trailer question trophy 2002
Submitted by surfymuzz on Thu, 2015-06-18 18:58
hey guys just about to buy a trophy 2002, year 2000
it has a ezy loader i think (american trailer), its a drive on trailer, dual axle
it says aggregate trailer mass 2000kg, does that mean it can only tow 2t?
its got the 175 optimax on the back
is this trailer fine? its galvanised ali
been reading a few topics and not sure if the boat loaded will exceed 2000kg
also will this boat be under the 2.5m width so i wont need a towing permit?
cheers
Rob H
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yes 2000kg
above this weight it needs to have a different braking setup
its either galvanised steel or ally?
You need to get the boats model number and jump on their website for the dimensions-should be able to get both an indicative weight and definitive beam
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Vinesh87
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They are a 2.49m beam so no
They are a 2.49m beam so no restrictions!
My Trophy 2152 empty was 2100kgs. Fully loaded it was 3000kgs. I pulled all the american S&^% running gear off and rebuilt the trailer!
That being said mine was a inboard with a full hardtop so you will be a bit lighter!!
surfymuzz
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thanks
galvanised steel sorry
yeh its a trophy 2002, year 2000
just getting the braking detailes now.
z00m
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The manual for the boat
The manual for the boat lists it as 8'1" wide like Vin mentioned so not overwidth.
www.trophyboatparts.com/Manuals/1708205.pdf
Nada guides says the boat has a net weight of 3342 pounds or 1515Kgs. Not sure if that includes the trailer.
The trailer should be able to tell you the tare weight of the trailer itself.
When the boat was imported it was subject to stringent checks so as long as things haven't been modified since it came to WA you should be pretty right.
Starbug
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Sounds like the trailer may
Sounds like the trailer may be a little under gunned.
crowie
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Weighbridge
Tow the boat to a local tip and use their weighbridge and find out how much it weighs, try and make sure you have around abouts how much fuel you would normally take fishing and some other shit in there to get the most acurate weight for everyday use. Upgrade the trailer if you need to.
Vinesh87
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Yeh the problem is to upgrade
Yeh the problem is to upgrade a trailer from 2000kg to 3000kg will cost ya between 3-5k.
4 brake sets
4 new tyres
New brake lines
1 new hydrastar
1 breakway unit
Extra wiring
Possible new axels ( being US)
surfymuzz
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hmmm
why would it come on a trailer that is so light?
tare weight is 500kg
the trailer is the same year as the hull so they would have come over together
very strange
Vinesh87
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Because they dont have the
Because they dont have the same rules in the US. So to meet regs here they only licensed it to 2000kgs.
z00m
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Boatpoint has a review of the
Boatpoint has a review of the 2052 and all up weight on the trailer was 2200kgs. The 2052 is the v6 inboard version of the same hull so you would need to find out the weight difference between that motor and the 175 on the boat you are looking at. I'm guessing that dry, the boat and trailer will be right around 2t.
As the guys have stated taking it to a weigh bridge is really the only way to know what that particular boat and trailer combination weighs.
kirky79
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A bit more
I've got the 2052 Trophy and with the Diesel motor and about 80 litres shy of full it weighed in at 2.66 t. Checked it about a month ago.
surfymuzz
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cool
so with the aggregate mass and trailer included its 2500kg right?
pelagicyachts
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To avoid any doubt - take it
To avoid any doubt - take it to a weighbridge - there is one at North Port (Freo) and weigh the boat and trailer, it will cost you circa 100 bucks and you will know for sure.
Insurance companies are cracking down on this, have an accident, at fault or not and if you trailer is not rated for the total capacity and/or your car is not rated to tow the total capacity and you can guess what the payout figure from them is - zero!
Are you willing to risk everything you have for that? - clean up a new Roller and someones going to be chasing you for 700-800k !!
just my view on it mate- i took my CC over a weigh bridge a few years ago - was supposed to weigh 2.6t and it came in at 3.1 with 1/4 of a tank of fuel and empty -
Rob H
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weigh bridge
a hundred bucks to weigh it-HOLY SHIT, for real??
Go to any rubbish tip, scrap metal, grain feed place etc and they will likely do it for you for nothing or $25 if you need a cert though only some can issue it for purpose of a DOT inspection.
DOT website will list places that can do it if you need a cert but if they charge you $100
but most places as above if you ring and go at a quiet time will do it for 5/8 of f-all.
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pelagicyachts
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100 bucks is not a lot for
100 bucks is not a lot for piece of mind, they give you a certificate of the weight, the boat make, rego and hin and same for the trailer - does the tip do that for 25 bucks? - ......no
Rob H
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why do you need a cert for
why do you need a cert for the boat and how do you get it without returning twice, and if you dont need one for trailer registration then what do you need a certificate for?
Besides the cert you need for rego DOESNT have the boat on it, it is the Tare weight.
Yes in the Midwest Geraldton Seed Services does the certificate for $25 but were happy to let me weigh mine unhitched when it was quiet for free.
Id be suprised if everywhere in Perth charged $100
There is also a public weighbridge you can drive on for free and view the weight near Caravanland.
