Good law abiding citizens getting pushed closer to the edge,

Well i reckon your only a criminal when you get caught.

Dont no nothin about a V5 Ban, said a person from Collie

They have also taken away the ban on catching Blue Bone at the Islands.

More of that story from Saturday's West Australian:-

If they dont give the charter boat guys a bit of lee way then they will go out of bussiness .Its already a risk to pay $200 to go out fishing with them and have the chance of catching SFA let alone catch something decent and have to release it CHEERS SHAG

I could see this as an absolute boon for the charter boats. On the days that they receive concessions within the WCB, anyone that wants to target V5 would be compelled by legislation to book on a charter! If you can afford it and get on that is.

The other side of the coin of course being that you may now have an opportunity to fish the V5 (via charter) - but, of course at a cost and not on your own boat!

That said I really can understand REC fishers within the WCB being upset.

First season up, it IS a hard pill to swallow - no you can't retain V5 fish (remember, it's not illegal to fish for them!), but then there is now the prospect of a second pill in the very first season that REC fishos could be asked to swallow:

'They can and you can't'.

Ever tried to swallow two very large pills at once? They usually get stuck in your throat!

Setting aside the divided perspectives on the veracity of the WCB V5 seasonal retention ban for a moment, the inaugural introduction of this season, entailing curtailment of prized species during the prime recreational period, is unarguably,  a very big change for many recreational fishos within the WCB.

Should these possible concessions come to fruition, many would see this as a very large quantity of salt being poured into a very fresh wound. 

On the issue of divided perspectives on the veracity of the WCB V5 seasonal retention ban, there will, no doubt, be many that hitherto begrudgingly accepted and tenuously even respect the ban, but who's tenuous strings will be sorely tested and even snapped by what could reasonably be seen as inequittable.

Many would put forward the view and out cry that concessional days should apply to all. This would appease and address the commercial criticality of commercial fishing charter owners and, at the same time, provide equitability and palatability. It would, by the way, also address one of the lynch pin points put forward by many recreational fishos, and that was to have a longer period, with some windows of opportunity.

For the tackle industry, sorry guys but it would appear that your commercial criticality is apparently less imperative than others.

Colin Molloy

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

We only have ourselves to blam,When submissions were first called by the former (I hope ) minister for fisheries only 1300 were recieved from the recreational community I have been told,wereas over 20.000 were recieved from the commercial interests,it would seem they got united and took the time to mount a coordinated effort to get their own way,much as the proffessional cray lobby have done over the years,lets face it,we all pay taxes,buy boats ,trailers ,fuel,bait ,gear, licenses and regos in the thousands or hundreds of thousandsof dollars,most of these recreational fisherman work 5 days a week and only get 3 or 5 weeks holidays per year.There are 52 Saturdays,and 52 Sundays in the year,of which we have inclement weather that stops us from giong out fishing inboats plus the odd family or personal weekend we do not fish ,so I reckon on average we fet out boating about 26 Saturdays and Sundays If we are lucky,and out of those days how many allow us to go out wide after the better table fish,Most of us ,have boats that can only fish 3-5 people and only a small  proportion of these will ever catch any were near the limit of fish. The cray boats that are allowed to continue bottom fishing  as they supplied proof of history in catching bottom fish go out most days during the cray season,and are not restricted as much by weather,they also have a far more sophisticated electronics that the vast majority of recreationals,Im sure many of you have heard stories of the pro cray fisherman bringing in heaps of bottom fish,They claim their fuel back as a tax deduction also the costs of running servicing thier boats,simply put I do not think they should be allowed to have their fingers in the two pies,CRAYS and Bottom fish one or the other,Mr Minister of fisheries?as for the charter industrie,they once again are seeking out the bottom spiceis of sought after fish, on most charters they can have 15 to 20 people and once more go out when many small boats are not able too,you have some people not experienced in fishing that will reef in undersized fish which  is stuffed and will not survive particularly after it has been droped on the deck in the sun,I have yet to see a dhu fish or snapper with sun glasses,at least most,recreationals fisherman do not abuse the juvinile bottom fish,and try thier very best to allow them the best chance at return survival, While on this matter,the fisheries claim that very few Dhu fish they put bach survived? how did they do this (scientific) reasherch,if as I have been told and believe,they caught the fish in traps,then returned the fish in traps,then pulled the fish up again,(Still in the traps) to see how they went,I believe that if I or most people were put through this proccess of being pulled to the surface, checked over,possibly handeled,tagged,put back down and then days or weeks longer pulled up ,we would not be in very good condition either? I have personaly seen a once juvinile Dhu fish caught over a period of about 3 years grow to size,we know it was the same fish as there was a distintive injury on it that had healed,but the defference is ,if was handeled correctly and put back using the weighted methode of release,.Look people,I do not think any thing will be done by the minister or fisheries to give a more equeal deal to us recreational,I and a couple of my friends think there is to much money thrown around in certain areas   my thoughts not this sites or any of its members,lastly,I believe in back limits,size limits and even a closed season,but for all,not just the ordinary recreational person,after all,if the fish is breeding and is caught full of eggs ,and removed from the eco system ,wether it is an amature,charter paying fisherman,or professional cray fisherman,it is gone,by all means have a ,ban,closed or moratoriume for the good of the fish stocks,but have it for all,not allow the selfe interest groups only to continue and make the rest of us pay for it,if you,do then I say that this is corruption,Jersey

