Upcoming Election - Shooters Fishers Farmers Party
Submitted by Tradewind on Mon, 2017-01-30 17:42
It's going to be a tough one with One Nation pressuring a lot of seats, but if you want to keep Water ways open, fair access for 4x4 & Land use including Shooting and a fair go for farmers then consider supporting SFFP
Great to see this year there's 19 Lower house candidates and 16 Upper house candidates
Good luck Rick & Team!
OOH YEH
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All for them !!!!
Got my vote !!!!!!
Rob H
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Make sure you actually read
Make sure you actually read the policies, too many people just vote because of a parties name...
Not just talking about SFFP, but any, especially minor parties as you will often find they are going to trade something else that you dont know about.
And sometimes the medicene is worst than the disease
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Jackfrost80
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The no 1 priority is making
The no 1 priority is making sure you have the Watermellons dead last and religious parties just above them
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
diver albie
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good advice Rob
to often the vote for a fringe party is a vote that doesn't really help. If the party has no idea about fiscal responsibility, and running the state / country what's the up s7de in voting for them?
sea-kem
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I'll be voting for Ben
I'll be voting for Ben Wyatt, he is an awesome local member and spends a lot of time looking after his constituency, he actually cares and is a genuine bloke.I've actually met him a few times in social situations and is a good bloke to talk to. Wouldn't even know who the local Liberal member is never seen him/her. The shame of it is is that I don't agree with Labour's policy on Roe 8, I think Colin's done his dash. We are all doomed lol
Love the West!
big john
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Social Engineers
Hopefully the Greens implode over here like they are nationally, bunch of communist retards. They've really lost their way.
Sadly Labour and the Greens are joined at the loin/sphincter.
SFFP will get my vote, one of the two big parties will always run the show but it always helps if you can be involved in helping form the balance of power, good leverage. Will keep hunting, fishing, 4wding, trailbike riding etc available as legal activities for a bit longer.
WA based manufacturer and supplier of premium leadhead jigs, fligs, bucktail jigs, 'bulletproof' soft plastic jig heads and XOS bullet jig heads.
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Bryce Day
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SFFP don't get my vote that's
SFFP don't get my vote that's for sure!
Maybe leading by example may help....
witnessed first hand!
out wide
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One Nation for me. Supports
One Nation for me. Supports farmers right among other things. And i bet all for fisher peoples rights also. Very anti green and alp what more do you want.
opsrey
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I shall be considering Australains for Australian jobs
I'm over visa workers taking training and job opportunities away from our youth and unemployed Adults.
1.3 million visa workers is not what Australia needs in my humble opinion.
petermac
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if your realy over
if you over all these workers coming in on 457 visas you will have to vote labour , mark mcgowan has said day 1 he will tear up the list of approved jobs allowed into wa on 457s
carnarvonite
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Won't
Definitely won't be voting either Liberal or National parties that's for sure.
Tossing up going for Pauline as I'm not sure if the Fishers and Shooters have a candidate up here
Swompa
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The hardest part of voting
The hardest part of voting is deciding who comes last, greens or religious folks.
The minor parties are all good and well but what can they really do?
With regards to Roe 8. Labor came out and said they would cancel it, now they said they would re-negotiate it and go ahead with it because the outer harbour plan they talk about will need traffic getting to the coast anyhow...any how long will it take to build a harbour from scratch? How can the greens support a new harbour?
One Nation are opposed to it Roe 8. I don't know why. Further Labor's metro net plan isn't a commitment until 2024 or something like that so that is two elections time.
Liberal for me. No one could have seen the massive collapse in Iron Ore and Oil revenue. They have built new hospitals, schools, the stadium, Betty's Jetty and kicking off Roe 8 amongst other things. I think it will A regrettable thing like voting out Howard just because we wanted something new...all the things that have been bitched about have actually happened under this government. They had balls and the state will be better off in the long run.
D_d_001
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pretty well said Swompa.
the only thing I disagree with is your first sentence. easy for me .....religious folk LAST. look what is happening in the USA with the religious fanatics. We just don't need superstitions holding back progress and creating hate.
