What are my options

 So about two months ago a fella advertises custom made paternoster rigs on FB for a pretty good price, twisted droppers etc so thought I might grab a few as I sometimes can't be arsed making them. So we have a discussion and he says send the money and I'll have the rigs the following week. Anyway about two weeks pass and nothing so I message him saying I'm a bit annoyed as I was hoping to use them over Xmas.

Message back with an apology and he would have a few out to me to keep me going over Xmas, a week later nothing. More messaging and he assures me he sent them. Fast forward to a couple of weeks after Xmas and I'm getting pissed off by this stage, more apologies from him and excuses of sore hands from carpal tunnel etc any way he assures me he has all the rigs done and he has sent them two weeks later nothing. So two supposed parcels have gone missing in the post yeah right. I know he has the address correct as I checked the message I sent himwith that.  I have threatened him with reporting him to the police with fraud or naming and shaming on FB.

Anyway he insinuates that I might have possibly recieved them and am trying to scam my money back WTF!! Why in hell would I go to all that effort. Last couple of communications he was going to refund my money of course that hasn't happened, now he won't return my messages. 

I'm just looking for some opinions on options of what to do about this prick, report to cops (who I'm sure are busier with more important things) or name and shame him on FB? 

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Name and shame

Tue, 2018-02-06 14:30

 Invite him fishing 1st and if he declines name and shame him make sure you invite me as well 

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options

Tue, 2018-02-06 14:40

 he has had his chance, advise the police & name & shame him so others are not caught out just like you. He is a wanker.....

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How much

Tue, 2018-02-06 14:43

 How much money did you lose if you don't mind me asking?

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 About $140 

Tue, 2018-02-06 14:50

 About $140 

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Ouch

Tue, 2018-02-06 14:52

 Definitely name and shame. Don't think the cops will do much unfortunately.

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 Yeah didn't think so.

Tue, 2018-02-06 15:03

 Yeah didn't think so.

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Send him a message and say if

Tue, 2018-02-06 14:53

Send him a message and say if you don't receive a refund by x date you're gonna name and shame him.

I have a similar issue with boat speakers I bought off Gumtree for $85. Communication ceased after I told him they don't work and tried to make arrangements to return them and get my money back. Going to now send my account details and demand a refund by a certain date or else I'll be dropping around.

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Karma

Tue, 2018-02-06 16:36

 karma got you jackfrost !

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How's that MB? I've never

Tue, 2018-02-06 17:08

How's that MB? I've never ripped off anyone in my whole life. 

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Karma

Tue, 2018-02-06 22:57

 its all about how you conduct yourself in life in general jackfrost, and if you go about life like you do in this forum then like I said karma got you !

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Huh??

Wed, 2018-02-07 07:45

Its only footy that he really state his opinion.
For the rest you are OTT mate.
As a long term forum member I see nothing bad about JF's opinions. Nothing compared to what we have seen on here before!!!

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I have been known to carry on

Wed, 2018-02-07 11:36

I have been known to carry on like a pork chop amongst mostly constructive posts but have decided to reel that in as of late.

Ironic though that MB has taken time out of his day twice this week to snipe me twice firstly to insinuate I lied about a fish I caught and secondly to display his joy in my personal misfortune but has a crack at how I post on here.

Take a look down MB as that high horse you think you rode in on is actually a flea bitten donkey. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss it any further.

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 gees, getting nasty there

Wed, 2018-02-07 11:54

 gees, getting nasty there arent you. 

wouldnt wory about it as the long termers know what your like. 

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Re-visit

Wed, 2018-02-07 20:54

 might pay you to re-visit that post and tell the full story jackfrost, it was actually another member that questioned the catch I merely replied to his post that the fish was a long way from home and must have taken a wrong turn !

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Does

Tue, 2018-02-06 15:12

 Does he have a business page , or just a personal profile ?

Just wondering if he has had complaints before ? Either way name and shame these days  seems to hurt people more than the legal system  .. 

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 Yeah personal profile

Tue, 2018-02-06 15:20

 Yeah personal profile Grant. 

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seriously?

Tue, 2018-02-06 15:17

 140.00 to make you some rigs ! pretty sure youve been scammed ,sadly i think he will enjoy the limelight & will wear the name and shame as a badge of honour , imo the only that may work is if you know his address and promise to arrange for someone to pay him a  visit , best of  luck bud 

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name and shame.