I wonder if every boat owner in WA put in for compensation for being unfairly treated by these new rules,as recreational fishers we don't get any tax relief on boat repairs, fuel, interest on boat loans and GST off any new fishing gear we need to operate our boats, like the pros and charter boys or would the fisheries broker a deal for us to fish alternate days with the pros and charter operators, so every third day we could have a fish for these so called V5 as it appears the 5 species are not that vulnerable if the pros have unlimited access during the spawning season and now it looks as if the charter boats are going to do the same. There was not enough thought put into the whole idea of closed seasons in the first place.

As I have said in past posts. It was only last year I believe that Cray boats were banned from FISHING !!! TerryF had posted up the figures. 1260ish PRO boats fishing for the V5 down to 160ish. Now we are talking V5 in the hundreds of tons(TerryF may have some figures) staying in the system!!!!! WHY would you not let this run for say the time it takes most V5 to become mature before bashing on the ban!!!! I would say that the V5 after 3 years or so would not look so V anymore!!!

ALWAYS TIME FOR FISHIN' 

Lots has been said and posted before.



For these possible charter proposals, did people miss:-

Some of these guys have 1/2 a mil or more invested in a boat and all of a sudden they say you can't fish for 4 months , I bet none of you's can go 4 months with out pay.

They are the only one's putting info into the system with compulsory log books etc.

 With the ban it's the rec fishers going deep that will impact on their fishing as I bet most recs will go and check out a charter boat just to see what their doing way out there( unless they have a $3000 sounder on board).

I'm not having a go at ANYONE , I can just see it from both sides of the fence , I too have a boat , nice little 18 footer and the bans will affect me just as much as the rest of the rec community

 PLEASE don't have a go at me, it won't bother me in the slightest but will get this important thread shut down,

End of brain fart.........................

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There's more than 1 way to manage the total catches of fish.
Get a fisheries department which does'nt work for the PRO"S

The most important thing is to manage, limit and control the number of fish killed.??????????????????????????????
Correct close it for everybody one month at a time for as long as it takes
Limited fishing days for everybody would mean that they can't fish on some days when others can (PRO'S).
It's swings and roundabouts only for the PRO'S if all the sums WHERE done properly and openly in the first place years ago we wouldnt be in this situation now ?????
Crayfish a well managed fisheries soon bag limit for recs 4 after the pro's have 4 houses each at every port on the coast. Well manage
Crab fisherie another well managed project recs fish for them 3 months a year and were still paying for the PRO slaughter

I hve said it before…..if you look at the figures for commercial demersal fisheries it doesn’t add up. The return per kilo the pro’s get is not economically sustainable. Like fruit and vegies, milk, red meat and other perishables the retailers and supermarkets make the biggest profit- fishermen and farmers get very little.