I like the saying "I think it will (be) A regrettable thing like voting out Howard just because we wanted something new"
Spot on....just voting for change for change sake is idiotic. but a lot do. I also certainly agree that Liberal has a more long term approach. Labour always just seem to want to appease the masses in the short term with always huge consequences for the future.
uncle
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Happy to see barneys
Vaccine for meningococcal in the teenagers and the shark nets.
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
Moist and Salty
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Spot on you two. "It's time
Spot on you two. "It's time for a change" is the most frustrating horse shit argument that was bandied about more than I could believe.
And on the religious side, the thought that the rules set by my imaginary friend are better than your imaginary friend is the most regressive notion affecting society today
Billcollector
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Nearly all the things Swompa
Nearly all the things Swompa still waiting on our boating facility up here, Barnett lost a lot of votes here including mine by pulling the pin on that,and judging by the candidates may as well throw the ballot paper in the bin
Dale
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I don't generally vote for anyone, hate politics, so why endorse it by voting for fuckwits. Probly get my name taken off the list and then walking out. Do that 99% of the time.
"Just because you are a Character, Doesn't mean you have Character."
Mr Wolf
The_Wanderer
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Why not vote for SFFP then?
Why not vote for SFFP then? At least then you know that they will be fighing to protect your hobby and if Labour/Greens get in may offer some much needed balance to thier ban/protect everything approach. Look at what the Nutters are trying to achieve in NSW.
Rob H
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a bit sad
Sorry Dale, but that is just plain stupid and you have gotten and will get exactly the government, laws and taxes you deserve.
However I do believe that voting shouldnt be compulsory, for exactly the reasons Dale has listed, its called the donkey vote and is what gives an advantage to whoever is listed first on the paper.
Spend 30 minutes to look into what the issues are and and at least make it count.
I try to point out to my kids the pointlessness of arguing with mum for 10 minutes about who does a 2 minute job.
Still have to do it, but get all the grief with it.
If your gonna visit the polling booth might as well make it count...
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Swompa
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In the last Australian
In the last Australian federal election, some seats were separated by as little as 7 votes. Votes actually count. I agree though, it shouldn't be compulsary
petermac
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swompa
i credited you with more brains than that last post ofcourse you should have to vote
nightfish
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Voting is not and has never been compulsory in Australia
getting your name ticked off on Election Day however is compulsory. I'm with you though Rob, you don't vote or vote without understanding then the whole state suffers. Education is on my highest priority this time around and the labour platform isn't ticking my boxes
Deckie
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USA.
USA classic example, followed by Brexit. You get what you vote for....
Beware the "Election Promise" and read the fine print.
As was said above, most of the smaller parties are in bed with the major ones any way. That's where their vote goes if they don't win....
Cheers & Stay safe
sea-kem
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My opinion is that non
My opinion is that non compulsion leads to apathy. I reckon it's a good system we have here and the old saying if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Love the West!
Rob H
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Already got apathy combined
Already got apathy combined with donkey votes as above.
Eventually people come to think otherwise but meantime results are skewed by who is lucky enough to be at the start of the paper, or gives themselves a catchy but misleading party name.
Remember the Senate paper in the Federal election last year, about a meter long...
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
sea-kem
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Lol I hear you and yeah that
Lol I hear you and yeah that senate paper was a joke.
Love the West!
grantarctic1
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What election
What election are you all talking about, LOL.
Seems to me that One Nation is the only group campaigning and every one else has forgotten all about it .
Barnet doesn't give a toss, he has claimed if re elected he wont see the term out.
Labor/Greens are just pathetic and cant suggest a policy between them.
I have voted for SFFP since they had candidates available in our elections, but if you guys don't start showing, and telling the people why we should vote for you, One nation are going to march away with the seats that you could have.
On a side note, I cant wait for the day people stop voting for the major parties, this misconception that the country would fall apart without them needs to be tested.