In Perth here is a list of the public weighbridges if you need a cert, if you dont there are numerous places that can do it as mentioned above.
Ring around for a price.
https://www.mainroads.wa.gov.au/Documents/Distance%20Book%20-%20Weighbridges%202013.RCN-D14%5E2312392.PDF
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surfymuzz
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why
why do you need a cert?
what benefit would that have?
Rob H
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only if you are putting it
only if you are putting it over the pits then you must have the Tare weight (empty) certified to go on the VIN plate
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Tamale Park tip is free if
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kirky79
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Mandurah tip
Cost about $25
surfymuzz
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confirm
thank guys
can i just confirm that the aggregate mass is only whats ontop of the trailer not including the tare mass?
so if the aggregate mass is 2000kg then the boat/motor/fuel and anything on the boat needs to be 2000kg or less right?
Rob H
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Bucko
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No, not correct. If the ATM
No, not correct.
If the ATM (Aggregate Trailer Mass) on the trailer is 2000kg, then that's the total weight of the trailer and boat.
So if the trailer weighs say 500kg, you boat better be under 1500kg or you are over weight.
Better check it out.
surfymuzz
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hmmm
yeh the boat itself weighs 1500kg..... tare mass is 500kg so with the motor and fuel this will be well above the 2000kg aggregate mass.
this sucks
getting a ripper deal on this boat.... how has this been on the road for so long....
holth
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Surely not. I cant see the
Surely not. I cant see the hull alone coming in at 1500kgs. Its only a 20ft boat. Must use alot of timber in those hulls.
Vinesh87
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400kgs of motor, 300kgs of
400kgs of motor, 300kgs of fuel? And yes a heavy hull
Edit its only a 175 outboard so not 400kgs ut still over 2000kgs loaded
surfymuzz
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disc brakes
the trailer is also disc braked
surfymuzz
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wire
and they are conected to a wire, so the wire tightens and applies pressure on the brakes with a caliper
what type of brakes are these?
Rob H
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override brakes-when you
override brakes-when you slow down the tow hitch compresses and pulls the cable.
Above 2000kg you need electric over hydraulic with brakes on all axles.
If you are only towing locally, probably dont stress too much over it.
Youd be VERY unlikely to get checked UNLESS you have an accident....
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pelagicyachts
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and towing locally in traffic
and towing locally in traffic is where you are most likely to have an accident...........
Rob H
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For sure
For sure but many here will be doing it already knowingly or unwittingly
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surfymuzz
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Update
From a trailer guy
says it only has mechanical brakes on 1 axle
would cost 6-8k to upgrade trailer.
What are your thoughts guys?
getting this boat for a great deal and would hate for this trailer to kill the deal :(
i know the boat can tow t no worries but it's just insurance I'm worries about.
If there was an accident and it was someone else's fault would this be an issue with my trailer rating?
surfymuzz
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Cost
Getting this boat for $25k all up
year 2000 trophy 2002 with a 175 2006 optimax with 386 hours.
Vinesh87
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The trailer figure is about
The trailer figure is about what most will charge. You could do it yourself for about 3kish. I did mine.
Honeslty after owning one with a 220hp, i wouldnt buy one with a 175 BUT i use to load mine up and go out wide. Great family boat, great ride, great alround boat really.
You don't get much for 25k these days
z00m
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Trophy 2002
According to the specs the 2052 was 18 inches longer than the 2002 so this could account for the extra weight Vin. 175 was also the maximum rating for the outboard model.
holth
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Just Make your offer to buy
Just Make your offer to buy subject to boat being taken over weighbridge to see if trailer is legal to carry the boat.
If the seller isnt interested just walk.
It seems your hung up on this so your up for more money if it isnt legal. Is it still a good deal if you have to sink anither 5k into it.
surfymuzz
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hmm
i spoke to my friend and he said the ATM is anything ontop of the trailer to 2000kg will be fine
the tare mass isint included in the 2000kg ATM (aggregate trailer mass)
and front axle mechanical brakes are fine for a trailer up to 2000kg...
Vinesh87
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As already stated by Rob
As already stated by Rob and a few others this is incorrect. Ring DPI if you dont believe us. ATM is the combined weight or your trailer and boat. So if the tare is 500kgs the max your boat can be is 1500kgs.
z00m
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GCM
Aggregate mass is the aggregate or combined total of the trailer and whatever is on it. If the trailer and all of its loaded weight is over 2000kg then the trailer needs electric breakaway brakes and the vehicle needs a tow rating of whatever the total is.
If you are looking to be certain, just ask the owner to get it weighed. Alternatively, if you ask the boat park where the boat is racked their forklifts often have aweight measurement of the loads they are picking up for safety reasons. Maybe they can give you the exact weight of the boat? Add that to your 500kg trailer and you'll know for sure.
Starbug
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No No no!As others have
No No no!
As others have said ATM is the tare weight of the trailer plus the load!
If your max ATM is 2000kg and your trailers tare weight is 500kg, then your max load you can place on it is 1500kg.
Have a look here!
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/lbu_vs_ib_107.pdf
Rob H
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Just google it or follow the
Just google it or follow the link above or look at my cut and paste-or listen to your mate who knows
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