90hp Etec prop
Submitted by bouttime on Fri, 2015-01-09 15:57
Guys,
Looking for what prop size i need on the Galeforce. A bit of a long shot as i dont know what size prop i have on it now as there is no markings. Problem i have is will only rev to 4600 with 2 on board and about 27knts. I have a foil comming to help with stern lift as i have no trim range and hope a new prop will increase revs to give better mid range. I am guessing a 15 inch prop and pitch or even a bit smaller.
Any one have a simular combonation they can shed some light on.
Cheers
JohnF
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As I recall, I had a 15 inch
As I recall, I had a 15 inch SS prop on my 90 etec and got about 5100 rpm. Definately want more than 4600 rpm, low revs no good for the motor.
Preference would be 5200-5500 I think.
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With the info you have you
With the info you have you should be able to take it to a dealer and they will tell you what prop you need to get the best revs ect
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holth
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Dont worry about the foil .
Dont worry about the foil . The correct prop will fix your problem.
Your prop should have markings on it. Mite have to take it off to see them. Will certainly help give us a idea where to start.
I bet you would have a 17" sst on it. A 15" raker would work well l recon. Do a google search on brp props.
From memory the 90hp optimum rpm is 5200.
bouttime
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Thanks Holth will have to
Thanks Holth will have to take the prop off and have a look. It does have SST written on the prop but that is all I can find without taking it off. RPM from a search says between about 4900rpm and 5400 rpm. I could get close to that on a glass flat day and trim the motor out but in a slight chop or swell I have the motor trimmed in all the way to get the nose down and the hull working to avoid hull slap. The foil I hope will help lift the bum and get the nose down a bit more working properly. One up fully trimmed in I still get hull slap.
I dont want to spend alot of money as I will be repowering in the future and have been told the motor is not worth anything to trade so want to avoid going through the process of buying and selling props. Then plan is to put a new 115hp yammie 4 stroke on the back when this one gives up.
I will check out the raker prop online. Thanks
sandbar
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Worth the effort
Definately hunt online to check best prop. There are a few sites that after you enter the motor, boat length and hull material will give you the reccomened prop.
I dont know your boat size and weight but I have an 18ft glass with a 90hp, I have a SS, 13 1/4 inch diameter with 16 inch pitch and get WOT 5800rpm, 30knts.
Good luck and report back how you go.
marble
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Contact galeforce and ask
Contact galeforce and ask them ? Forget the foil , get a 4 blade will help stern lift
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sstevee
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Tow the whole rig to 'just
Tow the whole rig to 'just props' in ossy park... Save yourself the guess work and if you end up with the wrong prop they'll change it
Thats what i'd do..
fish200red
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prop
i have a SST 15 inch prop you can try if you like
It was of a etec 115hp ,
pm if interested
ROB
Albee Mangles
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Ive the SST
17" prop on my Seafarer Vsea, 90 etec, will do 5000rpm, and cruises sweet on 3500. Economy is also superb. Probably not as fast out of the hole but is a great cruising prop.
bouttime
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Thanks guys. Being in
Thanks guys. Being in Exmouth makes it a bit hard. I went through the same issues on my last boat with Solas in Brisband and cost about $200 posting props back and forth. I am heading down to perth next month so might bring the prop down then and see what they can do.
Fish200red thanks mate pm sent.
Paul H
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noting you have no trim range
noting you have no trim range (why) the other question would be is the motor mounted correctly height wise?? Hard to tell from the pics with the motor raised but it looks like if tilted down the cavitation plate would be well above the bottom of the hull.
Might want to check that first before changing props...
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Etec props
Hey bouttime brp props have name on side if it ie `raker or `rebel .I reckon a 15" rebel would suit you. They are fairly cheap to buy from dealers and you can swap them if not happy.I run a 17 " most time and a 19" on long trips less speed more ecomony.
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Foil
My advice would be to forget you even heard of a hydrofoil and go for the smaller pitch prop.
Been on and seen too many boats performance stuffed up by sticking a foil on.
They will give you lift sure , but in a following sea that is definitely the last thing you want. On minute you are cruising sweetly then along comes a swell and all of a sudden you are surfing down the face with next to no steering and around and over you go
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+++++I wholeheartedly agree.
+++++
I wholeheartedly agree. Been there on a mates boat and scared the shit out of both off us. It came off when we got "safely"??? home.
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bouttime
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The motor is on the bottom
The motor is on the bottom mount so can not lower it any more. I can trim it out but it will just hull slap and it gets very flighty at anything over quarter trim. Not sure a change in prop will fix this.
When I get a chance I will take the prop off and have a look to see if there is any other markings on it. All I can see is the SST stamped on the side.
The foil I am fitting is one of the Ozhydrofoil alloy plates which is an extension of the cavitation plate. Same as the Permatrim foils. A mate put one on his seafarer and it improved the boat heaps. He had the same problem as I have now. I have fitted one to another boat in the past it it worked well even in a following sea. The boat is only really for fishing in the gulf and the odd trip on the west side so wont be travelling in big heavy seas. I will make a few calls on Monday and see what Galeforce have to say before I fit one.
Thanks for the imput.
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Standard
If they were any good then ask yourself why the plates are not made bigger an all new engines.
The early Volvo sterndrives had a bigger than normal plate on them but this disappeared very shortly after it was released
Albee Mangles
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The SST
props normally have the numbers cast into the end of the center of the prop around the nut.
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would like to see a pic from
would like to see a pic from behind at cavitation plate height with the motor down. As above may just be the angle of the pic but have seen a similar problem before
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bouttime
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I will try and get a better
I will try and get a better photo tomorrow.
bouttime
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Ok so i found the prop size,
Ok so i found the prop size, its 13 7/8x15. Prop number 176571 S.
