Minister announces demersal recreational fishing rules.
Minister announces demersal recreational fishing rules.
Minister's Media Statement http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/WestCoastDemersal/Media%20-%20Final%20rec%20fish%20changes.pdf
Fisheries Management Paper 231 - A Strategy For Managing The Recreational Catch Of Demersal Scalefish In The West Coast Bioregion - Decisions By The Minister For Fisheries (June 2008) http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/mp/mp231/fmp231.pdf
Fisheries Research Report 177 - A 12-month survey of recreational boat-based fishing between Augusta and Kalbarri on the West Coast of Western Australia during 2005-06 (June 2008) http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/frr/frr177/frr177.pdf
Recfishwest Media Statement:- http://www.recfishwest.org.au/MediaStateWestCoastRec2008.htm
Recreational fishing rules in the West Coast Bioregion:
This package will see recreational catches of some of our most vulnerable fish species reduced by more than 50 per cent in the first 16 months.There will be some adjustments for people to make, but the benefits of that are priceless. It means recreational fishing will become far more sustainable, ensuring a quality experience for more fishers and their families for generations to come.
Among the species to gain better protection under the package will be the so-called 'Vulnerable 5': dhufish, pink snapper, baldchin groper, breaksea cod and red snapper.
While fishing for the Vulnerable 5 species will not be allowed for a few months every year, there will be scores of other fish species that people will be able to catch along the West Coast Bioregion.
1. The daily bag limit for Category 1 fish to be reduced from seven to four fish.
2. The daily bag limit for pink snapper to be reduced from four to two fish.
3. The size limit for pink snapper to be increased from 41cm to 45cm in October, 2008 and then from 45cm to 50cm in 2010 for the metropolitan and South-West zones only (Lancelin to Augusta).
4. A boat limit of two daily bag limits of Category 1 fish to be introduced. Where five or more fishers are on board a recreational or charter boat, an additional two Category 1 fish per person (over and above the boat limit) will be allowed for the fifth and additional fishers.
5. A seasonal restriction that prohibits the take, landing and possession of the Vulnerable 5 species: dhufish, pink snapper, baldchin groper, breaksea cod and red snapper. The season will run from October 15 to December 25 in 2008, October 15 to January 31 in 2009-2010 and October 1 to January 31 for subsequent years.
6. (a) A daily bag limit of one Category 1 fish to apply to spear fishing on compressed air.
(b) The use of power assisted fishing reels to be prohibited (with exemptions for disabled fishers.7. Discussions with fishing clubs to be initiated to discourage public fishing competitions from targeting high risk species.
8. The finfish possession limit to be reduced at the Abrolhos Islands Fish and Fish Habitat Protection Area to 10kg of fillets (or pieces of fish) or one day's bag limit of whole fish. The possession limit will remain in place for at least two years while a review to assess the option of managing the Abrolhos Islands as a 'no take away' area is undertaken.
9. A voluntary logbook program to be established for Category 1 demersal fish (ocean-bottom dwelling fish), including the Vulnerable 5 species, to provide additional catch and effort information.
10. A Recreational Trust Fund to be established to enable the recreational sector to have meaningful input into determining expenditure priorities.
11. Further research to be undertaken to investigate the appropriateness of introducing large scale fish reserves or closed areas to provide protection for large numbers of fish or over an area which is particularly important to spawning.
Funding:- The WA Government has committed $5.3million in additional research funds over the next four years to continue to monitor stocks and observe the impact of this recreational management package (in conjunction with the new commercial fishing arrangements). There will be an ongoing review of the effectiveness of these management arrangements.
An additional $7.8million has also been committed to assist in education and compliance resourcing for marine finfish fisheries in the West Coast Bioregion over the same period.
TerryF
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Edit Corrected 4 to "fifth"
Rodrat
Ha
Im all for reducing the bag limit as four cat 1 fish is more than enough. Increasing the snapper size is not good, we dont get many big ones and they should go back to breed anyway. Two is ok, plenty of fish there.
Having a ban from oct to jan is a bloody joke!
Dont they think by puting in place a ban that people will hammer those spiecies hard before the ban to make up for it.
Who is going to want to launch there boat and only be able to fish for herring, whiting or skippy?
Do they also not think about how the ban will effect peoples businesses. I reckon the sales on bait and gear will drop off huge during those months.
