very confused

I really dont understand why no one has made a genuine offer on this? or even contacted me. Have dropped the price to below thirty has warrenty and is packed with features, What would you pay? dont want to give it away but my feet r itchen to finish my next demo 

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Mon, 2016-07-18 11:36

When I saw the ad the boat itself looks very busy and it's a bit hard to see how you might use it. You can put 10 pics on Gumtree so use them to improve the display of features you are showing. Go ahead and list all the features as there will be more than anyone else has got. I thought your boat looked best with daytime pics without 300 rods and all the hatches open covered in bait boards. Modern advertising is slanted towards clean lines so try and show it from its best angle. It looks like there is room for 1 person and a house full of stuff.

If you search Centre Console, you can't find it. Not everyone knows what an epic senator is.

Have you called this guy? He said he is looking for a centre console with a 4 stroke and has $27K

www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/rockingham/motorboats-powerboats/wanted-centre-side-console/1117053147 

You've got to get people interested and your ad has to do that. You can't just say 'something for everyone'.

These thoughts are just my opinion.

P.S. I think it is the most feature packed boat of that size on the market today. You just need to display it so it is pleasing to the eye to get people in.

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 Good advice. Nothing

Mon, 2016-07-18 12:43

 Good advice. Nothing mentioned about the outboard either in your gumtree ad. I can just make out that its a Suzuki. Not mentioning power could be taken as trying to hide something. More quality, clear daytime photos will definately help. 

Good luck 

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 Looks like a solid boat with

Mon, 2016-07-18 13:13

 Looks like a solid boat with all the fruit, but the stabilisers are a put off.  Thats what i reckon.

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 Yep. The stabilisers worry

Mon, 2016-07-18 13:55

 Yep. The stabilisers worry me too. Plus most who have 30 to spend on a rig will be looking for something 5m plus. 

It only takes one buyer that loves it though.....

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why do the

Mon, 2016-07-18 14:20

why do the stabilisers/sponsons worry you ??

my son bought a 5.5 metre ali centre consol a few years ago , the bloke had extended the hull by a metre out to about 6.5+ and added a large hard top made in 5mm ali , with rod storage rack etc

it made the boat top heavy with a lazy roll to it that felt uncomfortable , when large sponsons where added it changed it dramatically ,
real improvement , to ride , cornering , stability & it got out of the hole better as well as seemed to make it a drier boat all round
i dont mind them

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 One I went on banged

Mon, 2016-07-18 14:26

 One I went on banged horribly whenever the pontoon hit the chop. Made it horrible. Was a good flat water crabbing rig, very stable. Just not an offshore rig

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agree with zoom its a

Mon, 2016-07-18 13:40

agree with zoom

its a beautifull rigg and well finished ,
if it was 5 metres + i reckon she would have gone by now easily

my opinion

1 she is just 4 metres odd ?? so smallish for ofshore regularly at that price
2very busy layout even though its all top shelf gear etc
3 space wise there is min , good for one bloke , max of two blokes to fish out of
4 she is not a family friendly rigg as is
5 its a niche market your boat is built /pitching too for its usage
5 cant imagine carrying /setting /pulling cray pots from her easily , at her size she would be ideal if she had more deck space etc
6 sponsons are great ,no issues with them at all !! would add to her stability and offshore all weather ability for her size
7 $ 25-$30 k to buy her or a more varied option rigg of a bigger size that would be more ''allrounder ''for a family bloke
8 small centre console = potentially wet boat or wet ride quite often
9 is she diver friendly ?? does not look to be as she is set up , so you will possibly lose their interest as she is ,even though her hull and size/ability etc would be ideal if more roomy diver accessable

10 its a tough economic market at present for sellers of anything , especialy expensive small boats

so i reckon you are just looking to capture the bloke who wants a specialist rigg , thats easily towed and beach launched into out of the way places as well as around home territory who primarily likes to fish rivers, inshore waters and on good days out wider , who can see the time /money , gear you have invested and is looking for such a custom rigg

