adam simpson
Submitted by petermac on Fri, 2014-07-25 21:59
i will kick it of , adam simpson might hang on this season but if the dont have success he will be lucky to see the next season out i reacon two golden boys from their golden days days will be coaching them 2016 peter sumich and dean laidley
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Bring on the junk yard dog.
Bring on the junk yard dog.
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petermac
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yes agree
dean laidley never left an oppenent wondering thats for sure
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have another beer mate
have another beer mate
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Haha, Iv never read someone
Haha, Iv never read someone to sound pissed unintentionally lol
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I am with you petemac, team
I am with you petemac, team has underachieved all year, if you cant motivate them after what happened to Coxy, when can you?
Piss him off now and grab Choco, he has the runs on the board as a senior coach and is obviously commands respect , look at his roles at gws and richmond , plus he is available , if we persist with Simpson we get mediocrity!
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petermac
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you might be on to it
hadent thought Choco but you could be onto somthing , mediocrity is somthing the eagles fans will not put up with
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Fair go boys, the bloke
Fair go boys, the bloke INHERITED a list that was lacking in speed, toughness and skill. He had no chance to make any changes whatsoever. There will be a massive cleanout at this seasons end. Im a staunch west coast supporter but some of you guys need to give a guy a chance. Its akin to sayin a jockey can get more out of a second rate horse! Sumich is so far from the answer this club needs, its the players who win/lose games and currently we lack talent and we are slow and soft.
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Well said mate. People are
Well said mate. People are quick to hang blokes out to dry...Simpson has a lot of hard work to do and it wont happen quickly.
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Roos
What a load of shit!!
How does this compare with Paul Roos and what he inherited when he went to the Demons?
West Coast have the personel they just arent getting the best out of them which is the coaches job. He was the wrong person for the job right from the start.
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petermac
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your opinion
totalt agree with you he is way to soft
petermac
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your opinion
totalt agree with you he is way to soft
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Fully agree!
Fully agree!
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From the outside looking in ,
From the outside looking in , Simpson just comes across as extremely passive and nonchalant .. he needs to publicly fire up and show some passion instead of looking like a preprogrammed robot
Wouldn't happen but Roos or Bomber Thompson would be my go to man ..
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agree- looking at the post
agree- looking at the post game interview, Simpson didn't look like a real coach to me. looked like he was about to cry. Piss weak, and I think they're really going to struggle next year. would be better off with benny cousins coaching
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Great idea.
...with Cousins coaching we can call them the West Coast Bombers.
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Knives
Knives are out on here, talk back radio, on forums etc. Tough times ahead for WC.
WTF has happened to Wellingham? Bit of a Des Headland scenario happening.
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exactly
when they had the gun players feeding them the ball they looked great , when supply drops of both struggled to get the ball,
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sharrod wellingham
that bloke has had the biggest bludge i have ever seen and yet he is still on 500k a year wellingham
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Wellingham should have been
Wellingham should have been a star player but simply he isn't anymore. Maybe our game style doesn't suit him? Anyway I was watching west perth vs east perth with a few WCE players playing. Even though the ground wasn't great and it might aswell been a swimming pool wellingham didn't have much of an impact and I'm pretty sure he was concussed or something? Crips had another grat game kicking 2 or 3 in a low scoring match and Sinclair again getting the vast majority of hitouts. Dunno what we can do with wellingham tho
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Yep can't see any good news
Yep can't see any good news for us in the near future BJ unless they pull of a recruiting coup. Simpson hasn't sparked anything in the line up, discipline and skills are down.
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petermac
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agree with you
they need some snarl the way the team went about it after Coxy was flattened was poor , a Dean Laidley would have run in and flattened Vickery even though he would weigh 30 kg less than vickery, Bring him and summa on as joint coaches on in 2016 I say
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We need someone who had
We need someone who had enough balls in the lineup to take vickery on
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was at the game and found
was at the game and found out the Richmond supporters and Cheer Squad are actually quite decent people, as long as you are wearing yellow and black ;) Haha. Weasel supporters did the usual 3rd Quarter Shuffle..... but a fair whack left at half time! sitting around a few of them, they had no cheer - which is rather disheartening.
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Maybe they will be leaving
Maybe they will be leaving at 1st quarter in round 20!
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I think simpson test will
I think simpson test will come next year. He didn't have any opportunity to influence list management before the trade and draft period. I don't think he has his coaching team in place yet. Give him a trade and draft period this year and next year will be his test.