The ban states no landing of the specific fish, how the hell do you stop that, you dont know what you are going to catch.
It will be hard to remember most of the rules.
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NoWorries
Knitting anyone ??
New classes being held at most Fishing stores and clubs from October to Janurary. Book now as seats are filling fast.
I feel sorry for the poor old King George and Sharks as they will get hammered.
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fishy fingers
Thats easy
From october 1st to january 31 every year from 2010 You cant catch them.......What a load of Bollocks
To all the virgins..............Thanks for nothing!
Dreamweaver
Hmmm.....quite a bit to take in.....heading down...
As always Terry, your (RFW) posts make interest reading!
If I understand the Augusta southern limit, all of this won't affect me - YET!
Snapper - a 2 limit and size increases are a good thing IMO. 2 pinkies is still a good feed.
Voluntary Log Books to be introduced - don't we have that now? I use the DoF Angler's Log Book - Ocean Edition. Where's the differenc?
Looks like you guys will be heading down this way over summer - IF you can afford the petrol!
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
Colin Hay
Interesting
Thanks for keeping us informed Terry.
(Colin 1 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
Neander
I still think marine parks
I still think marine parks would be a better way to help restock rather than total bans.
When the bans lifted people will catch what ever they can, a marine park would be safe from fishers forever.
NoWorries
This is a grey one !
"11. Further research to be undertaken to investigate the appropriateness of introducing large scale fish reserves or closed areas to provide protection for large numbers of fish or over an area which is particularly important to spawning."
Warnbro Sound, Cockburn Sound ???
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Dreamweaver
sounds like...
Marine parks to me.
Colin Molloy
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GOATRUTAR
There is going to be some
There is going to be some dead by-catch floating around on the surface!
I'm still going to fish for lets say deeper species so it will be a shame about the fish I'm unable to take that get pulled in 100m+.
Looks like we will be honing our skills and targeting different species such as Hapuka,greyband,Trevella,Rosies ect.....
I'm glad I bought the 2kw transducer as it looks as though it will come in handy!
At least they can't stop me fishing!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
GOATRUTAR
It will be interesting to
It will be interesting to see the fall out for the retailers when the ban comes into place!
It would be good to get some feed back from site sponsers to see what it will mean to their businesses.
A 4 month closure could see people closing their doors!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Dreamweaver
dead by-catch floating around on the surface
You're absolutely right Goat, with so many throw back for so many reasons (limit, size, season), the need for education and correct fish handling and release is now going to be more imperative than ever.
Will the 'abalone factor' transfer to fishing on the first day(s) after the opening of the 'V5 closed season'?
Will those with smaller vessells and lesser freeboard that would pick their days have desire overway caution when the V5 closed season closes?
How inventive will fishos become at concealing V5 catches during the closed season?
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
brenz
customers pov in retail
goat we have had alot of mixed emotions on these new rules and regulations and surprising to us most of the dhuie fisherman support the goverment decisions . they also seem to make a point of " it is only 3 months and if we dont accept this then in 2 years time it will become a total bann as the fish will become a protected species" fair call i think and as a retailer and very keen dhuie fisherman my self i have pulled my head around the decisions that have been made and have decided it is for the best. just my opinion any way.
brenz
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fishy fingers
4 months
From 2010 onwards
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GOATRUTAR
Brenz what about the direct
Brenz what about the direct affect on your turnover.
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
Colin Hay
A couple of other interesting points
1) Discussions with fishing clubs to be initiated to discourage public fishing competitions from targeting high risk species. I wondre if they will contact Fishwrecked?
The finfish possession limit to be reduced at the Abrolhos Islands Fish and Fish Habitat Protection Area to 10kg of fillets (or pieces of fish) or one day’s bag limit of whole fish. The possession limit will remain in place for at least two years while a review to assess the option of managing the Abrolhos Islands as a ‘no take away’ area is undertaken.
You would think this is going to have a big affet on charter operators.