Jamie-Chester
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SFFP also dont support state taxes
Land Tax, Payroll tax and stamp duty could be abolished with just a 70% return of our gst share. These taxes suck. SFFP supports the reduction/abolition of these pretty unjust taxes
ranmar850
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yeh, that's great.
Really. But how do you get our fair share of the GST raised here, back? Do they have a plan for that, or just plan to abolish the other taxes and hope it all works out?
Jackfrost80
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Are they going to announce
Are they going to announce our local candidates so that we can get in touch with them? If they think we'll vote SFFP on the day simply because we fish, shoot or own farms they're sadly mistaken as a lot of us have MLAs that extremely hard working at a community level.
www.shootersfishersandfarmerswa.org.au/candidates/
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
meglodon
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A question to SFFP
Where do these guys stand on the question of making the wearing of life jackets compulsory when in a boat, be it the river,estuary or the sea.
meglodon
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Have just learnt that SFFP preferences
I have just read that the SFFP preferences will go to the libs.
That's the end of SFFP for me.
hellmansam
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SFFP
Where did you read that ? I haven't seen the preferences yet but did once attend a SFFP state committee meeting where I learnt more than I ever wanted to about preferences ! They are carefully worked out to give SFFP the best possible chance of getting candidates up. The SFFP is no fan of the Libs or ALP, shooters will get this but fishos have barely felt the impact of unreasonable regulation and restriction that shooters have copped.
The first SFP rep, Rick Mazza was elected partially on the back of a preference deal with the Greens - some shooters were very offended by the idea of such a deal and could not see past it to grasp that it worked got them a rep elected and in that deal the SFP got the better of the Greens who lost two seats in that election.
The SFFP doesn't intend to be the government but to represent the interests of outdoors loving people and stop us being further locked out of OUR resources by policies designed to appeal to the urban masses who don't fish or hunt. One of the major parties will always be the government, education, health, trade etc will be stuffed up as per usual by them in their turn as has always been the case.
The major parties don't need our vote, but our pastimes will always be up for grabs to trade off with urban greenies unless we vote ourselves some representation.
take the road less travelled, for there are fewer dickheads on it...
big john
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Jigs available online in my web store!
Bryce Day
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SFFP down at rifle shoot
SFFP down at rifle shoot today, funny bunch. They say yes a lot!
hellmansam
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SFFP down at rifle shoot
Which club ? do you like the idea of having some politicians on the side of shooters and fishers ? Do you trust that the majors will not keep using gun laws for political points ?
take the road less travelled, for there are fewer dickheads on it...
hellmansam
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Local candidate
As far as I know it was the local candidate Clinton Thomas who you saw at the Coolilup Range. He's a first time candidate, I haven't met him yet but I have met the actual leader Rick Mazza and sat in on a WA Committee meeting and have a lot of confidence in Rick and the rest of the SFFP in WA.
Have you read any of the SFFP policies Bryce ?
take the road less travelled, for there are fewer dickheads on it...
Bryce Day
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policies a lot i dont agree
hellmansam
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Silencers, suppressors,
Silencers, suppressors, moderators, whatever you want to call them are widely used in other countries(UK, NZ and more) with no special conditions etc and their sky hasn't fallen. What's the problem if we did have that option, I'd have one on my .22 for rabbit shooting (if their numbers ever rebound) You wouldn't have to get one if you didn't want to. They were legal in Australia and made here not terribly long ago.
That's only a small part of their policies.
What I'm seeing in your replies is a real lack of content bar a personal dislike of one candidate. Fair enough, I've never heard of the bloke until just recently, haven't met him at all. However it seems a bit short sighted given that one of the majors will be the government regardless of how well SFFP does in the election. Vote for the party's policies, not the person.
I ask you to consider this - if the current and long term trends continue, in a few years or less you may well be among the few who still have a shooting sport to enjoy, until the likes of Gun Control Australia set their sights on the kind of firearms you use (I've shot TR and F Std/Open at Swanbourne, Coolilup and Darwin) and I predict there will be a scare campaign along the lines of the Adler shotgun where the media will alert the public to the dangers of "sniper rifles" that can shoot a person from 900m - nobody needs such high powered long range weapons in their home etc etc. And the politicians from both major parties will go with the flow because there are votes in that, and there aren't enough votes in standing up for the shooting sports.