500 tonnes of fish for the whole WC at say $6.00kilo = 3 million dollars...split that between 40 boats......

Compare that with what social and economic benefits recreational angling offers……

 read the Managing the Recreational Catch of Demersal Scalefish on the West Coast, Fisheries Management Paper No 225, September 2007.  Interesting reading, it seems the amateurs catch (per tonne) more than the professional fisherman (per tonne) Its got us wondering where did these figures come from, our voluntarily supplied to fisheries volunteers etc?

SPEWIE LEWIE

ALL the charter boat figures goes in as REC caught fish not commercial caught fish.

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halving bag limits not the answer/ hooks out of water is.

If a taxi takes you to a nightclub they should have a liquor lic???? catch a bus to work and they should get your pay for the day ?? after all they did get you there.

Charters only take people out there , the REC angler has to catch it .

 the boat doesn't get any fish and they have to keep to rec bag limits and sizes, AND keep DETAILED records.

IF the crew fish they have to abide by rec laws just like everyone else , some of the rec boats have the same gear on board re sounders and plotters and most rec boats have better gear ie braided lines etc .

 I can't see them as commercial fishers if they have to go by all the rec laws.

If you want to class them as pro's then they shouldn't have any bag limits and should be able to sell their catch.

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I can't (hopefully) see this thread dying soon , nor should it.

Mav, I CAN see where you are coming from. 

IMO, no; Charter boats should be in a class by themselves, they are, if you like, a hybrid between RECs and PROs. To me, debating whether they are either one or the other won't go anywhere. Yes, the skippers and (most) deckies make money - so that makes it a commercial consideration. But, they take REC fishers onboard and submit their catches to DoF through what I understand is a compulsory requirement.

So; how about we set asside the debate on whether they are PROs or RECs and agree their just a third (like I said) Hybrid.

I can accept that, to completely curtail their operations for a sustained time, especially in a 'peak season period' would (could) cause financial hardship. 

LOL, that, I think is a bit of a hybrid situation (given the 'concession' goes through), yes, everyone on deck that's fishing have to abide by REC laws (in some cases one could say more stringently), but they have that concession - so they don't have to abide by the WCB V5 take. More good reason IMO to look at them as 'hybrid'.

That all said, I can still understand that to have diffeent days where FISHING CHARTERS can and can't fish and RECS can and can't fish isn't going to go down well.

So, what's an alternative? Here's two:

1) Have FISHING CHARTERS and RECS (not)allowed to go on the same day and extend the WCB V5 no take period. 

2) Both FISHING CHARTERS and RECS must observe the proposed no take period and the FISHING CHARTER companies are fincially compensated.

How's that sound?

Colin Molloy

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

I will take my half a brain and go.

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OFW   Agent 88

Like I said, I can see your point...

Colin Molloy

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

we all have our opinions on this doesn't mean your opinion is half a brain,  dreamweaver, excellent, yes there should be something between reo'c & pro's, dreamweaver love your hybrid, something has to be done, to be fair to everybody, a lot of these charter boats also own crayboats up and down the coast, so income is secure.

SPEWIE LEWIE

I havn't seen Al for over 4 months , maybe you could ring him for me and get his comments.

If you ever met him you would know I wouldn't be speaking for him.