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 there is some very good

Mon, 2016-07-18 16:37

 there is some very good imput there thankyou so much for the honesty and so far i agree with every word, im asking 28k which i feel is a very good price but as mentioned maybe i have put to much into it (althought must admit when ur actually out there its a dif story when everything is right there where you need it), so i guess my delema is; to achieve a sale and make way for the next demo do I,

1 reduce it more

2 remove some of the layout

3 extend it (althou it is actaully 5m overall)

4 or keep it till you find the right buyer

 

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Sponsons = Question

Mon, 2016-07-18 16:41

Every time I see sponsons added to a boat the first thing I ask myself is WHY?
Was it a real pig before they were added and most times they don't improve the ride, they just make it hit harder and throw more spray.
They no doubt will improve stability, but at what cost.

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With a boat that size, often

Mon, 2016-07-18 17:03

With a boat that size, often less is more..

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 A small boat is still a

Mon, 2016-07-18 19:06

 A small boat is still a small boat and regardless of what you bolt on it.

It may be the ideal boat for someone and hopefully you come across each other.

 

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Nice boat, and has more on in

Mon, 2016-07-18 19:11

Nice boat, and has more on in that my 8m. And i dont even use everything i have to for me its just all too much for a small boat.

 

A decent photographer would help too haha

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 Try what zoom suggested

Mon, 2016-07-18 19:25

 Try what zoom suggested there Todd.

Add more photos, clear daytime shots, list everything, features, motor, motor hours and make it more search friendly.

If your boat can't be found by searching "centre console" then you are more than likely missing a lot of potential buyers right there.

Really make it stand out from all the other boats that size and she will sell mate 

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Big bucks

Mon, 2016-07-18 19:28

 For small boat. No dought built well. Not many people have money to spend lately . Building trades work dropped. Try summer time to sell. Wrong time of year. Imo. House prices crap. No money around atm. I hope you do sell.. Good luck

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 I really liked the boat in

Mon, 2016-07-18 19:39

 I really liked the boat in the grey and without the pontoons. It looked really smart when you first posted but now just a little too busy. And you have mentioned in previous posts that the pontoons did ad to a harsher ride and that put me off a bit. 

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 Mate if your making demo

Mon, 2016-07-18 20:30

 Mate if your making demo boats , let the boat and workmanship speak for itself, not the wank factor add ons. 

 

 

 

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Have the same problem at the mo

Mon, 2016-07-18 20:34

selling a boat.

Have only had a couple of half assed looks

Unless I take a really big hit to the pocket cant see it selling in a hurry

Lots on the market.

Like the look of your boat though and best of luck with the sale

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 again thanx for the input

Tue, 2016-07-19 06:53

 again thanx for the input haved edited add on gumtree and started trying to free up some space within the boatbut the sponsens stay took me several different trips and adjustments to make them perform right and as said to many peopler alarm bells soiund to me done RIGHT amazing adition . do agree holth showcase your workmanship n not hide it behind wank but mate all honestey nothing i put in this boat was destin for wank it was always about wat i needed, maybe lesson learnt we all have different taste n maybe i should stop trying to make my boats have FEEL n EXPRESS DIFFERENCE n build a stasndarded run of the mill thing like everyone else so the overall $ is alot more satisfying to the byer but the overall feeling is unmsatisfied n wish they had of got more. once again cheers and i will c how add goes now in the mean time , time to make some room

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 Don't underestimate the

Tue, 2016-07-19 07:19

 Don't underestimate the power of social media. There's a lot of other boat users out there that don't necessarily fish, so create a Facebook page and share your boat builds over diving and spearing pages as well

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 I can't find it searching

Tue, 2016-07-19 07:22

 I can't find it searching "centre console"?

have you got a link to it?