It looks like its an alloy prop as the magnet sticks.
I will give the dealers a call tomorrow and see what they say. Will try and find a stainless prop to fit.
Have added photos of the motor height.
Cheers
holth
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Mate l would be raising that
Mate l would be raising that motor. Its way to low. Put it as high as it goes. You will certainly gain rpms and mite solve your porposing problems. If you get any cavitation drop it down one hole.
Get engine height right before out laying money for a prop.
bouttime
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If i raise the engine how do
If i raise the engine how do i then stop the hull slap/porposing. As it is now anything over 1/4 trim and its very flighty and will hull slap even in the smallest of chop.
Cheers
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You tried putting esky and
You tried putting esky and excess gear up front. thought it's worth mentioning weight distribution. My brothers boat is very uneasy with hydrofoil and a following sea. Try all the free stuff first may solve the problem with no cash outlay
holth
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Its all one step at a time.
Its all one step at a time. You wont know till you try these things and it wont cost you anything. Raising engine can be done easliy in drive way using the trailer jockey wheel.
You want to see the top of cav plate once your on the plain.
Once engine height is right then look at props if raising engine doesnt help with the porposing. You will certainly gain rpms lifting the engine though.
crasny1
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Please explain
How do you lift the engine using the Jockey wheel. Im perplexed???
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Use jockey wheel to raise
Use jockey wheel to raise bow till the outboard touches the ground which releases the weight, undo bolts balancing outboard on skeg . Raise and lower jockey wheel to match the desired holes.
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Cheers mate
Makes sense.
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Not sure if that's how he
Not sure if that's how he does it but it was the way I took my outboard of last year only needed 2 people
Paul H
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cavitation plate should
cavitation plate should generally be level with the bottom of the hull (hence just visible sitting on top the water when planning), the original pics with motor raised gave me the impression it may have been way higher (that and the no trim range bit made me question the height), new pics seems to show (better but still not an ideal angle to say for sure) this is about right.
Whole heap of factors could be at play with the trim/slap (angle of transom, weight distribution - fuel, eskys, persons etc).
Has the prop been changed at any point by anyone else - is it the standard/recommended prop for the motor??
Agree foil would be a last resort
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I have tried the esky up the
I have tried the esky up the front full of ice and also when travelling 2 up have the other person up the fron also. It does make a difference in ride but can be uncomfortable for the person sitting up the front.
I am not sure if it is the original prop. Trying to get hold of someone in the know to find out.
I am heading out Saturday and will have a look at where the cav plate is sitting whilst cruising.
Cheers
holth
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Paul H. The prop hes running
Paul H. The prop hes running is the bog standard cheap prop most Etec dealers use on the lower hp motors. They aint going to mount a $600 stainless prop on at there cost. Most etec buyer think ,hope that the dealer has set it up correct and off they go boating. Not alot of owners know any different, Who ever set the boat up originally when motor was mounted didnt go off Brps rigging guide lines to prop the motor to optimum rpm and get engine height right , l wonder if they water tested the boat when motor was mounted.
I owned an Etec from new years ago and had all the same issues , not reaching correct rpms , motor to low. It cost alot of time and money in the end and l still didnt get it perfect . Best thing l did though was to join the etecownersgroup.com and found all the info l needed.
Bouttime l recon you take alook at there site and ask some questions over there.
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Don't need to I have a
Don't need to I have a Yammy.....
Again I have stated the angles of the pics aren't ideal but height looks about right (for any outboard) but I never said raising it wouldn't improve the issue I only raised the point that it could be a number of things - possibly more than one.
Yep prop looks standard however I am only looking at pics and would only be guessing size/pitch etc and don't know the history of the boat (i.e. was there a previous owner who changed the prop to a different pitch etc).
Yep had dealer issues when my motor was mounted (not sealed/water leaks, put a plastic board over (sealing) the engine well drain, vibrations at certain revs - now all sorted thankfully).
Cheers and thanks for the suggestion anyway
(all taken in good nature)
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Agree Holth, mate of mine
Agree Holth, mate of mine relied on the dealer to set his e-tec up properly,after 6 mths of back and forth he raised the engine himself gave them back there s/s prop that they had promised would fix the problem$800 and now the boat runs great,even faster than mine.His is a 130 etec and mine a 150 yammie,although i had an extra person on board and the bigger fish lol on the way home.
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Albee Mangles
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Mate
I have just talked to the chivers guys about this, i have got my hands on a 15" prop which im going to try on mine next week. i will let you know how it compares to the 17" ive had on it. Im up in Exxy in April and will be bringing my rig, if you havent got it sussed by then you can borrow a few of my props and try them if you like?
fish200red
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prop
the motor looks like its right hieght
I have a stainless sst 15inch prop if anybody needs one $250
pm if interested
cheers rob
bouttime
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Thanks guys, spoke with Luke
Thanks guys, spoke with Luke from Chivers and he is very switched on. He recomended a different prop which i will try and source second hand if i can. Will still check the cav height on sat when i get the boat out.
Fish200red do you know what size prop it is and the code. Might be interested.
Albee might take you up on that if i have no luck.
Cheers
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Can l ask what prop he
Can l ask what prop he recommended.
fish200red
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prop
numbers are 13 7/8 x 15 , 176571
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Ring Max OGrady. He is a
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Totally agree with Holth
Join etec owners group and speak to Huey from Huey's Marine in Sydney, he is a moderator on the site.
Provide engine details, and he will give you good advice.