Swivel or no swivel for jigs?

 Hi all,

 

just wondering if if anyone can make suggestions as to the pro's or the cons of having a small ball bearing swivel attached to their jigs for demersals? Obvioulsy a swivel helps to reduce line twist however does it change the action of the jig much? And therefore change the number of strikes from fish?

 

any suggestions or comments appreciated

 

scano

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IMO

Sun, 2015-02-01 20:40

No the swivel doesn't make any difference worth worrying about as far as a reduced strike rate.
Always jig with a split or SOM Ocean snap to swivel and when the fish are there, get hook ups.
No swivel, nightmare line twist and haven't noticed a better strike rate without a swivel.

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If no swivel...

Sun, 2015-02-01 21:27

...what are you tying your leader to? The jig itself? The split ring? The only realistic option besides tying to a swivel would be tying to a solid ring, but the split ring needed for the jig and/or assist hook would compromise the mono/FC knot?

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tie line direct to a good

Mon, 2015-02-02 10:41

tie line direct to a good quality swivel (non snap type) and then the swivel to the split ring,
assist hook/s to run off the split ring not the lure wire (unless using occy type jigs etc which have hooks rigged differently).

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Swivels

Mon, 2015-02-02 11:04

I always use a good quality ball bearing swivel when jigging for demersals otherwise the flutter of the jigs would cause shocking line twist.

When mechanical jigging for fish like sambos you can get away with no swivel if you use the teardrop solids (Decoys are called GP rings). They're not a round solid ring but a teardrop shape... they claim to have increased strength and you tie both your leader and assist hooks directly off the solid rig. This way your assists are not joined by a split ring which will be the weakest point when under serious load.

 

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We have been trying both

Mon, 2015-02-23 09:19

We have been trying both options, I've been jigging without a swivel and attaching the leader to the solid ring of the assist hooks, which is attached to the jig via a split ring.

I seem to more productive on the strike rates, but theres nothing to say this is to do with the swivel itself.

Scano uses swivels, so does others on my boat and have success. Guess just a preference really.

As for twists, when jigging for demersals, your jigging the bottom few meters then bringing your jig up, I don't think there is much twisting and when you retrieve to the surface all the twists come out anyway.

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Solid ring...

Mon, 2015-02-23 09:59

 ...so attached to that ring, banging against each other during the somewhat violent act of jigging, are:

1.Your leader knot

2.Assist hook material

3.Split ring with sharp edges, weighted by a jig

 

Unless I've missed something, I could see gear and fish being lost a few times?

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never lost a jig, so I don't

Mon, 2015-02-23 11:59

never lost a jig, so I don't think there is any rubbing, I doubt the assist hook know slips, so no damage there

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 I use 60lb jinkai leader

Mon, 2015-02-23 11:04

 I use 60lb jinkai leader with a fluoro bead before a small barrel swivel, split ring and then jig.  Also off the split ring hangs a solid ring which has the assist hook(s) attached.  I loose more rigs through being smoked into reef than the knot or split ring giving way.

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 I think once I have set the

Mon, 2015-02-23 11:51

 I think once I have set the hook AND stopped the run, I have only ever lost one fish and that was due to a straightened hook (sambo).  never had an assist line, solid or split ring fail.  I do check my leader regularly and if it has abrasion I re-tie or replace it.

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 *soft* fluoro bead...

Mon, 2015-02-23 11:52

 *soft* fluoro bead...

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NT Swivels

Mon, 2015-02-23 16:12

G'day scano. If you're after small and tough swivels look for NT swivels. Go for size 4. Small and strong as hell, more than enough for demersals. Just wrap your leader around the swivel twice when tying your knot. As GGs suggested use the GP rings (size 4). Best split rings I've come across just recently are SWAGE size "S". I have had my swivel work itself half way around the split ring with some other brands.

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