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mako magic
eventually putting the ban
eventually putting the ban to 4 months of the yeah is imo a bit of an overkill, thats hitting the peak holiday times for people, alot of kids love to go fishing on school holidays, whats it going to be like when you say no sorry mate we can only catch small fish and no dhuies or anything, look at the whiting grounds out from rockingham, there has been many good dhuies caught from there, and i think we will see alot still caught and alot go back dead,
I store my boat and pay $195 a month, so eventually i will be paying $780 a year just to keep my FISHING boat there when i can't use it for the reason i got it, not fair i think, i agree big time on reduced bag limits but no way on the closed season, thats just totally unfair and its far from going to stop the 5 listed species getting caught.
looks like the sharks of this season are going to get bigger and bigger each year now, soon we might even see some 300 fotters of the coast, all the dead dhuies blackass reds etc floating around out there, they will be loving it
brenz
goat there are 100s of
goat there are 100s of different species in the water that anglers choose to target. the turn over will change for those 3 months but when the season re opens you will make up that lost money any way. i also think that anglers will choose to target other species in those "off months" wich will pick up the money in different areas e.g jigging, squidding and lets not forget the closure time is just right for metro mackie season tuna etc wich will pick up bluewater lure sales , lets focus on the the future not the pressent . i would love to hear a bit of feed back on what you would do if we wiped out the species alltogether ? although you could look on the bright side if we wipe em out we wouldnt need a close season then would we!!!
brenz
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NoWorries
Future Fishermen
I got hooked on fishing during the xmas school holidays when i would go with my Grandad, my father didn't like fishing so the only time I would go was Xmas time.
You may think that you will make up the money when the season opens up but down the track you may not get the young blood coming in. Also some regular fishing people may take 4mths off and heaven forbid take up golf or something else and not go back to fishing.
Yes there are 100's of different species in the water but only a couple of others that you want to catch to eat.
I will probably go Sambo jigging but may just sit back and wait for Feb.
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matt i 100% agree that the
matt i 100% agree that the closure time is very very wrong as it will ruin it for the youth of today . they should move it back a month so it finishes dec 31. but something has to be done.
brenz
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brenz
i would love to see how many
i would love to see how many pple voted for this party any way as they are the real ones to blame !
brenz
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Dreamweaver
Voting Brenz
'Unfortunately' Brenz, we live in a democracy and not all voters fish. Besides, do we have any guarantees that alternative parties wouldn't have done the same. I not pro any party. It'll be interesting if these initiatives will have any impact on the next election. Though how we assess that is another matter.
Colin Molloy
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NOHA
No there not...Its the ones
No there not...Its the ones who voted Greens and gave them the balance of power.
Now the Government of the day has to bend to their will to get anything done.
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No Orange Hats Allowed
V8 twin turbo diesel....Ohh what a feeling!
GOATRUTAR
Brenz in regards to wiping
Brenz in regards to wiping the species out all together....
Mate there is more dhuies out there than we realise and if we are that concerned about the protection of the species why are the pro's still allowed to fish areas that we will not be able too.ie North of Lano!
Last 4 trips have produced 60 dhuies size and under.Not too many probs with the dhuies mate! I will not swallow what these bullshit artists are trying to feed me!
I don't disagree with restrictions but the blanket closures i'm against.
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Dreamweaver
Lots of feelings and impacts
Feelings will be running high amongst these issues, now, and a for a very long time.
1) Closed V5 Seasons - I personally agree with Brenz, let's face it, as absolutely unpalatable as this is (will be), governments will go for a solution that is easiest and causes the least political damage, whilst still being seen to be doing something that will apease, to some extent, all (most) stakeholders. Put all that together and the only alternative I see is either total bans (more floaters and conceaments!) or marine parks. Yes, I know, being told 'we can't do something' goes against the grain of the whole Australian ethos.
2) West Coast Bioregion (WCBR), notwithstanding the 'micro' considerations of specific areas (Abhrolis for example), I can't understand why the 'South Coast' bioregion (east of Augusta) has not been targetted in the same way as the sub 26 degree parallel west coat boa region? Surely, the V5 closure season will see a marked influx in fishos heading down outside the WCBR - this in turn will put pressures on fish stocks and fisheries down here. A consistent approach is required otherwise, to some extent, you are just shifting the problem. (Notwithstanding the WCBR benefits).
3) Fishing Clubs - I seem to recall that 225 and 228 initially talked about discouraging fishing comps altogether? (May be wrong). Either way, the sustainment of the comps (popular) with education against C1/V5 captures (presumably via a discouraging points system, et al zero) is a good strategic move.
4) Log Books - as I said, don't we have voluntary (non cat, but species listed) log books now - shouldn't these be made compulsory? DATA DATA DATA!
