well i recon the toyota because it is better off road and it holds its value

jeeps are ok but toyotas are better

matt

the range rover is the best off roader (direct quote from jeremy clarkson) so....lol

but still the whole content is about cruisers being better then wranglers, but yeah i read that the ranger rover was top of the range atm

yep I also heard that the best were the range rovers off road, as for the toyota vs jeep...thats a joke, toyota will walk all over the jeep.

Stock landcruiser vs  stock wrangler my moneys on the wrangler even more so if its the wrangler rubicon.They come standard with really low gear ratio's diff locks etc.Wranglers also have something like 50mm more ground clearance than cruisers and better approach/departcher angles all got help when the going gets tough.

All depends on the driver.Have seen some top of the range cruisers, patrols, rangies and jeeps in some horrible situations that it boggles the mind how they came to be there. Stupidity is probably the main cause followed by inexperience and bravado coming in equal second for most of the more serious "accidents" on beaches and sandhills.

yep. driving skills!

I own a 4 door Wrangler Unlimited Sport. Stock. It will out drive your stock Cruisers & Patrols. Rock crawling, soft sand, dunes & mud. It'll do better in all off road situations.

On road, however, is a different story. The Wrangler is built for off road & is not so comfy on road.

The 2 door Rubicon was voted 4 wheel drive of the year 2009 by 4x4 Action magazine.

If anyone is up for a challenge, make sure you bring a snatch strap.

 Four wheel drive etiquette says the bogged vehicle provides the strap.

mate i work for jeep and drive a toyota so does that annswer your question?????

i would back down for 2 mins and vote the jeep would out do the toyota in most cases of road depending on driver skills, the jeep has a reasonable size motor and grunt with a lot less body weight which sinks the cruiser when stopped, however out on the tarmac try putting a 2 .5 tonne boat behind the jeep and kiss the fuel economy and power goodbye

I own a Patrol and have owned a few cruisers in my time and yes 1 Jeep. I agree with everyone saying driver skill is a huge part. I wouldn't own another Jeep if you paid me! If you want a full on off road machine buy a Suzuki and mod it, if you want a good allrounder ( onroad, offroad, towing etc) go the cruiser or Patrol. Just my opinion.

hahahha yeah the little 2 stroke suzuki's from years back are pretty hard to bog .. and if they do (or even roll over) you get a few mates to pick it up and move it .. no winch needed :)

managed to roll one at corination point in gero once .. had her back on her wheels in about 3 minutes .. took a while to restart tho :)

No use having a jeep when they have an elictrical problem that causes fire in enjine bay.  Not going to get out of anything with the motor on fire!.  Sounds strage but it has hapened to plenty of them.  Can't go wrong with a Toyota and I can guarantee you it is a lot easier getting a part for them when you need one than a jeep!

Ive got a jeep commander, and have driven quite a few other 4wd's in whicht eh jeep stands upto most. the only downside is clearence

however best 4wd ive ever driven offroad and some may laugh but the old bloody 1.3ltr dyhatsu terios!! man you just cant get stuck in those things, there not even a true 4wd.

There are so light they go over everything!

OlllllllO

it comes down to driver skills with the exception that the 6 cyl non turbo cruiser cannot take some of the big sand dunes becuase of power.  My jeep unlimited kicks ass off road but sucks on the road and towing the boat. 

If i had to do it over based on enjoying both 4wd and towing my boat, I would just choose the HILUX.  Yes you have to lower the tyre pressure in the rear significantly but you have a good, comfortable all rounder.  And I would pull the carpet out immediately!

If I was spending all of my time off road I would stay with my jeep because of the fun factor.  With the 18 inch tyres she tears up the sand and mud :) 

I did have one of those little Suzuki jeeps many years ago and you couldnt kill it!!! 

Taught my son Jeff [Deepwater] to drive in a Suzi LJ80, the first model after the 2 stroker. It had biiiggg fat tyres on it and on sand would go anywhere but mud was a different thing. 4-6mm of mud would be enough to stop it,it didn't matter what he did he just couldn't drive in it.
Wish I had taken photos of some of his exploits,they would be perfect blackmail quality.Given time he learnt but it was a lot of fun and you couldn't kill it.

mmm as a Jeep shoping trolly owner, I have been watching these comments.