Tue, 2018-02-06 15:21

i had a fraud situation with an ebay seller a few years ago and when i reported it to the cops they said it will

get handed to their fraud department but nothing usually happens unless their is lots of complaints against the

same person and then it might get a case number and be investigated. i was lucky and after about 8 months

it got a case number and the guy ended up doing jail time over some pretty major frauds. it could be worth reporting

just incase so that it is recorded but i would name and shame also

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Maybe get of your mates to "

Tue, 2018-02-06 15:22

Maybe get of your mates to " buy" some gear....but this time set up an elaborate sting of some sort so he thinks twice about doing this again 

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In future

Tue, 2018-02-06 16:00

Probably telling you how to suck eggs Andy, but in future get the guy selling you something to send you a paypal invoice. If he's doing it as a small business type of arrangement (and is ridgy didge) its piece of cake to set that up.

To be honest he sounds like he's scamming you and there's a few bad eggs doing that. 

 

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 As Roger sung, I won't get

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:41

 As Roger sung, I won't get fooled again.

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 not good at all. you trust

Tue, 2018-02-06 16:07

 not good at all. you trust someone and they kick you in the ass. 

one thing tho , i have trouble trusting my own rigs let alone someone elses . unfortunately its a lesson learnt . 

at least now everyone else knows not to use this person . i dont think there is anything you can do about it as it will be your word against his. 

name and shame might just help others ,

If you peyed with paypal you may be able to get your money back 

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 That's it Russ, my word

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:40

 That's it Russ, my word against his and he knows that. 

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Serves you right for not

Tue, 2018-02-06 16:04

Serves you right for not tying your own rigs....... :)

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 Lol yep,looks like I'll have

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:42

 Lol yep,looks like I'll have to sit down after all and do a carton/rig tying sesh 

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 Lol yep,looks like I'll have

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:42

 Lol yep,looks like I'll have to sit down after all and do a carton/rig tying sesh 

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Can I join you. Good for the

Wed, 2018-02-07 07:47

Can I join you. Good for the carton, poor on twisted droppers. By the time you have tied them, the carton will be empty??? :-)
And Jeez, I have to get used to Chrome not the old IE so I can use the emoji's

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 Sounds like a date mate lol

Wed, 2018-02-07 07:51

 Sounds like a date mate lol

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 https://www.commerce.wa.gov.

Tue, 2018-02-06 16:34

 https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/consumer-protection

Give them a call and see what your options are.

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Tue, 2018-02-06 17:09

 On a up note if ya get good at making rigs I'll buy some off ya lol 

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Charge ..

Tue, 2018-02-06 17:42

 definitely not worth getting a assualt charge

against you for $85 or even $140 ! I got done

on some stickers from over east $60 worth 

piss me off what do you do ! They said they

sent em ! No tracking ! Stiff biscuits! Cheers 

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Hi Andy

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:07

 He should have the receipt for the postage. Everything is now logged and traceable with AUS Post. Ask for the postal receipt and tracking number. If he can't do that then they have never been sent. Ask him to provide the proof that AUS post delivered as they will have the tracking details to say so. As you know, i make all of the rigs for the boys. Twisted pat. Happy to make you some to make you smile. It is simple, ask for the proof. Good luck mate.

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 Cheers Dave yeah apparently

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:39

 Cheers Dave yeah apparently he sent them in a plain A4 envelope, so unregistered with no tracking. Yeah guess I'll have to suck this one up and serve me right for being a slack F%**&ker and too trusting, especially at my age lol. 

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Go hard or go home.

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:30

 Twisted rigs , more like twist his neck , I know I know violence doesnt solve anything , except justice.

 

My suggestion is you are done over , the cops will do nothing , just rack one up to experience.

If you just want to feel slightly better , somehow contact him and let him know you are from a long line of gypsys and have 

placed a curse on him to never caught a decent fish again until those rigs are sent.

Fisher folk are suspicous by nature and even if he thinks it could affect him , you may get those rigs.

Alternatively fire bomb his car and attack him with 3 mates , your choice!!!!

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 Ha ha I like it.

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:36

 Ha ha I like it.

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 Any idea where he bases

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:44

 Any idea where he bases himself out of ?

 

Ask him to send you a pic of the rigs so you have some level of confidence that they are for real. Then he might hopefully take a pic with his smartphone with gps enabled. Then reveal his GPS cords from the exif info and knock on his door... or threaten to reveal his location.

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 I know he's based in

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:45

 I know he's based in Falcon. 

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 get someone else to msg him,

Tue, 2018-02-06 18:54

 get someone else to msg him, they ask to go to his house for a look before they buy and hey presto, ill be taking all these rigs and gear with me thanks 

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What lb line

Tue, 2018-02-06 19:27

 What lb line and how long do you want them Andy - I'll make ya some no charge as I could use the fishing karma!

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 That's a very generous offer

Tue, 2018-02-06 20:11

 That's a very generous offer Michael and thank you, the main reason I ordered these one's is that he had a pic up and they really looked the part, snelled option etc. I was also flat out up until Xmas doing a reno on our holiday house ensuite and also flat out at work so no time to myself to make any rigs up and get ready for the season. So I've pretty well caught up with it all now and managed to sit down during the big Xmas blow and make up a heap (beers in hand of course) appreciate the thought 

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 Hey mate sorry to hear about

Tue, 2018-02-06 20:02

 Hey mate sorry to hear about the loss. He sounds like a turd so name and shame I recon. 