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my 5 cents worth
roos took on the job on his terms and hand picked his assistants , clarkson paid out of his own pocket for his support staff / assistant ,chocco ,laidley , balm , n.craig was coaching now they are assistant coaches , IMO ,simpson has been installed to fail,changing of the guard , changing of game plan and { no}assistants ,resources equals results! can some one please tell me who recruited wellingham & josh hill ? to name a few ,and until the powers that be opens the purse strings and gets serious then the eagles will keep sliding down ,question! hows st. Kilda faring with new coach??
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Better than the dockers!
Better than the dockers!
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last is better than 4th is it
so thats why the eagles are tanking again they think last is were you need to be
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Installed to fail?!? Please
Installed to fail?!? Please explain. Why o why would a club install a coach to fail even though he is, I'd love to know your reasoning. The way I see it is the management is failing in their job. These clubs are all big business enterprises now and if they don't get bums on seats and sell lots and lots of merchandise then they go broke. And all you people who point the finger at Eagles fan not being faithful and fair weather supporters look at yourselves and your own clubs when they are failing. It's human nature not to accept failure and defeat, Ive seen it plenty of times at other AFL games when the crowds depart en mass when their side puts in a dismal performance. I accept we are a lonnng way off being a threatening force but I have no doubt in time we will be just need some chainsaw Al's in management. End of rant.
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read carefully
perhaps an eye on another to come out of contract and simpson will do in the mean time ?Worsfold left- assistance left ,changing of the guards, equals club with no direction
he is not strong enough to stand up to the board and dictate the needs to get the job done , unless you put in the resources then you will fail ,just like the dockers have over the last 18+ years could be wrong but simpson is a one man band and doesnt have the mandate to take a chain saw , the players know it and at the present they are holidaying.
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If he's not strong enough to
If he's not strong enough to stand up to the board then he shouldn't be in the job. I'm talking about the directors to get a hard arse executive in and do some solid recruiting like they used to do when Brian Cook was in charge. I'm sick of seeing the club so limp wristed.
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uhhmmm your right
the cats have had a bit of success since cookie left the eagles and joined the cats haven't they
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WTF as an untried rookie coach
stand up to the board?dictate terms ? see we agree on one thing ! Brian cook
..... not saying i agree with essesendon ,but bomber Thompson was recruited as an assistant ? plenty of other examples ,IMO needs a clean out from the top , sorry out of popcorn LOL
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Not dictate terms, stand up
Not dictate terms, stand up to them and tell them he's the coach and what he needs to get the job done. I'm sure Lyon would've done it at the dorkers, if you let the heirachy meddle in actual football operations then you are a mile behind already. When you fight a war you let your generals on the ground do the planning and fighting not the politicians. Ha ha yep a good clean out in order, just like the Shockers had too when they realised they were going nowhere.
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major/ massive difference
lyon was head hunted and was able to dictate before he accepted , Simpson applied and needed to say all the right words that they wanted to hear
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Yes very true, but he's
Yes very true, but he's still the coach and hopefully not a muppet of the management
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bloody hell
thats it in a nut shell well sumed up
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Nothing like a conspiracy
Nothing like a conspiracy theory on a sun morning. We are the worst fans by far.
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geez the knives are out!
Not being a supporter but wouldnt it be a combination of new Coach and your current list? you have some turn over this year with Glass, Cox and maybe Waters not sure who else? dont know what your draft selection is like but if Lycett wants to go then trade heavy with Port and get some depth- Wellingham over priced recruit of the year but then again we got Sylvia who aint much chop but hey most other clubs have had AFL players spend the rest of their time in the lower leagues getting paid like a MOFO.
Worsfold struggled with them last year too with much the same list, would be good if you had Laidley though I reckon he would be a good fit to help Simpson imo.
What am I saying Freo supporter anyway's...
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Don't forget we traded lynch
Don't forget we traded lynch for wellingham didn't cost us bugger all and look were lynch is now
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No
You traded Wellingham for pick 17.
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Yup poor wording on my
Yup poor wording on my behalf. Free agent. What I meant was we got wellingham pies got lynch all got lost in my rush to buy another pint
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your right bj
bj your correct but bloody hell mate as a melbourne supporter I could have told freo managment Silvia woulntd be a good fit at Freo , dont think they did their due dilligance when they recruited him and will be a pain in their salary cap for another 12 months
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what pain in the salary cap?
what pain in the salary cap? barely a speck ;)
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Give the bloke a chance.