Well,when I put the headfing Apathy amungst recfishermen I wanted to see some comments and open dialog ,great I got it,but I still say wake up fellow recreational fishermen,or start selloing your gear,as the only way you may get a fish is by paying for a spot on a charter boat,this in turn will stimulate more dollars for the  commercial (by definition Professional ) charter operators,but,it may cost a few boat service place to close down,also the odd tackel  shop,and other related organisations.As I said,once a fish,Dhu black ars or whatever is taken from the eco system,it is gone,the breeding time for Dhus is from my limited knowledge from around December, January,Febuary? closing the season to all pressure fishing would make sence but this is when the recreational will not be able to fish V5s but the questionable Pros are? and ,dont we get some fairly strong winds in these months? making it somewhat difficult for the smaller boats to safely go out any distance around Perth waters at least,but not a 35-45 footer with 12-20 paying recreational (PAYING) fishermen on board nor the pro cray fishermen that are still able to catch fin fish(v5) whilst looking for crays,yes they can claim the fuel for this as they are cray fishing?

mavereke asked were I got the numbers from,Firstly,yes,I and two other peo[ple I know sent in submissions (for all the good that did) as for the 1300 and 20000 a person who has a boating bussiness in the northern suburbs told me,not out of spit for the pros or they way the minister went but in talking and why we the rec fishermen can only blame themselves,he also told me that the wife and co owner of one of Perths most widly known tackle outlets had tried to impress their customers the importance of putting in their submissions,but I will bet anyone a blowie against a skippy,the commercial aspects of this debate were not as tardy,Quite frankly,I do not give a tinkers toss over the restrictions,only that one part of the community has been singeld out by questionable information,to carry the brunt of exclussions that in the end will not help the v5 stokes due to other parties not having to abide by the same rules.  

until they see what this pro exclusion zone around Perth does and there is good DATA on why this ban is needed. 

...and therein lies ( to lay down or not tell the truth) the lynch pin point.

Yup! Totally agree with you Mav! Whether you talk about the constraints (inadequacies) of the 2005 creel survey, or the emotionally promulgated murdoch study on dhufish(Stateline episode), to me (and it would seem many others) the pivotal point is adequate (therefore incontestable) data. Which we are somewhat bereft of.

And because I back the charters to operate you think I have a vested interest

Nope! I have far too much respect for you to make that conclusion, and I think many here feel the same way. What I DO think you have is a very valuable and important perspective to contribute.

Sure. It IS an emotional issue. But; if we talk ABOUT our feelings, as opposed to talking WITH them, then there is a chance to reach agreement.

Colin Molloy

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

But if the charter operators want to work under REC rules, then its one in, all in. You cant flip flop your position to suit you whenever you feel.

If you start making special exemptions here and there then the rules are a joke. Theoretically these charter boats with 20 or so people aboard can take anywhere up to 140 odd Cat 1 fish and stay within limits. And they are less restricted by weather than your average trailerboat fisherman, and they are operating all week were the average Joe fishes on weekends and the odd mid week day if they are lucky and the weather is kind.

I feel for the charter operators, but at the end of the day the bans are in place to preserve future stocks, if they are still allowed to fish it willy nilly then what kind of conservation is that? In the end they are cutting there nose to spite their face. You better believe they will be the first to spit chips when stocks are depleted and fishing is banned altogether. They will just need to adapt and find other types of fishing to engage in.

I don't care if you agree or not , I was putting my position forward , Thoretically , me and 4 mates can kill the pig everyday of the week but we don't and I have NEVER seen someone bag out on cat1 fish in the greater metro area.

9 out of 10 people that post on here about a charter say they got bugger all or just one good fish , how many times have the regulars posted up pics of 2 big Dhuies each , on a regular basis.

I have never fliped or floped on my position , I have allways said I don't agree with the ban , show me where I have agreed with it, don't put words in my mouth.

How about if you are so pasionate , do something , petition the Govt and get the pro's stopped as well or whatever you think should be done .

how about this then, lets wait and see what the new govt is going to do. 

 Don't attack me for having a different opinion, I havn't attacked anyone for having their opinion.

PLEASE go and read my first post again.

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OFW   Agent 88

Don't shoot the messenger!!!!!!

But this is great reading.....lol....

