Anchors for the FADS for Jurien

I have been chasing around given prior comments on this site about the cost of anchors for the FADS at Jurien and, by coincidence, had contact with one of our clients arising out of the Brisbane flood.

They have available locally old railway wheels (averaging around 300kgs each) which to me would be ideal for the purpose of securing the fads in position and a damned sight cheaper than anchors.  Whilst I know we are heading into winter we need to plan now for the upcoming season - the wheels cost $375 per tonne (so roughtly 3 to a tonne)

I am prepared to start the ball rolling by putting up an opening stake of $100 toward the cost ............we will need someone with a hyab or similar to be able to collect and transport them to Jurien

If Whitey believes these would be suitable -  How many do we need to secure  as I am sure the avid fisho's on this site will be able to come up with the balance of the cost 

Ball is in your court - my contact at the rail organisation is in Taiwan until next week so can I please get some feedback so I can keep this on the boil 

 

 

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Probably good for fad anchors

Thu, 2011-06-02 16:45

Probably good for fad anchors but might be a bit heavy and cumbersome to get out there. I`m not sure what boat is used to drop the fads but 300 kilos of wheel and chain is gunna need something pretty substantial. A well built anchor weighing maybe a quarter of that will hold better and be easier to deploy I reckon.

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Sunshine, mind if I ask where

Thu, 2011-06-02 16:56

Sunshine, mind if I ask where the railway wheels actually are?

Wouldn't 300kg wheels would be "one shot" anchors? Pretty much got buckleys of getting them back up? That would mean you have to be prepared to too everything: chain, shackles, rope and eventually the float too I guess.

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Located in Kewdale

Thu, 2011-06-02 18:02

I would have thought that a decent commercial craypot winch would easily retreive them remembering always that in sea water they are lighter ........I understand some are up to 40kg lighter ..........depends on which ones we might want

I made the enquiries as commercial anchors are way more expensive and I understood that two were lost this season - at around $100 each (particularly if only one required) they would represent good value and provide an opportunity to install a few more fads 

Whitey would be the person to answer - I don't even target pelagics or those with beaks having caugth them all before - (though I have yet to catch a dolphin fish (mahi mahi) which is on my wishlist) -   I just applied a bit of logic on a suitable alternative to commercial anchors which sell for BIG bucks 

If they aren't suitable I will let him know

 

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Have used a commercial cratpot winch

Tue, 2011-06-14 21:35

On a ally cray boat to retrieve it's anchor when the whindlass shat itself, the winch couldn't lift it, took 3 men working with the pot winch to get it up. I'd say you have buckleys getting it up using this method considering the anchor weighs alot less than these wheels.
Hopefully a boat with a decent tugger is available to get it up, or shallow enough to send a diver down with a lift bag to get it up :)

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Another thought

Thu, 2011-06-02 18:04

And with a cutting torch and a bit of welding you could make two plough anchors out of a single wheel - just cut them in half diagonally ???

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at Tafe

Thu, 2011-06-02 18:41

at tafe we went and picked up three of the fads out the back of rotto..

as we winched them up heaps of barnicles on the rope.. and they used 2 pretty decent size anchors probly the same size as one you would see on a prawn trawler.. a bit of creativity a trip to the metal scrap yard and a welder could be promising... just an idea...??  

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Its about their density v's

Thu, 2011-06-02 18:46

Its about their density v's seawater;
steel is about 8000kg/m^3
water is 1000kg/m^3
wooden is obviously less dense than water, or it would float, no idea about craypots.

If you look at that, even if a craypot was twice as dense as water, it might be like 2000kg/m^3 and thats still only 1/4 of the density. Anyone know what a pro cray pot actually weighs?

Having launched the FADs a couple of times, I'd hate to have to maneuver 175kg objects around on deck. Three 60lb anchors and the chain are bad enough!

Ask Whitey though, its his boat ;)

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 craypot .. wet with metal

Thu, 2011-06-02 23:05

 craypot .. wet with metal bottom + ballast ... 60kg  .. some are a little more 

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Yeah, not really in the same

Fri, 2011-06-03 07:25

Yeah, not really in the same order of pain is it really.

Lets see what Whitey has to say ;)

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let us know

Thu, 2011-06-02 19:09

Let us know if they are suitable then we can look to fundraise, would be pretty cool to have a fishwrecked fad. ;)

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sounds good

Thu, 2011-06-02 19:13

new idea,

put it on the 100m mark off the cape,lol

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Good idea Harro

Thu, 2011-06-02 20:12

your a true ideas man.

I'll just make sure i'm not your decky that day, 175kg anchor

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 Sea Water weighs +/- 8.6ppg.

Thu, 2011-06-02 19:27

 Sea Water weighs +/- 8.6ppg. 1-(8.6/65.5)=  0.87bouyancy factor. If the wheel weighs 330kg in air it will weigh 287kg in the sea water. If it's happening I would be happy to contribute.

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Yep, I'd put my hand in my

Thu, 2011-06-02 19:39

Yep, I'd put my hand in my pocket to support this as well.

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blur

Thu, 2011-06-02 19:40

if its fuggin heavy it wont move, cple engine blocks , lol

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Those wheels are used for moorings all the time

Thu, 2011-06-02 20:06

That's fixed Permanent moorings, not ideal for removing each year unless you have access to a well equipped workboat to recover them.