Colin Molloy
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SHizz
so in other words, after all
so in other words, after all the submissions, they still wont budge on any aspect? righto, well that was pointless.
Andy Mac
Prediction
Day one of open season and there will be a few guys fishing with dab nets looking for the big floaters.
Cheers
GOATRUTAR
Goats Andy!LOL! IF IT
Goats Andy!LOL!
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Dreamweaver
ROFL Goat
THAT was unexpected......not LOL
Colin Molloy
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Andy Mac
Im not going to ask what sort of tackle you need for that
Or I might have to delete my own posts
Cheers
NoWorries
Carefull
"One more prediction, I will nail a big Metro Spanish Mackerel, a big YFT and a heap of salmon in 2009."
I lost $100 this year as I got a bit drunk at a xmas party and had a bet that I would catch a Spaniard off Rotto this year.
Also with the Salmon if next year is like this year you may want to change that to a few Salmon
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brenz
goat i my self have no probs
goat i my self have no probs with pullin my quota of dhuies every time but lets think of the less fortunate pple who have been succesfull enough to get 1 ,this is doing far more damage to the retail game than a closure will . when people come to me to go dhuie fishing buy all this wizz bang gear go fish it and come back to tell me they didnt get a fsh they are disshartened and reluctant to go for those species again wich then reflects on us as a retailer. ok so then it is in my best interests to give away a couple of spots to ensure they catch fish , fair enoough then they tell there mates and there for no dhuies for me so it is a loose loose situation for us. so if we support these closures thenmaybe the 3 mile will start firing again and all the other common places will also produce there for making a happy customer and happy retailer.
brenz
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mako magic
big feed
5. A seasonal restriction that prohibits the take, landing and possession of the Vulnerable 5 species: dhufish, pink snapper, baldchin groper, breaksea cod and red snapper. The season will run from October 15 to December 25 in 2008, October 15 to January 31 in 2009-2010 and October 1 to January 31 for subsequent years.
well since we can't have in our possession any of the cat 1 fish, looks like some big bbq's at the start of oct this year
brenz
what are you worried about
what are you worried about any way shizz you cant catch duies to save ya life hahaha:)
brenz
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Cheers
mako magic
wonder wheter they will
wonder wheter they will rethink it when every weekend during the ban people put up reports like this below
Fished my whiting grounds out from rocko today in 30-40 m, kept 6 nice big kg's, also caught 6 big dhuies, all released , but all floated away to die, i can see where the conservation side of it is going, NOT
this will happen and more than they think
brenz
if they supply release
if they supply release weights to the rec anglers then this whole strategy might become more feasable
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mako magic
was talking to paul and i
was talking to paul and i mentioned that, though would expect the gov would still expect you to pay for them, i believe if they were fair dinkum about conserving, every registered boat owner should be given one free of charge and show they are all for it
brenz
release weights
thats right how can the government expect fishoes to take this seriously if they can invest a miniture part of tax payes money to help with the rules they have created
brenz
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Dreamweaver
Release weights
We know that the release (no pun intended) of RFW's Release Weight DVD is imminent - we just need to weight (no pun intended #2) for it. But I totally agree, given the that correct release of baratrauma'd dismersal species will be even more imperative - not only should they be free, but they should be compulsory - along with all your other 'safety' gear. Actually, if the government is serious about these conservation moves, I see that they have no option.
I'd rather see them compulsory rather than just free.
It's the only way to minimise the number of floaters (along with education of course).
So make them free, then a massive multi media campaign. This too, is where 'salt water rec licences' would allow targetted mail outs.
Colin Molloy
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Scott Bateman
Surley possesion doesn't
Surley possesion doesn't mean what's allready in your freezer??? Correct me if i'm wrong but that's bloody ridiculous if thats what it means!!!!
fishy fingers
IT DO I'M AFRAID
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NoWorries
Offer !!
Give me a car Battery (or enough lead) and I will give you a couple if sized release weights.
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brenz
no scott it does not include
no scott it does not include freezer stock just boat possesion limit .
brenz
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fishy fingers
I thoght
The possesion limits did include your freezer at home Have they changed this?...I havent read the details
To all the virgins..............Thanks for nothing!
Scott Bateman
Thats allright then....Well
Thats allright then....Well I know that Bunbury needs some time to recoup it's losses.
uncle
limits
it maybe a conspiracy,they reakon we wont be able to afford the fuel so bring in the limits.