Well the Wrangler in Rubicon form is a dam fine off road tool out of the box and up against a standard prado or Landrcuiser, it will whip them in 90% of the heavy off road work.
Remember I said in standard drive out of the show room form.
Modded Cruisers and Prado's with long travel suspension will out perform the Wrangler once cash has been spent on them,

Having said that for the pice of a Wrangler being close to 30% and more cheaper than a Crusier, you can't write them off as top value for money off raod tools in the sub $40k bracket.
Just my view on it...

tony

it can mean alot of things, such as off road performance, onroad performance, parts availability and affordability,aftersales service to name a few. For me I would go a cruiser as they have more room internally, parts and servicing is cheaper and a short wheelbase cruiser will go anywhere a Jeep could go and then some.

 Land Cruiser jeep has nothing on emm ,

The question was Wrangler vs Land cruiser

anyway getting to the point i would like a opinion on what 4x4 is better off road...

The simple answer is Wrangler!! I notice no one has taken me up on the challenge!!

Are you scared of being embarassed??

this for a 100 series vs jeep

cruiser get my vote for reliability,  resale value, and one hell of a "do it all" car, strong

a stock wrangle would prob get my vote for crap, fall apart in true jeep fashion, but the reality is its a very good offroad car especcialy good when its the rubicon model, very good over rocks and ditches.

 now a old 4.2 FJ diesel cruiser, they are not for sand i can tell you that, gutless

my grandads old diesel FJ(25 years old) couldnt make it up this one dune

then my dad 23 year old petrol 2.2 hilux ute flew up it, its a excellent sand ca, because its damn light

both these cars are still going strong so thats why toyota gets my vote.

you can own ur jeeps, but if they fall as much as fords i wont go near one lol

Hi everyone

New to this forum have been reading some recent posts and i feel i have to respond to one.Fisherking i will accept your challenge.I was going to suggest this weekend but i am taking my cruiser to Yeagerup dunes for a fish and a play.Stock standard HZJ79 diesel has treated me well.If you really want this challenge feel free to set a date.

PS

it may pay to bring your own snatch strap hey lol 

I will be there Friday to Monday morning. Calcup is ok buy me I guess the easiest way to meet is look for the bogged Jeep ??

I really am going to be there mate. It has been planned for weeks, I will be with the Jeep owners club (alot of them own cruisers).

Do you know any top spots down there? It would be good to meet. I'll even wager a carton on the outcome.

Should be a laugh buddy. We will be camping at Yeagarup cabin. Near the lake I think.

 Channel 29 on the CB. Give us a yell.

You go regional offroad, you break something.   People break things no matter how good the car is.  I dont want to wait for something from the eastern states.

Parts, Parts, Parts.  How easy is it to get them?

So am i can't wait hopefully hooked on to my fist salmon of the season . Bit of night fishing as well.Yeh spots look for nice gutters, holes and rips berley well and hang on.Carton stands even though i will be out numbered but 1 cruiser should be able to handle a few jeeps LOL. Will call on 29 we can have a play then share a coldie.Sounds good.

calcup is no challenge, well maybe for a jeep lol

 keen to hear the results anyway

remeber when in doubt, lower the tyre pressures, not too low though so youl sping the tyre on the rim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky2RHTiZshw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeQVYzaeoo4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_mqtqE-iQg&feature=related

just a little video of what a bog standard Rubicon 2 or 4 door can do!

I drive landcruisers every day uderground wich are a reliable car but do have there week points and off road abillity is there biggest draw back (and lack of power). Cruisers have also gone independent suspension with there new 200series wich is weaker than ya average Hyundai. If your buying a 4wd to travel buy a cruiser if your buying a 4wd to go off road buy the Wrangler (most accerised car in the world) I have two jeeps a 74 cj5 wich is highly modified and sitting in the shed broken ha ha and a new Rubicon that has larger supension and tyres wich now means it tows the boat shit house. But will out perform the average red neck in his 75series shit box

bleet bleet bleet... it's not really because you guys can't afford a Cruiser, and  have Landcruiser envy is it???

Steve you just hit the nail right on the head,and no, I drive a patrol.

Ha ha in reality they're all shit boxes these days. If you want a real 4wd you have to build it you cant just go and buy one off the factory floor and have it do everything you want it too what ever that may be. The problem with that is warranty on new cars, the slightest of modifications and the dealers dont want to know about you, even to the point of toyota voiding warranty when better than standard tyres are fitted!

oi at least a cruiser can hold its value compared to a piece of shit wrangler

Most of you guys seem to be missing the point.

The question was, which vehicle is better off road? Wrangler or Cruiser?

