Myth Buster
Submitted by Bloke on Fri, 2008-07-18 20:58.
I've read a few times where people are saying the Gillies Okta Killer jigs have very light guage hooks, well it's simply not true!
The Gillies have the best hooks out of all this style of jigs, the pic here abouts is of a 100 gram Okta Killer & a 90 gramRiver to sea Octo Sniper.
Cheers, Al.
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LOL
The one on the right looks like Homer Simpson's head !
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LMAO Lindsay - You might be onto something there
It could be another "Mr Sparkle".
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Seem reasonably thick to me,
Seem reasonably thick to me, you'd need a lot of drag pressure to straighten them. I guess a fish biting down might be a little different (though not nessicariy worrying).
The raba rabas have pretty small, thin hooks too.
Edit: Colin, fish + lumo = mr sparkle :p
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hooks
I was quite supprised when we straigtended them on only 20lb braid
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Conners
I reckon it would be more likely the pressure from the fishes mouth that straightened them, rather than drag pressure from 20lb braid.
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yeah your probably right
yeah your probably right
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They look thick enough but
They look thick enough but what's the steel like, I've used Big Guns and Hoodlums for Bluebone and to look at you'd think they were similar strength but the Big Guns are chewing gum in comparison.
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Seem great!
I've caught baldies at Abrolhos on them and a few Dhuies to 11kg and cant complain about hook strength, the skirts on the Gillies jigs is a lot more durable than the others too.
I've sold hundreds of them and yet to have a complaint about them, the only feedback I've had has been all positive so far, unlike a couple of other brands out there.
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Not to mention, a lot more
Not to mention, a lot more skirt (the rabas look like they're skimping a lot), cheaper, lots of lumo on the head and some on the skirt and have a default wobbling action. Not sure how the rabas or other jigs go when you leave them still, but the gillies kind of move side to side. Its not a constant motion wobble which looks unusual though (but not in a bad way)
Biggest dhuie so far was on a gillies. Admittidly, it wasnt all that big in relative terms :p
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Yet people are still
Yet people are still straightening hooks.
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Dean
1 person on a 60lb sambo using a little 100gram jig, so who are all these "people" that are straightening "hooks" on em?
Have you used or even seen them?
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Uhhh, yeah, that must be
Uhhh, yeah, that must be it....
btw, where do these c's keep coming from?
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Al Yes I own some Yes I have
Al
Yes I own some
Yes I have used them, though only caught a blackarse
And amoungst people who I talk and work with a few have mentioned problems with the hooks, though they are using 50-80lb braid
Mainly on pinkies
do you think it's worth the extra money to upgrade hooks?
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300 gram and the 100 gram from the pic above, most sambo jigs would have gamma or the likes in 9/0 or 10/0 fitted and around the 300 to 500 gram mark.
The Okta style jigs are designed more for slow jigging for bottom species, the fact that a 28kg sambo was landed on a 100 gram model with standard hooks is a testiment to the Gillies product.
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Hell yeah!
Upgrade by all means, but personally I havnt found the need to yet.
I've been using mine with upto 80lb with the 150 to 300 gram jigs and have had no problems what so ever.
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there radical looking things
there radical looking things
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Far too technical for me and
Far too technical for me and you kane!
Give me a coat hanger and a fresh squid anyday!LOL!
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Ive been using them alot of
Ive been using them alot of late and i personally dont take the risk on most off the shelf lures and upgrade the hooks. But thats just my personal preference. I just hate dropping good fish because of shit terminal tackle. Ill try one without upgrades and let you know what i think.
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thats what i say .a box of
thats what i say .a box of squid does me
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Yep
And its a whole lot cheaper as well.
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Okta Jigging
Piece of cake!
Drop ya okta over the side and leave it a meter off the bottom with the rod in the holder, let the boat work it for you on the waves/chop/swell.
Then drop a bait over as per usual, you'll be surprised at how often the jig gets hit
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Worth a try...
I picked one up the other day Al...
I'll give it a try next time I'm out...
So you don't need to work it at all?
