000 gosa is considerably lighter than the 5000 & is only 50g heavier than the stradic 5000.
The main differences are that the gearing in the saragosa is simplified, no xship, no aero-wrap oscillation on sizes under 8000, no anti-reverse so one less thing to fail or let water in. I think there's something to do with the worm gear & the bail roller bearing as well but I havn't checked the schematics yet to actually see for myself. The body of the gosa is aluminium as opposed to graphite. The gosa does not have the maintenance port that the stradic has either. I think the lack of a maintenance port is a good thing, too easy to just add a few drops of oil to mask a problem instead of having to actually pull it down & find the actual cause.
(I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got any of that info or names of systems wrong)
I've still got more investigating to do before I make my decision, so far the coin toss method seems like th ebest option.
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fishfish
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Budget ??
Ok I'm going ask if you have a budget and if you have made your mind up between those two reels . If you haven't then I would suggest a VS only because your worried about being drenched no other reason Cheers fishfish
CityFlicker
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Budget is $280 & that's
Budget is $280 & that's pushing it as far as I can, I've got a bunch of other gear I need to upgrade as well. I assume you mean the Okuma V-System, I won't own another Okuma. Bitten by them twice, there won't be a third time. I've never had any problems with any shimano reel so I'm pretty set on the stradic or saragosa, I've just got to make the decision. I've still got a week before I'm actually buying so hopefully I will work it out by then.
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dkonig82
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by VS I'm guessing he means a
by VS I'm guessing he means a Van Staal
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CityFlicker
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I wish my budget could
I wish my budget could stretch that far. I got to use one once, bloody nice reel.
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fishfish
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VS
Yeah sorry city I should have made it a bit clearer Dk has got it ,Van Staal ..
But unfortunatly your budget doesn't stretch ( like most of us !! )
Cheers fishfish
Snags
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Ci4?
Hey mate,
Why didnt the Ci4 didnt make your shortlist?
Im assuming you would have looked into it, so curious to know your reasons why it didnt cut the mustard.
CityFlicker
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I've read reports of the Ci4
I've read reports of the Ci4 flexing at the reel stem & generally being a bit weak.
Went with the Stradic 5000Fj, picked it up from Oceanside this morning, can't wait to give it a run rommorow.
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