Fast fish rule!
GOATRUTAR
Mr Mac it has been tongue in
Mr Mac it has been tongue in cheek comments that have got me in trouble in the past.
Brenz I'm not saying I get my quota every time I fish but if you do good luck to you.
Its hardly your responsibility if your customers cant find dhuies so I can't see how it reflects badly on you.I've invested some big bucks to help in my hobbie but that is my choice.If you are fishing from a small boat without the adequate electronic equiptment you can't expect to have great success on a regular basis.
Giving away spots, not smart as you said!Why would you?
As for release weights, its been clearly stated that the mortality rates of fish pulled from 40+m is 80-90%.(Which doesn't mean its not worth correctly releasing them).
The principle behind the idea I support but its the way they have implemented it without taking into account all facets of the wider community and the way they have incorporated Pro Zones with rec No-GO zones!
Brenz I'm still keen to hear what you think about the pro's being able to fish say between Lano and Jurien and the Rec not!
They have flogged the metro and now they have open slather on the mid west without the rec for 4months of the year!
THIS IS NOT STOCK PRESEVATION!
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
brenz
goat i couldnt agree more
goat i couldnt agree more with you about the pros it is100% bullsh!t that they can still fish whilst the rrecreational angler cant . but you got to remember this is politics the highest bidder will always win and whilst the pros are paying huge money to the goverment to fish there is nothing we can do. they are thinking of there pockets not anything else but whist the pros are fishing this is the only way to preserve our stocks. you are also right that it shouldnt reflect on us if they cant find fish but it does ... welcome to retail!
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GOATRUTAR
One thing this isn't guys
One thing this isn't guys is a pro bash!They are intitled to earn a living as much as the rest of us but when we are told that the top 5 fish are in serious trouble by the Govt they have to be serious about it!No band aids!
The pro's arn't paying anything Brenz apart from tax on there earnings!
Once the licence to fish a zone is purchased thats it.
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
brenz
definately not a pro bash by
definately not a pro bash by any means but every 1 has there own opinion and that is mine .
brenz
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brenz
outa curiosity does any 1
outa curiosity does any 1 dissagree with the tailor bag limits?
brenz
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GOATRUTAR
I wasn't aiming that at you
I wasn't aiming that at you mate just making sure that our conversation wasn't taken that way.
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
GOATRUTAR
It will only effect people
It will only effect people if thats what they fish for so in my case no but once apon a time it may have.
Crabs on the other hand........
IF IT SMELLS LIKE FISH IT MUST BE GOOD FOR YOU!
brenz
thats alright mate and as i
thats alright mate and as i have said i understand were every 1 is comming from . my old boy is howling to goat and i expect if i wasnt in the industry i would be 2 as thats all he fishes for . as for the crabs 100% dissagree with there decission that is being well over the top and darn right rediculas.
we should consider ourselves a little lucky as if peter garret had his way he was goin to try to sanctuary the whole of wa as unbeleivable as it sounds.
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we have jackasses in power
what a joke the ban is so much overkill. i dont disagree with the reuction of bag limits or size increase but come on puting a ban on the fish for three months will see people going out and getting bag loads of other fish (will thye become banned too) John Ford whats going on in your head. as the paper said the other day its between 45and 55 bucks a kilo for snapper. im not going to pay that that is why i go fishing, plus the enjoyment. grrrr D$%ks in parliment need a good kick in the butt
(just my opinion and im angry as)
riddlez
fish hard or go home just as
fish hard or go home just as well i didnt sell my barra boat gona need it
tommo77
i dont understand
'looks like the sharks of this season are going to get bigger and bigger each year now, soon we might even see some 300 fotters of the coast, all the dead dhuies blackass reds etc floating around out there, they will be loving it'
why will there be so many dead fish?
i dont go fishing on boats but is that because when they bring the fish up it will die from the pressure? excuse my ignorance
NoWorries
You may not Tommo
But many of us like a day out on the water.
If we choose to wet a line to catch other fish and just happen to hook a Cat 1 we will just have to try to get it back down without killing it but some won't make it so they will become shark food.
Most fish have problems getting back down once they are brought up to the surface it is called Barotrauma causing there swim bladder to expand (I think).
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Yeah the pressure change can
Yeah the pressure change can kill the fish as they get barotrauma
Dreamweaver
Tommo....floaters
A lot of species that are caught from a boat, if to be released successfully, require various types of special care and correct release technique.