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Spelling

Tue, 2016-07-19 09:03

  In the ad it's spelled "center" not "centre".  All little things that make it harder to sell.

 

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Lots of guys are after little

Tue, 2016-07-19 09:04

Lots of guys are after little boats for pot pullers and the pontoons would make that pretty difficult too.

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   Todd it looks the goods I

Tue, 2016-07-19 15:05

 

 
Todd it looks the goods I reckon and your not far off the mark price wise just by doing a quick comparison but just need to fine tune the ad .. your exceptionally good on the tools but the marketing needs polishing . I’d be doing something akin to this draft obviously I winged a few details  
 
 
5m / 16ft Aluminium Centre Console Suzuki 70hp 4 or 2 stroke
 
 Buy direct from the builder ... 6 years written warranty on the complete package ... how’s that for piece of mind
 
Selling well below replacement value , this is a one of a kind boat that presents better than new and is fitted with a assortment of quality components .
Great for inshore or getting out wide when conditions suit .The hull design handles and rides exceptionally well and is extremely stable at rest .
Haven’t got a 4WD no worries this can be easily towed by a variety of vehicles and would be excellent for up north fishing trips .
I am a boat builder with over 20 / 10 years trade experience and have great passion for what I do and can assure you many hours of work and substantial money has gone into this boat and it will give solid service to it’s new owner for many years to come .
 
2015 Custom Hull 16ft / 5m , solid 3/4/5mm plate aluminium brand new paint work with sealed deck and bonus stabilisers
 
2015 Suzuki 2/4 stroke motor very reliable , economical and clean as a whistle with a very low 150 hours and just fully serviced ,
starts cold first time every time ..
 
New Aluminium trailer with 12 months rego , new tyres with bunks and centre rollers , custom walk way plank and very easy on
and off for solo missions .
 
** Must be seen to be appreciated , here’s just some of the fruit **  
 
Baystar Hydraulic steering
Electric start
Dual batteries Bosch 660cca
Uniden UHF radio
Deck and on water LED lighting
65 litre under floor stainless tank
40 litre fresh water tank
Deck wash Jabsco 60 psi
Live bait tank and also insulated bait box
2 x custom fitted catch / kill tanks
2 x bait boards
Burley bucket
Tackle tray
Lots of rod and drink holders
Ample storage space
Two anchors grapple and sand with 100m of nylon rope
Bilge pump : Rules “ 50 litres per minute
Comes with all necessary safety gear ie 4 life jackets , epirb and flares
ETC
ETC
ETC
( Can never get enough fruit )
 
Boat is available for inspection at my workshop in Mandurah most days , just give me a text / call and tee up a time that suits you
 
Cheers Todd
 
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Does it have a Sounder / Chartplotter if so whack it up on top of that list .. I’d be also noting brands and spec details with all fruit listed
 
Also when I tried to search for it , it was hard work .
Centre console didn’t come up ( tip : check spelling all through ad ) punters may also search for eg Suzuki , 4 stroke and aluminium etc
being popular tags for searches so keep those in somewhere .. Most people looking for boats are “ Perth Region “  and don’t initially do extended 50km + distance search for Mandurah , I’d be tempted to try listing location as eg Cockburn but clearly write in the copy inspection is in Mandurah ( I know it’s dodgy but I reckon you’ll treble your hits ) . Even do up another ad for Mandurah just make it different otherwise Gumtree will auto delete it .
 
Existing pics are great the main / first is good . Utilise all free 10 pics available maybe a close up of the gauges , radios , electronics etc and the all important donk maybe without the cowling even and if you want to get even more attention a action shot of bikini girl pulling the anchor or holding a rod then transfer that to the 1st pic lol ..
 
Keep in mind winter’s obviously always going to be slower than spring or summer for boats to move so patience is a virtue . The only other thing I could suggest would be a habit to delete ad and renew once a week and not to just bump it up .This gives the impression it’s new on the market to peeps just starting their search , rather than seeing it’s had over a 5000 + views and maybe questioning why hasn’t it sold or try and low ball you .
 