After the brain washing job from our illustrious Mr Jon Ford and the fisheries about the diminishing number of V5 fish stocks in the West Coast bio region, why is it alright now after a little of the smoke has cleared and the Recreational fisher people would have had time to get over the shock of it to start changing the gaol posts.
After a 10 week wait I finally received a reply this week to a letter I sent to Mr Ford with the concerns of quite a few local Recreational fishers from the Bunbury area. There was no mention of any deals being done with the charter operators in this reply, the first anyone new about this was in Saturdays paper. The only things mentioned at length was the closure to Commercial line and net fishing in the Metropolitan area between Lancelin and Mandurah, which is completely stupid as the Pros fishing this area will only either move north of Lancelin or south of Mandurah and with the Pros already fishing these areas will place a even heavier burden on these 5 species. Now if this other deal being brokered with the charter people goes through that will mean even more pressure during the Breeding period. This does not make sense at all. I don't mind a few rules, but only if they make sense and actually cure the problem for every thing and every one.

That was aimed at Huggy.

I recon EVERYONE should be MADE to fill in a log book EVERY time they go fishing.

Then we all will know what is being taken out of the water , then we will have CREDITABLE data to work with.

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I recon EVERYONE should be MADE to fill in a log book EVERY time they go fishing.

Something that was in my 225 response.  I wish a lot more had responded. Would it change the outcome? I don't know.

But there were a LOT that were against compulsory log books. (You know the arguements). 

Colin Molloy

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

but like anything related to fisheries - who is going to police it?? They dont have the resources now and they wont be given the resources anytime soon.

Why should anyone police it , shouldn't we as a whole want to do it .

 I think they need to do some serious research before anything else happens, if this means log books then so be it then go from there you can't make reasonable decisions on what some person thinks is happening.

the 10% who kills the pig every week will say there is plenty of fish and the other 90% will say $hit whats happening.

One last point , you are saying that charters are comercial and therefore pro's , so if pro's don't have to stop fishing in the ban they why should they put up with a ban at all, you should be happy that they are banning them for at least some of the period of the ban .

NAHHH that can't make sence hey.

PS , I will stop stirring the pot now  it was a dull day until this thread came up , I'm just getting into another debate over in the UK on j hook's  V's circles so I will go for now.

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Not everyone is a passionate angler like many of us here. You think the average "catch my bag limit rape and pillage" fisho is going to fill out a log book? People are loathe to go to the volunteer fisheries abalone weigh stations for research purposes. Left to their own devices I doubt many would bother.

Its like saying "the speed limits are posted there, we shouldn't need to police it because you'll all as a whole want to obey the limits". Great in theory, not in practice.

And as for you pro comment (I assume its directed at me) I have no idea what you are on about. I never mentioned anything about pros.

the "WHAT THE" post was for you.

got a link for where I flipped flopped to what I'm saying here.

Try telling a metro angler he has to travell to Man or Lano to charter fish , plus most charters are out in 100m plus away from rec boats and their fish anyway.

I havn't got an answer for this ,

I'm just saying yes someone makes money out of taking people out to fish , they have been for a long time and made it their living now they want them to stop in the middle of their busy season ( as well as me as a rec boat angler) with NO DEFINITE proof this will help or not( of course it will help but by how much , and won't the pro exclusion zone be helping right now for the V5), Charter boats are just taxi's to take average Joe Blow out fishing , he keeps what he catches .

 Cutting down trees causes salinity and soil erosion maybe we should stop broad acre farming and put it all back to bush, where will you get your loaf of bread from ??? and tell all the farmers to walk off their land.

PS I don't know what I'm saying half the time, now circles or J hooks????????????

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everytime.

or for shits and giggles, the opposite of what the majority are recommending.

IF i cant fish why the F#%k should someone who does'nt own a boat be able too,and pay for someone else's new home.
Dont bullshit and say these people are struggling these boats are owned by investers and just skippered out.
Have the ban we need,but ban everyone.

This is an interesting if long thread, but I also agree with the simple view, if its a bann because we place to much pressure on the resources during breeding season then it should be a ban for all. Charters should not be excluded simple as that.