Fishos or shooters, our vote means nothing to the major parties, unless you vote for your shooting sport, and other outdoors pastimes like fishing, camping and 4WDing. I see the Libs have made a pitch for fishos votes with an election promise of more artificial reefs - an empty promise given they are meant to be funded with money we pay for Rec. Fishing licenses. In other words they promise to give us what is ours anyway, and not theirs to give.
take the road less travelled, for there are fewer dickheads on it...
Bryce Day
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ill vote for someone i
ill vote for someone i believe in.
simply put im not going to vote for someone i dont trust.
Why do we need an 8 shot shotgun? I really hope they take them away (even though they have reduced them to 5 shot). Apart from looking intimidating they are pointless! and if the bunny population explodes an 8 shot shotgun wont change much.
Andddd i dont believe in all their policies. Rifles should be capped to a set number per person.; No need at all for more than 5 rifles per person.
And you shouldnt be to worried about who everyone else will vote for. personal or policy. just be happy who You vote for.
hellmansam
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Why don't you just hand in your gun now ?
Shooters like you are known as the "enemy within" for going along with the Anti's view that if they don't need something, its ok to ban it. You see shooting only within the context of what you do, and are willing to accept others being restricted because it doesn't affect you. You can't even come up with a sound argument for any of the restrictions you support. Gun crime statistics, Senate Inquiry findings and such do not support what you believe in ! The Greens do though, you're quite well aligned with their views on guns.
A limit on the number of rifles/firearms ? why - what evidence is there to support that ? do people with more (licensed) guns do more harm than those with just a couple ? I'd say someone with tens of thousands invested in a gun collection is less likely to risk losing the lot than someone with one or two firearms.
Stuff like that is 'thin end of the wedge' a step towards a limit of zero. I don't own or have a use for any kind of shotgun ATM. But I can see how people with a need to shoot more than one or two ferals at a time would find them useful. Such as a mob of pigs - a skilled shooter could well get a few of them before they bolt out of range.
You don't NEED to do the type of shooting you do at the range, it's a want. So by your version of logic it'd be OK to ban rifles that can shoot more than 200 metres, because politicians can sell that as making the public safer. I mean really, we all have a right to walk around in public without having to worry about being shot by a sniper from 300m away - something you could easily do with your F Class or TR rifle.....
take the road less travelled, for there are fewer dickheads on it...
Bryce Day
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It all comes down to frame
It all comes down to frame of mind if your going to risk loosing the lot.
All shooting is a want if you put it that way.... Why cant we ban all firearms and live in peace ??????? gun nuts like you want a gun for every day..... not needed.
What we need is love in this world. not people that want everything for themselves.... surely there are better ways to wipe out a mob of pigs than letting you have an unlimited amount of guns to blast them to death with??????
But its not who can do what with a gun. Im not voting for him. So jump up and down as much as you like. It aint happening.
But thanks for labeling me the "enemy from within" without knowing me.... its been a good wind up. All the more reason not to vote
big john
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WTF?
Hellmansam is a licenced firearms owner who likes shooting various legal guns so therefore he's a gun nut? I'd expect that from a green fucktard, not so much from a fellow shooter.
Personally I can't understand why someone needs 20 fishing outfits, 12 golf clubs etc.
Good work Sam, keep hunting and shooting mate while you can, bit by bit this countries going to the dogs. Soon we'll only be able to eat basa, all fishing will be eventually banned if the greens get their way.
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Jigs available online in my web store!
Jackfrost80
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Hey BJ, do you drive with
Hey BJ, do you drive with your putter or put with your driver?
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
big john
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Classic
I don't play golf. You only need 4 don't you? Driver, putter, something in the middle and your sand wedge. Why do you need the other 8?
WA based manufacturer and supplier of premium leadhead jigs, fligs, bucktail jigs, 'bulletproof' soft plastic jig heads and XOS bullet jig heads.