Like mention before Adam had little chance of selecting player list for this year, takes a 1/2 year to see who performs and at what level. With long term injuries and a average second string to pick from bit hard to get a newish game plan cemented in 3/4 of a year. I'm sure Adam has a shopping list with his wants for next year, hope the board supports him so the club can have a better performance over the years to come. Look what the Saints did to Scotty Watters thats how you hang a coach out to dry. A hard preseason is what some of these guys need (body strength and hardness), Adam focused mainly on skills last preseason which did show in the first 1/4 of the season, now when there's more body pressure skill level drops, need to be able to take a bump/contact and still keep control of the ball. By this time next year there will be a indication if what he is planning is working. No good in tanking because GWS and GCS have all the preference picks for the next few years. Heads up boys keep positive and do the best you can that's all we can ask for. Go The Budgies.
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or should it be give the bloke the resources
could be wrong but Adam does not have 1 reputable senior assistant ,personally i think he is way too easy going and is hoping rather than demanding of his players and of the board, does anybody know why scott Burns left the club ?would have thought he should have been in line for the gig , its the faceless men that have the power to pull the strings ,,,,, scotty Watters may or may not have been up for the job but he was hung out to dry.
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Remember when ross the boss
Remember when ross the boss took over at St kilda, it took the players at least half a season to learn the game plan. When he took over at fremantle it took the players half a season to learn the game plan.... remember what they were saying about freo's footy (ugly!).... st kilda and freo both had lists of quality. its taken melbourne half a season to adapt to roos game plan..... what the eagle's faithful have to do, is give simpson an opportunity to get his coaching staff in order and influence the list management, THEN start teaching the game plan....
The start of next year may be ugly, wait and see what type of footy they are playing at season's end....
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I hope you're right randall
I hope you're right randall because the way I see it game plan and tactic wise, nothing's changed.
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nothings changed???, i am
nothings changed???, i am one who has mentioned this before but i have eaten my words lately, ive seen hurn move forward of centre not realy working, darling come up on wing not realy working, moved lecras out of forward line when being out played not working, all of the ruckman on a rotation no not working, mcgovern down back could work but a waste by the looks of his form up forward, having said all that i still see gaff avoiding making tackles getting hard ball maning up on his oponent, brown kicking the ball terrible, wellingham i think can play the game and has an elite kick but cant find the ball himself too small, shuey has pulled his finger out since he coped a serve from simpson and thankfully hill has been dropped
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That's right gilly, why
That's right gilly, why would you bother changing positional players like that? The coach did it in my son's yr 8 team on Sat, put two of the on baller's into the back line and they were like chooks with their head's cut off, didn't have a deffensive clue. But on the ball ball they are super stars. It just seems the Eagles lack any new game plan and major intensity on the ball (probably because we don't have an effective centre?) I'm happy to sit back to wait and see and hope all the experts on here prove me wrong regarding Simpson.
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that's the problem Andy
the game plan hasn't changed probably because the players are not grasping it. I think what Randall says, is right, it's not fair to judge him just yet. Next season we'll see where he is at. I do think that he needs to get a better group of assistants around him though - I mean , take our forward coach for example.
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Would that be an ex docker
Would that be an ex docker coaching the world's greatest forward line? ;) it's not the forward line, it's the delivery.... who's coaching the midfielders?
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Jakovich on 6pr today
Jakovich on 6pr today saying they should get Mark Harvey as a assistant coach .. food for thought
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Yeah I heard that, and
Yeah I heard that, and apparently he's keen to coach. I'd take him in a shot, no rug pulling at the Eag's
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Harvs and laidley as
Harvs and laidley as assistants??? Couldn't get two tougher half back flankers.... good move. Did simpson play under laidley at the roos, or under pagan?
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Not sure, possibly both? He
Not sure, possibly both? He seems old enough.
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neither made it as seniors
neither made it as seniors what makes them good assistants?????
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Harvs was on the right track
Harvs was on the right track at Freo.... Better option came along... laidley never had the behind the scenes support to make it work and proof of that is that neither has brad Scott. Look at some of the other clubs... balme never made it as a coach... football manager at collingwood (????) = success (2010).... bottom line is that Bart has to have the opportunity to put his team in place, that's something that hasn't happened yet. I hope he says to the board at season's end, "I want him, him, and her in the coaches box, and he goes and he goes from the list, and let's get that player that player and that player...".... and then the game plan takes shape. I think that any eagles supporter who expected results this year was expecting way too much....