Otherwise it seems to be saying the fish resources are not as bad as they are telling us and fishing pressure does not really need to be reduced, its not just the charters that will suffer from the ban other industries will also suffer were are there exemptions ?If charters are allowed to fish then we simply feed into their pockets and coming to think of it if charters are called recreational is it not anti competitive/discrimination against us since we all are recreational ?

The new Liberal/National government might mean a new approach. But the new government will have lots of important and urgent things to do. It will need a lot of work to get recreational fishing into that list.



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More an 'alignment' this time. Will that make a difference? Don't know.

Maybe, once the new ministerial party is determined, email the new Minister for Fisheries and suggest a setting aside of the WCB V5 ban this year until further assessments can be conducted after the election result dust has settled?  

Colin Molloy

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

I have a solution - all pro's can piss off and the only seafood people eat is fish etc that they catch themselves...

... but I'm a self serving prick!

... I might let landlubbers eat some aquacultured barra or something like that...

See, sometimes I'm nice...

... I'm sorry... maybe they can eat imported seafood as well

... but no pro should be permitted to ply their trade in the metro area... should be a rec playground only...

, down here in the deep south - we will end up with traffic lights on the bay if you send all the pro's down. I don't like the total ban - reduce the limits and make all the metro fisho's send half their catch to the bush along with the mining royalties.

 Adam one out all out, we all have given information to fisheries either to their red or green shirts then we have kept & given skeletons/guts all in the name of research,  But to find out that their might be a proposal for charter boats to fish on certain days, well you can image the response from our friends and this site.  As I've stated before lets hope this is looked at sensibly for the future.  We aren't against the V5 ban, as something had to happen, as somebody said before (we see it all the time in Leeman) there are killers out there that will find a spot and go back time and time again till there aren't any fish, and the bigger the fish the bigger the breeder, you take the older breeders out and the chain starts to break up and eventually good bye charlie to our beautiful fish that we all love to catch, release and eat.    

SPEWIE LEWIE

I'm very happy that so many,usually the same group,have taken the time and  effort to make comment on this NEW variation of the V5 I,for one support the season closed during breeding,I acknowledge the very real threat to our once wonderful fish stockes,I,am totaly,and unashamedly against the allowance of (Some ) protected groups being allowed to fish ,during this supposidly ,closed seasone,wether the fish is caught by a boat owner and crew,or a paying passanger on a charter,it is gone,dead, no longer in existance? and if it is taken while it has a belly full of eggs,then it demise is even more critical,my maths are ,take a fish that has breed,at least once or more times,then the chances are it has replaced itselfe in the eco system,but take that same fish out prior to its egg laying,you have not killed one but possible 2 or 10 or 20 who knows how many eggs survive to reach breeding age,but it makes more sense to allow any species to breed,lay thier eggs and keep the cycle going,I say catagoricaly No to any fishing for the vunrebale fish while they are breeding,that means me,my mates.and all other concerned fishermen,other wise the commercial people will fish,catch the breeding stock,and in a few years sell thier charter and relax while my children and grandchildren can look at my odd photos and ask ,what sort of fish is that,and why did you allow them to be hunted to near extingsion Jersey  

because my boat is worth bugger all and is quite suitable for bream and KG's even though i intend to fish for the V5 as well. There are a lot of arguments for a real control of some sort - i favour reduced bag limits even though there is a risk in returning the ones over that. A total ban period seems to suggest that there will be a gold rush approach by all and sundry at the opening of the season - anyone remeber duck hunting season? I honestly think that those who sat waiting over the months of the ban will put in extra effort to top up the freezer whilst the season is open and just concentrate the damage into a shorter period. Change the bag and size limits. And my pet beef - change the bag limits upwards at Shark Bay and the fish size down  - ie allow 4 fish per day between say 300 to 500mm and leave the big over 500mm breeders alone. And i tend to remember Gordon Hill making himself very unpopular when Fisheries Minister. 