Jigs available online in my web store!
sea-kem
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Shoot for show and putt for
Shoot for show and putt for dough BJ you are correct, the rest are just peripheral.
Love the West!
Jackfrost80
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Definitely need a 3 iron for
Definitely need a 3 iron for hacking your way back out of the trees.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
sea-kem
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Lol I sometimes use my shit
Lol I sometimes use my shit putter for that with great effect.
Love the West!
Jackfrost80
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I upgraded my irons and kept
I upgraded my irons and kept my old 3 iron and hit it like I'm playing an off drive in cricket. Can be a cause for concern when you hit a tree and it comes back towards you at a rate of knots. I was playing every weekend and haven't swung a club since I got the boat. The missus is great but I reckon I'll be stretching it if I come home, wash the boat then head out for a quick 9
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
Bryce Day
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Capel.
Capel. Maybe if they had a different leader. But not at this point!
hellmansam
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I'm interested to understand
I'm interested to understand what you saw/heard that put you off ? and how you think voting for the majors will make a difference vs voting for SFFP
take the road less travelled, for there are fewer dickheads on it...
Bryce Day
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Just what i saw. Put me off.
Just what i saw. Put me off.
meglodon
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SFFP preferences
I'm pretty sure I read it in last Tuesday week west Australian newspaper when there was a two page spread on minor political parties in the WA forth coming election.
I don't like the preference voting system, but I also acknowledge that this is the system we are stuck with, unless you vote below the line which is what I'll do then you can pick who gets your preferences.
Rob H
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Preferences
You do not, in anyway have to give your preferences anywhere you dont want.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Jackfrost80
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I did it in the last Federal
I did it in the last Federal election but only to make sure I put the Greens last and religious parties second last ans then just donkey voted the rest.
Took a hell of a lot longer than 2 mins not doing it seriously.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
Rob H
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Probably wont be as many as
Probably wont be as many as the senate one, a worry if the paper is a meter long again...
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
sphere
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Upper house has teice has
Upper house has teice has many candidates as the senate a touch over 300
Rob H
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But not all in your
But not all in your electorate?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
eziliving
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Exactly right. Your
Exactly right. Your preference can go to anyone you wish to if you fill the form out the long way.
Get busy living, or get busy dying!
Swompa
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What is the stance of SFP on
What is the stance of SFP on Roe 8 and 9?
hellmansam
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http://www.shootersfishersand
http://www.shootersfishersandfarmerswa.org.au/policies/
No mention of Roe 8 and 9
generally their policy is to work with the government of the day, not to be obstructive for the sake of it.
take the road less travelled, for there are fewer dickheads on it...
meglodon
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That's very good and responsable stance to take
If SFFP take that stance then that is IMO commendable, sadly too many of the smaller groups will swallow their principles when elected and forget why people voted for them.
Dale
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Too much political bullshit starting to clog up this one.
"Just because you are a Character, Doesn't mean you have Character."
Mr Wolf
sea-kem
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I'm having a real close look
I'm having a real close look at the micro business party, finally someone standing up for the small operators like me. We are the backbone of the country nad get shafted and forgotten all the time.
Love the West!
chris raff
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“Hello my name’s Mark
“Hello my name’s Mark McGowen from the Australian labor party “ .. anyone else getting stalked with numerous nuisance calls ? about 3 seconds in I’m hanging up . How many people would actually listen to all the BS , what a waste of coin and peoples time .
“Intelligence is like a four-wheel drive. It only allows you to get stuck in more remote places.”
out wide
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Im thinking the same Andy. I
Im thinking the same Andy. I employ 3 full time and 2 part time in my business and getting sick of all the regs & costs put on me. Just no end to it.
sea-kem
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I just can't afford a full
I just can't afford a full timer at the moment but I want to. When everything's added up wages, super , holiday pay, compo insurance and sick pay ( last bloke made sure he used it up everyyear) it becomes just too expensive. Especially when clients are cutting costs and want you to drop hourly rates. I can do a casual for now. Yes mate it's very frustrating.