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harvey on the right track is
harvey on the right track is debatable, laidley was and still is a loose cannon i personally dont want either near my team. i would like to see simpson get rid of rawlings and hickmont however, need to get rid of the dead weight
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Think , I’d feel safer in a
Think , I’d feel safer in a episode of " Games of Thrones" than at the Eagles camp at the moment ..
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i reacon
i reacon Dean Laidley is prowling around for a senior coaching job i rate him he doesnt take no shit
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Ha ha you mean someone that
Ha ha you mean someone that can actually teach the lads to kick straight lol.
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Freo-list-quality-lol
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Far far too often the coach
Far far too often the coach is blamed... for everything... from an outsiders perspective, get the list management sorted, get the coaching support sorted, get on field leadership sorted.... then expect results, and hold EVERYONE accountable....
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always a tough gig coming
always a tough gig coming into the chair after the favourite son leaves it after so many years. I agree he is too passive and doesn't inspire me to jump on the band wagon of the eagles, he's not selling and kind of plan to me at the moment. I reckon they should move on Nisbett too, he's been there a very long time now, CEO's never hang aroudn that long and he's been there for 15 years now. Fresh blood in the boss's chair to invigorate the coaching panel and staff to bring in a game plan to inspire the troops.
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Wow. How quick are we as Eagles supporters to "jump" at the new coach.
Sure I and others expected a lot more. I for one thought top 4. Well history proved me very wrong, but I dont think you can blame the coach for all this.
Now Im not a fan of Simpson and never was. I remember thinking what the hell when we had many other possible senior coaches we could have had. What we DID need was a Mongrel, and I didnt think of the Junk Yard Dog, but that would have been a good idea.
However would have didnt eventuate.
And I dont think you can just dump coaches after one year unless they fail miserably. Simpson failed this year, but not that bad as it could have been. He does deserve another season to install his ideas. Changes dont happen over night.
The Eagles have had stability in their coaching ranks since the early days. Give the man another go, but that would be it. If he doesnt deliver sure boot him.
What we need is 2 fold. 1. Talls that deliver more than they do at the moment. Both keys are to inconsistent. Darling possibly convert to a more onball role. He is quick but possibly not nimble enough.
2. size in the midfield - this has been covered over and over. Pridis is the only one reliable but he isnt a big midfielder, more a down and dirty (ie in the mud) type. What we need is a bust through the pack type. Where we get that is a whole new question.
I hope next year is a better year
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A Melbourne supporter started
A Melbourne supporter started this thread and everyone jumped on the bandwagon.I mean melbourne know all about how to move coaches on dont they.I reckon give the guy a chance ,he is new at the head coach possie ,new to the club etc.Lets just see what he comes up with next year,he looked pretty pissed off after what happened to Cox on the weekend (low dog act ) by the way,but due to AFL restrictions couldnt say much.Bet he will have plenty to say during the week.
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In Simpson’s press conference
In Simpson’s press conference his body language suggests he was going to water to me .. a tough gig , but that why he gets paid the big bucks . “ Lets not talk about that . it’ll deal with itself “ whilst mostly looking down playing with his bit of paper wtf .. that’s not angry it looks as if he was going to do a Kim Hughes .
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Oh yeah Chris that would
Oh yeah Chris that would work mate NOT. I am pretty sure he was pissed off ,if he vented and said what he really wanted to say he would be paying a hefty fine to the AFL. If you need something like that to motivate your team your missing the point,they should already be motivated,he aint paid big bucks to to put on a show for the media. The supporter that went of his head at Vickory was right but should have pulled his head in as well. Like i said give him time to get his game plan sorted out then see.Or just get rid of him like the dorckers did with Harvey eh seems to be the easy solution.
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Paully
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well said Willo
which club can we back door - and steal their coach , for that matter, we'll bypass their manager as well. And people wonder why Harvey wants nothing to do with the Dockers now. To early to make the call on Simo, as has been said several times already.
im also curious as to why Lyon couldn't fire the freo crew up against the Saints, I mean what more motivation do they need, when it came to a ladder spot, but - they just rolled over.
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Now there talking about sin bins
and send off rules - ridiculous idea.