And the only protection the grey banded's etc have is no leccy reels, if there is no data on the V5 then there is a whole lot less on Greys, Hapuka,Trevella etc etc out in 200m plus where everyone with a decent boat and sounder is NOW heading let alone when the ban is on, ohh yeah put all cod over 1200 back , with it's eyes popped and it's guts hanging out it's arse., how many of you's that go out DEEP have a 10kg release weight on board and willing to use it .

BLOODY NO ONE, any fish comming out of 200m is dead.

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 Yes I agree any fish thats brought up from 200 metres (whether you use reel or reef master) will die, but I really don't think you're going to see peak hour traffic out there, a lot of people wouldn't feel confident enough to go out and the fuel is another thing, very long way out/back.  For safety you'd have to have minium 2 boats.

SPEWIE LEWIE

some very interesting comments, but what happens to all the fish up north, is the catch rate just as bad as the fish targeted down here, i think so..

why arn,t mackies/reds listed ..??

and i think also its a harsh law for rec fishermen, i,ve adjusted to the total ban but it does need to go across the board, letting pros and charters still catch these fish is a bit biased.. seems unfair to me..

it needs to be evenly spread, if we are to protect fish especially dhuies during spawning.

as i,m sure charters and pros will take the advantage, and the same amount of fish will be caught anyway.. as most spots are usually cleaned out anyway before recs get there..

"THEY" say that the Dhuies and snapper breed in shallow water so with the pro's not allowed into the mandurah to lano area anyway it should help , we have no data as they havn't given this enough time to see any results and the charters are out in 100m or there abouts so that gets them out of the breeding zone.

Roberta you just have to look at the guys on here that are going out there now, it will get real busy out there when the ban comes in too, I can see something nasty happening when a couple of 18 footers head out deep and the weather changes , there wont be any quick dash for Rotto when your 20 miles away and the seas out there get BIG real QUICK. even the uhf radio's on boats wont work out that far so it will be set off an epirb or die .

As for fuel my boat can get 70 nautical miles from 45 l of fuel , thats out there to 250m zone and back no problem for $70 a lot of people are getting 4 stroke motors on their boats and getting further on little fuel these days.

How many times do you see on here people saying their heading out DEEP and need someone to help chip in for fuel and bait .

lots of mid priced reels can hold 600m plus of 80 lb braid to fish the waters too.

I have been out there and the skipper of the boat I was on has had to relay messages as the boat thats broken down just wasn't getting Freo rescue, with an easterly blowing you are heading out to sea and there's no way of stopping that happening , no one carries 500m of anchor rope.

Maybe a charter boat will come to your rescue

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OFW   Agent 88

Setting off an EPRIB is not a small matter ............

You also don't go out there if you are unsure of the boat or if your boat is not fully functioning as it should.

Use a VHF and not UHF and you will get most of the coastal sea rescue stations.

18 Outrage, Johnson 140hp 4stroke and 190 Outrage, 150 Mercury Verado

When your 50 miles off the coast and your broken down in 300m of water and an easterly is blowwing at 15 kn with a 3 to5 kn current running and no one is answering the uhf radio , what do you do.

Set off an Epirb or die.

MOST commercial operators out there are on vhf or hf and don't even listen to uhf but thats all you need in your boat to head out past 5 nm.

I understand what your saying BUT there are people that don't have a VHF and they think their boat is good enough and they think their competent enough , just ask sea rescue how many new boats they tow in on any given weekend during summer.

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No further comment in this thread, might as well type in white! 

Colin Molloy

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

WHY post that up ?????????

You could allways just not read this thread anymore.

these things can happen when all this V5 ban comes in.

Libs aren't going to stop it  their just going to listen to the fisheries dept , I bet they got some good spin doctors to push their agenda.

 ohh well better not upset any one again so I'll go away .

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OFW   Agent 88

Mav does make an interesting point about the potential dangers of heading out wide in a smaller vessel; when the skipper would under normal circumstances (no ban) not venture out as far... but, as Alfred warned me when he steered me in the Derwent's direction, a responsible skipper will make sure his boat is in order before heading out that wide... preparing for the possibility of problems

I made you post when you said you wouldn't .