Love the West!
grantarctic1
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We are forgoten
Not one of the major parties have invested in small business for well over 20 years. I have been riding the roller-coaster ride for a long time now and it is breaking my heart.
Every one loves mining but to me and other small businesses we are left to pick up the mess throughout every boom and bust.
Within a 0ne km radius of my workshop there are over 40 empty factories. ( I have the pictures to prove it )Some of these have been around for 30 + years and could not last out this downturn.
I don't think ill live long enough to see it, but I would like to see none of the major parties even get 1 seat, we have to stop voting for these idiots, they claim the country would fall apart with a parliament full of independent's and micro parties. I say lets see if that's true, give them a chance , they couldn't fuck it up any more than it already is .
Vote below the line, take 2 minutes extra to tell them exactly what you want.
sea-kem
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and you are right that we
Love the West!
Swompa
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I'd love to see how much
I'd love to see how much labors bill for advertising is this election. Seems to be 3:1 advertising ratio.
duncan61
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SFFP
I will be representing the SFFP at the state election>I support sound moderating on rifles as we can now load subsonic ammo with trail boss powder so why not sound moderate the standard rounds.The marine park situation is a fiasco.We have a well managed fishery and I grew up in the 70-80s and all that was in Cockburn sound was a few herring now we are seeing spanish mackeral at fremantle and big pink snapper in the swan river.I have seen what happened at Gnaraloo with the marine parks.It puts tremendous pressure on the adjoining areas.I met an elderly couple there before the marine park and they had about a 10 ft tinny with a 3 HP tohatsu and just fished in front off 3 mile camp.Now they would have to travel 5 k south like the rest of us
just do it.
Jackfrost80
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The SFFP candidate for
The SFFP candidate for Girrawheen has zero info up on the candidate section of their website and a quick check of him on FB shows him living in Waroona
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timboon
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Date Joined: 14/11/10
Good on you Duncan and I
Good on you Duncan and I couldn't agree more...
Bryce Bryce Bryce...
I've only just taken notice of this thread but alot of what has been spoken here about from Hellmansam is bang on the money!!
I wish people would stick to the facts when they speak about firearms, I have had a gutt full of all the wank and dribble and fear that gets pushed down peoples throats regarding gun ownership nowadays!!
Do people really think the gun buy back made this country safer? What a fucking load of shit!! All it did was penalise responsible gun owners and give people the chance to throw the old rifle they dont use that has never been registered legally in the bin...
Do you think any of the bikies rolled up and said here Mr Plod, here is a few sawn off shotguns from the container load we managed to get through the ports because we can because we dont need them now and Johnny vote grabbing Howard thinks its a good idea?!?! Of course not so what was the point?!?!
Bryce at what point am i a danger to my neighbours? 1 Air rifle? 1 Air rifle and a 22? 1 Air rifle a 22 and a shotgun? 1 Air rifle a 22 a shotgun and a 22 250?
You tell me mate at what point do alarm bells start going off in your head about me because of the above scenario, ok lets even add the Adler now...
1 Air rifle a 22 an under and over shotgun a lever action shotgun that holds 5 rounds and a 22 250? Holy smokes i bet my neighbours are shitting themselves now that any minute old Timboon is going to fucking let loose....
Bryce do you remember the days when you'd park at a pub in any country town and see the old hilux's etc with the gun rack behind the head rest against the back window. Wasn't so long ago, usually a shotgun, a 22 and a high powered fox rifle hanging on the rack, cars all unlocked they probably all had cartridges in the magazines also.
Whats changed now mate?
FEAR!! FEAR FEAR FEAR!! Everyone thinks anyone that owns a gun is a nutcase because thats what we get told!!
I've gone on long enough here now but a couple of other things its law that if you work for the NZ government you must use suppressors to limit hearing loss while using firearms, most kiwi hunters use them and wow has the fucking world ended, lets keep going back to the RESPONSIBLE ownership of firearms by those of us that are licensed!!