Might stop someone getting stung. 

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 That sux Andy , but for $140

Tue, 2018-02-06 20:25

 That sux Andy , but for $140 i will go out and catch a few fish for ya mate . if ya havent got the time that is .

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 Lol, I hope you're back on

Tue, 2018-02-06 20:40

 Lol, I hope you're back on the water mate?

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 Yeah mate got the nod from

Tue, 2018-02-06 21:15

 Yeah mate got the nod from the doc today, next nice day I'm out there. Bloody wind lol.

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I live in Falcon

Tue, 2018-02-06 20:35

Name and shame the bastard, if I see his name crop some where them may be an embarrassing shouting session in his face will embarrass him into doing rigs or refund. I'm past the age of being able to physically encourage him to do the right thing.

Having an old man doing his nut in your face can be very embarrassing and all you want to do is get out of there.

I'd also tell the cops just so it's on record, who knows what he may be also involved in, is he feeding a nasty crystal habit.

Don't sit back and do nothing name and shame will alert others to his game.

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 Just wondering how many rigs

Tue, 2018-02-06 21:08

 Just wondering how many rigs for $140? Might be bit of a market there. You’re probably lucky you didn’t get them any way. Might be cheap arse Chinese leader and hook up on the big 20kg dhuie and it snaps or the hooks straighten caused they cheap hooks. 

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F@"k that

Tue, 2018-02-06 21:24

. Make it so he has to use his toes and teeth to make rigs

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Name him

Tue, 2018-02-06 21:31

 I'm in mandurah, and I'm sure quite a lot of us are on here. Someone is bound to know him. Could be quite embarrassing for the theiving barstard 

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Yep agree, name him, so no

Wed, 2018-02-07 06:21

Yep agree, name him, so no one else gets scammed.

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Andy

Wed, 2018-02-07 07:51

PM some members on here with his details, email, phone and we will communicate-bomb him. I personally will send him heaps of "nuisance" electro messages etc to flood his system. At least he will get very annoyed as payback!!!
Obviously not on the General forum- legal???

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 I havent read the relies

Wed, 2018-02-07 08:22

 I havent read the relies andy, but i suspect the police would not take it on as it is a civil breach of contract.  A call to dept of commerce may achieve more.

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which one?

Wed, 2018-02-07 08:33

 i can find "tenticle tackle " or Dr bill mourakis for rigs on FB? 

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 Take your second option

Wed, 2018-02-07 08:56

 Take your second option Ryan.

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 What was his name Andy send

Wed, 2018-02-07 09:03

 What was his name Andy send me a pm

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Saw his original post

Wed, 2018-02-07 09:37

 Name and shame, easier  to stick to jigs mate.

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 thats pretty crap Andy. I

Wed, 2018-02-07 10:19

 thats pretty crap Andy. I think name and shame it probably won't help you but it will hopefully end this venture you may find though that he has his fingers in afew pies.

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Smart looking rigs!

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Surprised you jumped on them

Wed, 2018-02-07 12:28

Surprised you jumped on them Andy coz he got absolutely ripped to shreds the first time he posted advertising his rigs! Ive seen him a few times fishing down there, next time I see him I'll give you the heads up and can come down for a "chat" he he

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 Yeah I didn't see any of the

Wed, 2018-02-07 12:34

 Yeah I didn't see any of the reviews but the rigs looked sweet. I did mention to him I'd be happy to pop down for a chat before he shut me out. 

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Deleted

Wed, 2018-02-07 12:56

The ad has beem deleted... Probably didn't like all of the negitive attention! Maybe he's a FW member 

Either way, it would have probably been easier for him to just make and send you your rigs!

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what an asshole

Wed, 2018-02-07 13:05

 i thought it would be that one Andy , the brass barrel swivel on the rig in his ad didnt look good mate! 

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 Lol you have a sharp eye

Wed, 2018-02-07 13:45

 Lol you have a sharp eye Ryan, Yeah I'm just gonna write this off to bad luck and hope a little karma catches him in the eye.

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 maybe in the hands as well,

Wed, 2018-02-07 13:50

 maybe in the hands as well, then he can never tie dodgy rigs again. hate these sort of prople

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 That would be karma in the

Wed, 2018-02-07 16:07

 That would be karma in the shape of an 8/0 octopus circle?

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 Wife is all over it now and

Wed, 2018-02-07 18:40

 Wife is all over it now and will call consumer protection on Friday. I hadn't mentioned this to her as we all know the unwritten rule of not telling about tackle purchases  but she found out through a little birdy at her work lol. 

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