And yes it's quiet out there , think I'll put a DVD in the player out in my shed and change the hooks on some new lures I just got from Spain.

SEE ya's  but I do think people will be heading out deep when this ban happens that wouldn't of if the ban wasn't there.

Dreamy don't bother with the PM I don't read them.

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OFW   Agent 88

This might somewhat hypocritical after my last post (and I'm dissapointed with myself for allowing anoyance to creep in). I know this whole issue is emotive, with a lot of strong feels on both 'sides'. But (and maybe I'm being idealistic here), I'd like to see this thread continue with unemotive, rational debate.

Sorry for my part.

Colin Molloy

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

it is in reality a very important thread as it impacts directly on why the Fishwrecked site exists. I could not see a future for it if there is no consensus amongst recreational anglers and even tighter bans got through. Shame Mav does not read his PM's - i was going to offer him my spot on an Abrolhos live aboard - gave it to Alan Carpenter instead as he was hanging around the Rome Road shops in Melville with bugger all to do.

 some very interesting comments, but what happens to all the fish up north, is the catch rate just as bad as the fish targeted down here, i think so..

why arn,t mackies/reds listed ..??

and i think also its a harsh law for rec fishermen, i,ve adjusted to the total ban but it does need to go across the board, letting pros and charters still catch these fish is a bit biased.. seems unfair to me..

it needs to be evenly spread, if we are to protect fish especially dhuies during spawning.

as i,m sure charters and pros will take the advantage, and the same amount of fish will be caught anyway.. as most spots are usually cleaned out anyway before recs get there....

i know its a repeat but i,d like some feedback plse..regarding northern species,vs southern species..

wow i guess i did my first bump haha

I can see charters killing the pig financially - if there are no reco's competing it's all the more chance they will catch enough to draw in the punters. Locally i can't see the 4 mile or the lumps sustaining the hammering they get week in and week out.

cheers terry..

doesnt help us out much in the south, pros can still fish any depth, 30,s,40,s,50,s etc 

not being picky but i guess we feel it alot more in the sw, as knowing whilst we are out of the water saving stocks, the same areas we fish are still being fished by pros and charters. seems sensless to me to keep the recs out of the water..

looks like the stocks will get a good rest from these figures further up north , being commercial is limited to 250m or greater depth.. 

cheers

Dept of Fisheries "South Coast" region goes from Black Point to the WA/SA border.

TerryF
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 quote:

These management measures have involved bringing the previously open-access wetline fishery on the West Coast under formal management (through a management plan) and establishing a closure to commercial line and net fishing in the Metropolitan area (being an area of approximately 14,000km2, extending north south for 120 nautical miles from around Lancelin in the north to near Myalup in the south, between the shoreline and the 250m depth contour).

this is the section i was referring to terry..

shoreline and 250m depth..

myalup isnt that far south of mandurah..

to my knowledge the commercials still fish even geographe bay,

cheers

Harro



Yes, they can still fish outside the metro area (as defined) but the following big changes apply, so these DO reduce the fishing catches in the South West.



It's fair to say (and I have plenty of links about this) that the commercial fishermen were/are NOT HAPPY with being kicked out of metro.



You wouldn't need to think very much to guess that the commercial fishermen will want the new Liberal/National Government to review that Labor Gov't decision.



Yes, I said the devil is in the details.

The ban should be for everyone and the  charter fishing boats that chose to stay in the closed V5 area should be compensated for the closure. Look at their books over the last few years and compensate them for the time of the ban.

BUT......

If the goverment was serious and the fish stocks are as bad as they think they are, they should have a complete closure Mandurah to Two Rocks for 5 years. Then close another section for 5 years and so on. That would bring back your average Dhufish age at the end of the ban to exceptable range. ( 11 Years old )

No one would be happy with it but it would work......

Just a thought could they not have breeding/seeding programs like they have with freshwater species ? breed in captivity then release the little buggers ?

But they need to inject funds into the aquaculture industry to get it moving along a lot faster then they are now.

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