Here is a link on how gun ownership works in Switzerland for those that care -
Timboon
http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/
Jackfrost80
Posts: 8051
Date Joined: 07/05/12
If you left anything let
If you left anything let alone a loaded firearm in a car outside a country pub these days it'd be stolen by a local glass bbq connoisseur before you could finish a middy of export
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dodgy
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Date Joined: 01/02/10
Export on tap?
Export on tap?
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Jackfrost80
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Date Joined: 07/05/12
Could be milked from a
Could be milked from a platypus for all I know. Never had the pleasure of ordering it over the bar
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dodgy
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Date Joined: 01/02/10
Me either. Thought they might
Me either. Thought they might of introduced it and I was the last to know.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
timboon
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Date Joined: 14/11/10
Yep sure Frost things have
Yep sure Frost things have changed but.... The people i associate with that hold firearms lisences haven't! They still treat firearms with the respect they deserve and use them accordingly...
Guns dont kill people, people kill people
petermac
Posts: 2946
Date Joined: 03/03/10
all valed comments
if you want one of our last goverment money making companys (western power) to fall in to offshore owenrship vote liberal , if you want roe 8 pushed through sensitive wet areas vote liberal , if you dont want shark culling vote liberal (they tryed it didnt like it) , if you want anouther white elephant like lizzy key vote liberal , if you want state debt to increase vote liberal and if you want to see a massive lose of jobs in the pilbara vote for brendan grills nationals
Swompa
Posts: 3786
Date Joined: 14/10/12
Western power costs the
Western power costs the government 2 million a day to operate. It does not make a profit. Yet buyers will be paid by the government to run it.
Labor are liars. On one hand they hate privatisation because they didn't think of it first yet the Kwinana port they propose will be privately owned and run.
They rip the shit out of Liberals spending yet have committed 4billion worth of promises all with the fine print saying "only if iron ore price stays above $x"
Roe 8 is not going through wetlands, it is going down already cleared land around bibra lake. Which option is worse, clearing land designated for a road for 60 years, or reclaiming seabed in Cockburn sound? Leave the fucking sound alone!!
I gather you are a smart man and hope you look behind the statements.
Swompa
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Date Joined: 14/10/12
"Both parties are relying on
"Both parties are relying on uncertain funding arrangements to deliver their election promises. To
date, the Liberal party has committed to spend $2.8 billion and the Labor party $5 billion. The
current budget deficit (for this year) is $3.39 billion and is projected to be $41 billion by 2020."
"If Labor loses this funding, they will be unable to pay for a number of their election promises. Labor’s plan to reduce freight trucks from Leach Highway is to redirect cargo to a new ‘outer harbour’ in Cockburn Sound. This project is yet to be costed, and if constructed would also likely attract significant environmentalist protest."
"Regardless of ownership, Western Power’s earnings are regulated by the independent Economic Regulation Authority (ERA), and campaigns linking ownership to power price increases are misleading."
meglodon
Posts: 5981
Date Joined: 17/06/10
Way back in 1959
I used to ride a push bike from Nth Cottesloe to the Swanbourne rifle range with a N04 USA property stamped 303 over my shoulder and compete in the big bore rifle shooting competitions. To the very best of my memory I can't recall having women running into their houses screaming there is a mass murderer riding up their street, there was no road blocks set up to stop my journey to the range, the air was not filled with choppers with a load of marksmen on board trying to get a clear shot at me, The "Bearcat" rescue vehicle (al armoured car) was not waiting in ambush for me.
There was no S W A T police armed with full auto 5.56 rifles who (as has been shown needed in excess of 80 odd rounds to bring down one man in a coffee shop) oh and kill a hostage.