A lot of species that are pulled from water of any depth suffer in varying ways from barratrauma - the delitarious effect extracting (retreiving) a fish from deep in the water column (where they are under greater atmospheric pressure equivalent) to thw surface - which is less pressure. Like a diver asscending too quick. This requires correct use of a release weight, or similar mechanism.
Additionally, if fish are handled poorly (unsupported, dry hands, dry sunny surface etc) they can die. Or if 'swum' incorrectly even.
So the seasonal West Coast Bioregion preclusion of the 'Valuable 5/Cat 1' catch retension will mean more fish will be released, more potentially, ny inexperienced boat fishos, hence more floaters.
Colin Molloy
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Rodrat
Question
I am a little confused after watching the news.
Does all the rules apply from just kalbarri south?
The cat 1 fish being decreased from 7 a day to 4.
Is that just kalbarri south or all of w/a?
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Auslobster
These arguments about how
These arguments about how young people won't get into fishing because of the V5 seasonal bans are somewhat ridiculous, don't you think? How many of us started fishing as small kids, catching dhuies and snapper? I'm quite happy with the ban during school holidays. Remember, January is a snapper breeding month, and not just in Cockburn/Warnbro Sounds. They are quite easily caught during that time at places like the Five Fathom Bank as well. While they're breeding!
If you bought a boat just to catch a feed of dhufish/snapper, wouldn't it have been cheaper just to buy the fish instead? Think beyond the heavy sinkers/lumps of octopus/20 mile runs offshore....if you're in it for something other than a feed, try a bit of trolling or maybe some light tackle fishing with soft plastics on the back of the reef. There's more to fishing than just hauling up meat.
As far as "floaters" go, the number of people going out there is going to be heavily reduced during the ban. When the ban begins this October, I can't see myself burning up 100 litres of petrol at $2 a litre (or more) trying to catch a banded sweep or a sargeant baker.
This is something that needed to be done, the government's only mistake (and not just THIS government) is that they left it to long to do anything about it.
NoWorries
Yep Me
Fishing for Snapper at about 10 , thats how I got hooked.
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couldnt
agree more,as you said try something else. my family enjoy just getting out on the water ,sure its nice to get a good feed but people have got to just enjoy it out there ,have some fun with light gear on some big skippy or to that affect there is a lot of other fish to fry other than dhuis that taste just as good.
RUSS
"A family that fishes together stays together"
VAGABOND
I think it would have worked
I think it would have worked better if they shortend the closure time and put a complete ban on bottom fishing then Barotrauma wouldn't be an issue. Maybe spread the months out a bit more or even no fishing first week of every month? this would be easier for the fishing/boating industry to survive rather than such a large period of time with reduced profits. Main thing that concerns me the 4 month ban could be in forever once in place. Alot of these new fishing regs are based on very little scientific evidence and alot of guess work. What will be different in the future? will they do another creel survey and times it by the amount of Rec boats again? It would be good to know how they will measure if these new regs have been a big success or not. It will be interesing to see if in the near future we start noticing more fish and larger sizes?
Will be entertaining seeing all the boats at the ramp the first good day after the closure, get down there early. LOL, Ramp Rage!
Rodrat
Really is a joke
How do these people making the rules know how many fish are out there? Does john ford go fishing?
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Dreamweaver
Rod, let me respond this way
It was in response to Oz's post in FWA:
Remember folks this IS about the West Coast Bioregion, not the whole of WA.
I'm certainly for conservation, fish for the future etc. However, I'm yet to be convinced that there is unempirical data.
We can't stock take demersal (aside from roving palegics) - so how do we judge depletion?
Even the process of accurately measuring depletion is at best, difficult, at worst, nigh on impossible.
The have been extrapolated kreel surveys undertaken. (I've yet to read
the complete 2005-6 survey promulgated by RFW) , the only option is
compulsory log books.
Bet let's pull up a chair and examine this closely.
Recently, as a concerned (and, I hope somewhat enlightened boat
fisho) I approached DoF (Dept of Fisheries, and subsequently secured
their 'Angler's Log Book' (Ocean Edition).
To achieve an exhaustive, accurate (and therefore incontestable)
extraction analysis, you would have to honestly record your catch and
then have it subject to QA by fisheries officers at the point of
landing - verified to your actual catch. Obviously, a resource
impossible task.