That's right people OFF ROAD.

It was not a question of reliability, parts availability or comfort. At least 2 of us on here can see it's a bit of light hearted fun without resorting to insults.

Thanks Grunter, I look forward to our little wager & to meeting a fellow fisher who enjoys a bit of off roading.

MAY THE BEST CAR WIN (whatever the result).

I agree Fisherking it has become a bit of a sledge fest. See you on the weekend.

the beach down that way is not much of a test though.You can drive in most of the way in two wheel drive in a cruiser.How about you bring your jeep on a three week trip from wa through into sa by way of the great central highway then up to darwin through alice across the gibb river road and back down the canning stock route.Then we will see who can walk up their driveway at the end of it.

Exactly allrounder first too admit they're not the most reliable thing on the road although the Wrangler is the pick of the Jeeps as I think its the only one still made in the US. But they are a weapon off road!

Should be fishing with them, as long as it gets me to the fish, who really cares about getting up the biggest hill??

Toyota tough.Drive a stock Prado.Work on Toyotas

For those of you still interested, (there seems to be some posts missing ), myself & Grunter did manage to meet up at the weekend.

We both caught some mighty salmon & decided to take a drive to Calcup Hill. We drove down the beach to the Warren River, not much of a test crossing that, so onto the hill.

I am pleased to report that we all made it to the top of Calcup. However, if you know this hill you will know that there are 2 ways up. The easy way & the hard way.

We watched Patrols try & fail, we watched Discos try & fail, moded Cruiser tried & failed. Local dude in an old bomb, failed.

I'll let Grunter continue with the story. (Unless you're too embarresed).

AND

are going to wait long for the rest????

I'm also guessing some one is going to say sorry to a certain uni... **** sucker....lol

How can you be embarresed Fisherking ?lol. We had an absolute ball i think. Yeh time to admit that after about 50 cars tried to get up that hill (some did not make it up the first part ?) a standard cruiser tried and failed (mine) and a standard wrangler tried and failed (yours). But we did make it to the top. On the fun side it was great  we caught heaps of salmon (all released ) and even more beer (not released) Got your contact details now so we we will catch up shortly. On a dissapointing note to the people that caught those salmon cut their throats and left them on the beach in a pile to rot i hope karma catches up with you. An absolute waste of a great sports fish one of the few that are available to shore based anglers.Some people just have no respect

PS

modded jeep made it up !

PS

i forgot about the jacks and moonshine that followed the beer

So it could be considered a draw then as the two 4x4s nominated didn't make it to the top, regardless of a modified Wrangler succeeding.

it probably was it wasn't through lack of trying we had a fair crack at it. In the end a good time was had by all. 

our stock mits triton 09 model turbo diesel...

flew up calcup hill on the first attempt!

where as a landcruiser took 5 attempts!!!.

now where are going to start another reliability/strong war.

my grandad had a brand new 80 series, the clutch slipped, the CV joint was going out.

and our triton has been fine and the cruiser wasnt even used offroad

It was a great weekend guys. Our little challenge was all in fun. We didn't prove anything.

I got to meet some great folks, sit around the camp fire, have roast pork from a cobb cooker, plenty of beer, Jacks & moonshine (hic).

Some good fishing was had by all, just an awesome weekend.

much better built car and i dont see the jeeps winning any overlander awards the toyota's soaks up all the glory

we all have our reasons behind what sort of vehicle we decide to drive be it a mitsi, toyota, jeep, holden, etc. This was all a bit of fun and as long as my vehicle gets me in and out again and can help any other fishos stuck (sometimes me) or serious offroad drivers all that really matters is we get home safe and sound. 

you bunch of tools the landcruiser was biult for the toughest conditions on earth basically and the wrangler was made for yankee's that cant afford the big F trucks or the chevys although awsom of road the wrangler hasnt many issues accept the aproch angle is a little dodgy because you can damage the steering and the landcruiser hasnt got many problems accept rust so is you want a good 4x4 either is a good choice but come on ppl of coarse the cruiser wins its a toyota

you bunch of tools the landcruiser was biult for the toughest conditions on earth basically and the wrangler was made for yankee's that cant afford the big F trucks or the chevys although awsom of road the wrangler hasnt many issues accept the aproch angle is a little dodgy because you can damage the steering and the landcruiser hasnt got many problems accept rust so is you want a good 4x4 either is a good choice but come on ppl of coarse the cruiser wins its a toyota