How times have changed, well the publics perception of licenced firearm holders have.
hezzy
Posts: 1519
Date Joined: 27/11/09
im happy with gun laws as
im happy with gun laws as they are , to me the problem lies not with most gun owners , but with the fringe element of less than 5% in any group ,
the people who dont put them away & store thenm safely , so they get stolen , the ones who have some critical episode in their life and use one to create mayhem and tragedy , the media then play this up
at the time i did not like the gun buy back or removal of semi autos , however over time i do think it has been agood move , we have not had the ''yank ''style mass shootings , which very well could have taken root here in the last 20 odd years, we will never know ,
i like the laws as they are , and i am not a fan of suppressors , if you want to protect your ears, wear muffs ,
i like the sound of a weapon being fired , and it gives a certain awareness if your near one that it is being used ... which is not a bad reminder and keeps you alert when near firearms
people who want to kill others will always find away , look at recent weeks , vehicles it seems have now become a weapon that can kill at random and not just car accidents but willful murder acts on unsusspecting punters
our world preaches about human rights and animal rights , fact is each decade it becomes more violent & aggressive
peoples outlook on things has changed ,we are big bag of mixed lollies , with many varied thoughts and backgrounds,
god help us if we ever have another war or internal conflict ....peoples loyalties are hard to predict , with so many dual nationals , you would be bound to get major issues arise
to date we have avoided that ticking scenario ....... can we into the future ??
who knows ,
so for mine i would leave gun laws alone ....
hezzy
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chris raff
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SFFP .. have they offered
SFFP .. have they offered support and gone in to bat for Bret Carter at all ?
“Intelligence is like a four-wheel drive. It only allows you to get stuck in more remote places.”
big john
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Has
Has he approached them?
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Jackfrost80
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I'd hope not. You’re entering
I'd hope not. You’re entering dangerous territory when you have politicians meddling in court cases involving a Government department.
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Jackfrost80
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I was extremely concerned
I was extremely concerned today to discover my local Labor MLA who I've always voted for is suggesting we put The Greens third on the ballet. This is a screenshot from his facebook page.
I commented and asked him if The Green were funding a marina at City Beach and was deleted and blocked.
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duncan61
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Date Joined: 21/11/14
silencers
I agree with you hezzy.I am on enough gun forum and I get a bit of stick from the shooters who want free handguns for children and feel they should be able to own rifles that shoot 3500 metres.They are a minority and most of us responsible firearm owners work with the system however the sound moderating a few of us are going to do is to stop the huge muzzle blast from the .243 rifles my mates use at night off the roof of my ute.It is not needed to make that much noise A moderator will only reduce this not eliminate it completely.I have a .222 with a soft load that makes a cute crack so you could argue that they should get quieter rifles or download the ammo.Both of my offsiders have only the one rifle as a .243 is perfect if you are going to only have one rifle.I have spent years developing the 80gn load we all use.I have a .243 also which I will be using tommorrow to hunt pigs.
just do it.
Tradewind
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Date Joined: 18/09/12
It's your sort of reasonable
It's your sort of reasonable and responsible attitude that's the majority
There will always be fringe members to any hobby or interest group with loud voices that go too far but we shouldn't judge the whole based on the few
hellmansam
Posts: 25
Date Joined: 29/01/15
I don't get your point
I don't get your point regarding moderators duncan61....are you saying they should stay illegal because they don't make a high powered rifle silent ? that's pretty weird ! the government claims they are are threat to public safety because they make guns silent. The 243 is a popular deer cartridge in the U.K. and widely used with moderators - for much the same reason we have mufflers on our cars. It still sounds like a gun, just not so LOUD. Do you know why they were outlawed in Australia ? I don't. NZ is another country where mods are widely used. There are few things we could take from their gun laws which would make ours more reasonable
I'm a responsible gun owner and operate within the laws we have but there are a few aspects of them that don't stand up to any sort of logical examination. This is a far cry from wanting handguns for children or rifles that shoot 3500 metres.
If you are fit and proper person to own one gun, why shouldn't you be able to own several ? It might suit you to just use a 243 but other people may have different needs and hunting opportunities. There is no correlation between the number of guns a person has and the likelihood of them becoming a mass murderer. The more licensed guns a person has the more committed they are to staying within the laws, in order to keep them.
Somebody with one or two guns has a lot less to lose...
If you take notice of such things you would know that gun crime in Australia is largely done by unlicensed people with unlicensed handguns. Yet you could have your 243 seized and lose your license if you left some empty cartridges laying around in your car because in WA they are classed as ammunition.
take the road less travelled, for there are fewer dickheads on it...