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Yeah, thats what they use at

Thu, 2011-06-02 20:14

Yeah, thats what they use at Rotto to hold down the sanctuary markers.

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I'm currently working on

Thu, 2011-06-02 20:27

I'm currently working on donations from a big marine company....so maybe hold off on the wheels.  Sure a fund for sundry items could be started though.

Being a big company I have to get hold of the 'right' people...but I'm confident of a result.  The first offer was for a 2 tonne anchor...hmmm, a little too big I told them.

Its great though to see that others are thinking about helping out with the FADS.  I'm sure others have good contacts for gear that could be used for the cause.

Cheers Pete

 

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Rhyss is away, don't suppose

Thu, 2011-06-02 20:29

Rhyss is away, don't suppose anyone remembers what shackle and chain size are used on the FADs?

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 if your still after a few

Thu, 2011-06-02 23:10

 if your still after a few weights i might be able to help .. one of companies in geraldton has been supplied with a heap of newer style weights for moorings and anchoring barges .. and they have a few old style rail wheel types left as far as i know .. might be cheap but transport from gero wont be .. 

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Whitey says its good enough

Fri, 2011-06-03 07:57

Whitey says its good enough ... I might wear steel caps to help launch this year...

If tim-o's mate can give us a couple for free, then I don't mind taking a ute-load of metal up to Jurien.

That way, cash donations can be spent on rope, chain, shackles etc.

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I dont care where my ante' gets used

Fri, 2011-06-03 08:32

Well I am glad that my suggestion got the ball rolling - as I said I'll ante up $100 for use as Whitey deems fit for FAD installation - given we seem to be garnering some support perhaps we can put a few more out - any supported by commercial entities should be named after the organisation and a couple of "Fishwrecked" fads would be brilliant.

 

Adam - how about starting a separate file or topic for this subject ?  

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Hey guys, just got in from

Fri, 2011-06-03 19:26

Hey guys, just got in from fishing, Fantastic idea, the wagon wheels would be fine to anchor FADs and it would be possible to deploy them with my boat, however it would more than likely be sacraficial. It would be an extremally dangerous and allmost impossible to retrieve them onto the deck.

Railway iron would be far better, we can then cut and weld anchors to suit

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 i am sure someone could

Sat, 2011-06-04 20:33

 i am sure someone could donate their Commodore and by the time you need to retrieve the FAD it will have rusted enouge to pull the chain right through the roof .

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might be able to ask a friend

Sat, 2011-06-04 20:56

might be able to ask a friend who is good friends with westrail blokes in bunbury will see what he says might be able to get for good price maybe even free

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im happy to donate my oxy

Sat, 2011-06-04 21:04

im happy to donate my oxy cutting and welding  if it helps

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Fad off the cape wouldnt be

Sat, 2011-06-04 21:06

Fad off the cape wouldnt be that bad either !!

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ok

Sun, 2011-06-05 09:39

Well, before I get a donation thread up and running, can we just see what can be donated in terms of anchors or wagon wheels or any other bits and pieces.  I assume we have some time before the fads are to be deployed, what sort of time frame are we looking at to get this sorted Whitey?  Will also see what Pete can come back with as well.  Looks great guys, we won't let this fall onto the back burner and will keep onto it to get it to happen, a great initiative.

As for a down south FAD, I assume we would need to get some authority to approve them and then a boat that was capable of doing so? 

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Doneski.

Tue, 2011-06-14 09:04

I've got a big 18kg plough anchor I scored off Indiana last year youse can have, and I'm certain the boys at my crane yard have will have some shackles they'll part with, and maybe some chain too.

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Perhaps

Mon, 2011-06-13 21:50

you could ask well respected site sponsor Legend Charters?

i'm sure he'd be more than happy to help.

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spoke to my m8 he is looking

Tue, 2011-06-14 22:06

spoke to my m8 he is looking into wheels still if you want them

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Adam - did you get my email?

Wed, 2011-06-15 18:58

Should have probably sent a pm

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yes - email returned

Thu, 2011-06-16 08:41

Is anyone still keen on organising this?  We really need someone that can do the ringing around. 

Can we get a rough inventory of stuff we will need and then cross them off as we achieve it?

Its difficult for me to do so from Exmouth, but I can try to manage the donation side of things so there is a kitty for the bits and pieces that are needed for whoever wants to take charge of the project.

Cheers,

Adam

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You fully well know that what

Thu, 2011-06-16 15:29

You fully well know that what was up there was correct.

But not to start a holy pissing war on this great forum I took it down.

When you get there we will meet eye to eye.

Looking forward to this, to see if you have the ones that steer your clammy little fingers as a keyboard warrior.

With your nasty PM's and snyde remarks to people you do not know YOU could damage the FAD's progress.

You are not, because you are just who you are and the fishing FAD's are WAY more important.  

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What in whimsical phuckery

Thu, 2011-06-16 15:56

What in whimsical phuckery has taken place here!!!

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i don't know but I reckon

Thu, 2011-06-16 16:28

i don't know but I reckon there should be a set of gloves bought up for the fad deployment!