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With the octa jigs (havent
With the octa jigs (havent tried the others yet) you can just leave the rod in your hands or in a rod holder and do nothing. The jig has some action due to the current and the rocking of the boat will move it a little. Otherwise you can work them in slow, wide sweeps. You can also wind in slowly. They might work faster, I dont know, but if so I would guess then perhaps that it would be on fish that would take the knife type jigs? Mix it up and see what works. (seeing as the fish can have different preferences at different times)
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cheers hobie bloke.i will
cheers hobie bloke.i will give it a go.all i catch is dhuie mybe with a hook off the bottom might pick up a pinky
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Fishes mouth straightend them
I dont think so maybe a little too much drag,if your straightenging hooks there shit
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If you dont have a spare
If you dont have a spare rod, you can use the jigs as a sinker weight on a paternoster too. Depends on the drift as you can obviously get larger sinkers than jigs. You can only use two droppers as the jig counts as a set of hooks though. Keeping it off the bottom still applies (but then I dont like dragging my sinker either).
Makes you wonder whether a jig assist hook and a skirt on a painted sinker would work too :p
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Hlock if you don't like
Hlock if you don't like dragging your sinker it kind of defeats the idea of bottom bouncing.
One thing I do know is that you catch more fish when you are on the bottom!
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Hence the name :p Last time
Hence the name :p
Last time I was out, I caught more fish than anyone and i dropped to the bottom and wound up a little (so near, but not quite on, but it does occasionally hit). I think my dad was a little too busy getting snagged :p Seemed to work fine on that occasion, but I havent experimented with it enough to be sure.
Though, not everyone can avoid snags while bouncing the bottom like you Matt, so some of us have to dumb it down a little to avoid loosing so much gear, lol. With practice, I should be able to get a little lower slowly slowly
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LOL
I think Goat just may be a "tiny" bit more experianced here Hlokk.
My advice would be to listen to him.
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nnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
hlokk is the man......
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Still not sure you are
Still not sure you are getting it mate!
Anyway what ever works for you!
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you are right
keeping the line on the bottom is the go .always done better if you bounce the gear
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Of course, hence why I dont
Of course Lindsay, hence why I dont keep my sinker right on the bottom (not as much experience). You wouldnt expect a trainee pilot to fly around 10m off the ground now would you
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seriously hlokk, are you all
seriously hlokk, are you all there mate??? do you always have a answer??
people this is why ladies shouldnt do drugs whilst pregnant........................
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LOL
A bit of a difference there mate, im far from a experienced bottom bouncer (geeze that sounds rude) but I keep the sinker bouncing on the bottom, so you loose a sinker every now and again, so what ?
I am begining to think that you do quite a bit of "Fishing and Baiting" on this site Hlokk.
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All over
Righteo, I'm over this stuff, I think you are right Lindsay so thats that for the mean time.
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LOL
Is that a "Head Band" ???
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smart arse
Smart arse, lol,
Now everyone leave Hlokk alone and go aout your normal business.
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Al.
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facts! Diji
Dont let facts get in the way of your story
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Tried It
Lumo painted a 16oz chucked a assist hook on it and unfortunatly kept catching coral and weed.
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Look the goods Al
I've not used them yet (certainly will), but from those picks, they look reasonably solid.
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Your story Al not mine
More likely isnt a fact,maybe a crocodile might straighten them!lol
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its not how thick the hook
its not how thick the hook is though, its the material the hook is made out of . i can vouch for the ruba rubas hooks as my 80 lb braid broke before the hooks gave way in a snagged situation
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FIGJAM
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edit: not directed at you brenz.
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I must change that FIGJAM
if you straighten them hooks on 20lb line more likely there is a problem,and if your straightening them on 80lb its more likely the crocodile on the end
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Yep I Agree
I think Diji has hit the nail on the head there.
I personally have not used the Okta (allthough I have a couple in the tacklebox)
But I wouldn't be thinking a Sambo has the power in its mouth to straighten a hook because if it did I wouldn't be chucking my hands in its mouth to get mine out. Grab a pair of plyers and see how hard it is to do it by hand. I can tell you I tried it a couple of minutes ago and yes they do bend but its not easy to do.
If the hook did straighten on 20lb I like Diji would be thinking there is a major problem with the hooks material.
I have looked at the hooks on my 2 Okta jigs (300g I think) and agree with Al, I don't think you would need to replace them as they look and feel more than strong enough.
Have a great day.
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Hobie, I caught a baldie and
Hobie,
I caught a baldie and a big queenie on the Ockta yesterday. No problems at all.
I also had one snagged up a couple of weeks ago when I had to snap the line off. 50lb braid with 80lb leader. I snapped the leader off and the hooks were still hanging on.
I reckon the hooks on the Ockta are fine.
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I tried
one of those Diawa ones? in Onslow and unfortunately for me, it got nailed in a nanosecond! Steroids I tell ya, they're all on steroids....
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He He
Wasn't the only thing that got nailed in Onslow. eh ?
Have the welts gone yet ??
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