In saying all that , I see you’ve had over a 1000 hits since relisting it yesterday as is , so it’s getting interest just need to present the bait a bit better and get the hook up .. some people are a little iffy dealing with a dealer thinking they’ll get a better deal buying privately so I’ve emphasised the point your primarily a tradesman boat builder therefore cutting out the middleman and saving da money by buying direct .  
 
A bit long winded but just a roughy on how I’d go about it , only 1% ers but they add up , most probably missed a bit and wrong on a few things . I’m not a salesman , but hopefully something useful there .
 
Sold my tub a couple of weeks back after about 8 weeks on gumtree for 3G more than I paid for it 4 / 5 yrs back after putting maybe 2G into it .. though I put my absolute bottom line price and stayed firm minimising low ballers and time wasters .Had 1000’s view the ad each relisting , though in total maybe 20 people actually came and looked at it .   
 
Given the amount of quality gear and time you’ve put into it , the marketing is important for a good ROI .. good luck and thanks for being a sponsor on the forum 
 
PS .. Have a plan in mind for a sea trial a non refundable $200 deposit will cull the tyre kickers .. 
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Your PS is so relevent

Tue, 2016-07-19 19:45

It certainly makes the tyre kickers and those looking for the free ride to fill in the afternoon think twice.

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 Do you also do resumes/cv?

Tue, 2016-07-19 22:01

 Do you also do resumes/cv? F&$@ me you'd be able to sell my 3 legged sheep dog! 

 

But that's what you need to sell a boat or to get people to look at it!

Good work Chris  

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 You're a good man Chris Raff

Tue, 2016-07-19 16:06

 You're a good man Chris Raff apart from the Dockers thing 

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Top advice Chris

Tue, 2016-07-19 19:27

 The pen is indeed mightier than the sword and in selling in this day and age getting it right is essential !

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 my god chris i need you as

Wed, 2016-07-20 10:44

 my god chris i need you as my sales rep where have been many thanks mate can you fwd that to me please kerrycarr1969@hotmail.com and will change add right away

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 Hi Todd just copy and pasted

Wed, 2016-07-20 12:05

 Hi Todd just copy and pasted and sent to yours ..

 
I don’t have a flash word processing program I just use my email program  ( windows live mail )  to draft letters / long posts and ads etc , mainly because it has spell checker and also I can save it as a draft and work on it until happy with it . Then copy and paste and publish / print ..
 
I’d suggest you re write and tweak as you see fit  .
 
You know the boat inside out and making that pride in your work shine through would be the go .. 
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Damn that is impressive, im

Wed, 2016-07-20 10:54

Damn that is impressive, im gunna copy and save it for when I sell my super yacht...

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Hey Todd hopefully for you

Wed, 2016-07-20 14:34

Hey Todd hopefully for you its sold by then but i fly back into perth next Thursday I'd be happy to take some updated photos of the boat for you mate. Let me know

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 Might want to consider that

Wed, 2016-07-20 15:45

 Might want to consider that plenty of people are looking for work in a relatively flat economy and less people are splashing money on non-essentials right now. Its a tough sellers market. 

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hmmmm

Sat, 2016-07-23 09:17

internet been down huggy?

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Theres no doubt its quality

Thu, 2016-07-21 10:19

Theres no doubt its quality workmanship.

 

 

 

 

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 well i must say in all

Thu, 2016-07-21 23:06

 well i must say in all honesty its a big up from me, it is a very rewarding feeling and great sence of acheivement to me when i slow down and re  read all the composed post. it makes me realize why i strive  to put ova 150% of effort and thought into wat ever prodject is thrown at me. some very great advice and constructive critizim taken well onboard and will be used wisely. look forward to catching up with a few of you and anyone else thinking about there up a coming projects

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