Then this Fishery Officer verification would need to be communicated to the DoF research dept.
It's a difficult prospect for sure.
Some anglers, to some degree, understandably, will catch tons of
V5/Cat 1 fish over and over again, and say there is no depletion and
the existing fishing right and 'ethos' can continue. But does that
prove that stocks are healthy or being depleted?
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
fishy fingers
Rodrat
I think what Colin 2 is trying to say is they have no idea what the stocks are and never will probably
To all the virgins..............Thanks for nothing!
Dreamweaver
Almost FF
You almost got there FF - I'm saying that, in addition to not knowing stocks, it IMO be almost impossible to put in place a system that ensures the accurate recording of all captures.
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
VAGABOND
They don't, He doesn't
They don't, He doesn't
Paul G
Raise the size limits of all
Raise the size limits of all cat one fish only one dhuie per person ;more marine parks ,"CLOSURE "i'll see you out there goat i'll give them some floaters
mako magic
yeah as we spoke about paul,
yeah as we spoke about paul, put dhuies to 60cm pinks to 50, raise them all by 5cm or 10cm, that would be fair and reasonable marine parks, not full closure of cockburn sound geo bay etc, dont think too many people would object, funny how its still 2 dhuies though but lowered snapper, especially considering dhuies are really only found in wa, but snapper are all over the lower part of australia
tommo77
yeah i dont have a boat LOL
what i meant to say is 'i have never been fishing on a boat'
im sure its awesome.
thanks for that i was just wondering
Paul G
Is this a total ban or only
Is this a total ban or only between lano and agusta
Dreamweaver
Paul - WCB
West Coat Bioregion - here's a map:
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
VAGABOND
Kalbarri to Augusta
Kalbarri to Augusta
Paul G
Well i think a lot more
Well i think a lot more people will go out of there way to break the ban .Plenty break the rules now, on bag limits and size limits,there's no fisheries on the ramp so who's going to stop them. I for one will head out deeper, and target other fish, and hope i don't catch to many cat one fish in the prosess .it really shits me that i am even thinking this way, after years of releasing large amounts of fish to make sure there is still fish for the future.but i draw the line at some pollie telling me i can't enjoy my hobbie the way i want to, im a deep sea bottom bouncer, not a whiting herring fisho. Thats all from me, on this f#^&*% topic.....
mike79
how long
how long will it be befor the guys trolling up surface fish get the same action the bottom bouncers are facing now. i didnt buy y boat just for the meat but it is how ever a nice plus to be able to enjoy some nice tasting fish after the efforts put in. I myself enjoy jigging around the little lumps, more often than not its a smabo i pull up but every now and then it will be a dhuie or a pinkie. now i have to release them. coe in closer and get a feed of whiting or skippy that is until they then become threatened and then it will be none at all. can anyone answer why the closure this year is till december 25th then the next years will be 31st of january. why not juts make it all the same.i juts hate to see how much an impact it has on everyth else not just fishing but the people affected in other areas of this. but why is it that the dhuies are still at 2 per person and not reduced compared to snapper doesnt make sense.
VAGABOND
I would have liked to have
I would have liked to have seen the V5 seperated from the other CAT1 fish, the reason given by minister is it would be too confusing for anglers to understand the bag limit, 4 V5 and 3 CAT1 = Bag limit 7, I'm so confused!!! We can't fish we can't count LOL!
Faulkner Family
my anderstanding
is the cat one bag limit is now 4 when they open up the ban on v5 again it still stays at 4 cat one,if you fish 2 pple on your boat you can catch 8 cat one if you fish 4 you can catch 16 cat 1 if you fish 5 you can get 9 cat one,is that way it works ?????
RUSS
"A family that fishes together stays together"
Rodrat
Errrr
Im pretty sure its a 2bag limit per boat regardless of wether you have two or four on the boat. Max 8 cat 1 fish per boat.
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mako magic
4. A boat limit of two daily
4. A boat limit of two daily bag limits of Category 1 fish to be introduced. Where five or more fishers are on board a recreational or charter boat, an additional two Category 1 fish per person (over and above the boat limit) will be allowed for the fifth and additional fishers.
From that russ i would take it that with 4 people you are still only allowed 8 cat 1 fish, but i maybe mistaken and read it wrong, it would only change after there is 5 or more people on the boat
Faulkner Family
no probs