Boat motor "service"

 Picked up my boat last week after in being in for it's 100 service.  After being unable to start it and investigation this is the condition I found the fuel filter and sparkplugs in.  I would've thought that both the fuel filter and sparkplugs would be replaced.

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Mon, 2018-02-19 06:10

This is why I do these things myself these days, not much QA/QC in this industry

those 2 jobs on my boat 90hp suzi take 10 minutes each

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 Farkenell, did they give you

Mon, 2018-02-19 06:27

 Farkenell, did they give you an itemised list on what was supposedly done on the service? 

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 What did they charge for

Mon, 2018-02-19 06:57

 What did they charge for that ? 

Mabee they forgot to do the service 

 

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Name and shame

Mon, 2018-02-19 07:16

 no good

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Mon, 2018-02-19 09:17

Love to know who did it as I am looking at getting my new acquisition serviced for the first time.
Heading north with it in April & don't wanna leave anything to chance......
Work, or lack of in this case, could leave you in a predicament that you shouldn't be in.

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Surely

Mon, 2018-02-19 07:30

Jokeing?

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 Give us a clue at least who

Mon, 2018-02-19 07:48

 Give us a clue at least who done this or should I say didn't do the service?

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That’s shit

Mon, 2018-02-19 08:01

Looks like you’re the poor dude who got “ serviced “ . I’d be asking questions , naming and shaming ( if appropriate ) Then learning how to do it yourself. Changing plugs and filters is easy , then again so is replacing impellers and gear case oil . The only time my donk goes to my mechanic is for carby cleaning and synchronisation , because I’d well and truly make a dogs breakfast of that one . 

Its a shame to see stuff like this happen.

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 Definatly Name and shame the

Mon, 2018-02-19 08:45

 Definatly Name and shame the dealer/ Mechanic so others dont get ripped off by the theiving buggers!

 

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 Ripped off on that one! Easy

Mon, 2018-02-19 09:29

 Ripped off on that one! Easy stuff to change and the very minimun for a 100hr service. If they didn't do those two things then they didn't do anything but take your money.

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I took the boat back this

Mon, 2018-02-19 10:16

I took the boat back this morning and all components were replaced without argument so I don't really want to name and shame as he did the right thing.  Although something else popped up that was a matter of concern (and should have been picked up during the service), one of the thermostat housings has a small crack in it that needs replacing (this is why there was a bit of salt residue on the sparkplugs).  

Although he does done the right thing I certainly won't be going back again and I suggest anyone getting their boat serviced have a quick squiz before leaving their workshop just to be on the safe side

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 My mechanic leaves behind

Mon, 2018-02-19 10:42

 My mechanic leaves behind all the old parts he's changed out as proof of work. 

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Maybe I'm being over suspicious, but .......

Mon, 2018-02-19 13:22

 Do you take the parts with you or do you leave them behind so that he can possibly use them for someone elses service?

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 He does the service at my

Mon, 2018-02-19 21:23

 He does the service at my place mate.

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Sounds like Jonny

Tue, 2018-02-20 12:57

Sounds like Jonny

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SO WAS IT OR WASN'T IT?

Wed, 2018-03-14 17:31

Was this Jonny - who has been recommended by various members on this forum in the past? 

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My reference to Jonny was in

Wed, 2018-03-14 22:40

My reference to Jonny was in regard to Seakem's comment about leaving the parts taken out to show you he's done it and nothing to do with the original post. I've been using Jonny for my last two services and to install a through hull fitting and have been very happy with his work and customer service.

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WAS IT OR WASN'T IT....

Thu, 2018-03-15 06:13

I appreciate the prompt reply and clarification.

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 This is the 4th time I've

Mon, 2018-02-19 10:50

 This is the 4th time I've had a motor serviced there and in the past has always left the replaced parts in a box in the boat.  I don't know what went wrong this time around but I was rather annoyed yesterday, given the weather conditions.  But I'm certainly on the lookout for a new mechanic now

 

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Thats no good mate I would recommend

Mon, 2018-02-19 11:24

 I would recommend Mick from Marine Masters 0438 903 945. He is mobile and came out to my house to service my 150 4 stroke Yamaha recently.

He took pictures of the step by step process and sent the pictures to me detailing the service. Also plugs in his laptop for a full diagnostic and leaves all replaced items behind for you to inspect.

Good price to.

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how recent please ?

Tue, 2018-02-20 12:51

 as myself and few others are regular customers of micks and have had no luck in getting hold of him over past 3 -4 weeks

 

left many mesages and txts, no reply

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Just recently

Tue, 2018-02-20 13:10

8th of Feb he came out to my house to service my yammy. When I rang him he was booked up for about a week and half at the time.

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 Became the norm for me a few

Tue, 2018-02-20 23:00

 Became the norm for me a few years ago too. Do it myself now 

Top mechanic, shocking at answering or returning phone calls and texts.....

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I taught myself how to do a

Mon, 2018-02-19 12:41

I taught myself how to do a general service and do it myself.  Did my 75hp honda 4 stroke last weekend.  Parts cost $258.  And took me no more than three hours i reckon.  That included

Spark plugs

Oil and filter

Fuel filter (in the motor)

Gear case oil and bung o rings

Water pump impellor

 

I didnt change out the in line fuel filter as the fuel in the bowl is still clean of any foreign material.

 

Anything else goes to the mechanic.

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sugar...

Mon, 2018-02-19 20:05

 looks like my boat after 2 years sitting

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Good end

Mon, 2018-02-19 21:51

Do your own, and good onya for dealing with it correctly. It happens a bit.( things getting missed) apparenty. I used an engraver on plugs , filters ect. I had to take new motor in for first service. Few years back to a dealer. Got charged for full service.apparently.pitty my little mark was on all plugs, and filters.i only ended up paying for oils. Done it myself from that day forward.

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 Every dealer i have used has

Tue, 2018-02-20 12:59

 Every dealer i have used has never given back the parts when i have had my Yamaha serviced. I recently used Ross's mobile marine to service my engine and he listed everything on the invoice he replaced and left all parts he changed behind. Can definitely recommend him. 

 

I have also recently used a mobile trailer guy to do my bearings and check brakes https://www.westcoasttrailerandcaravanservices.com.au/ and he left all parts behind as well.

 

Definitely my new go to people for servicing.

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 Thanks for the tip, have

Wed, 2018-02-21 05:00

 Thanks for the tip, have added his facebook page to my bookmarks so I know how to get hold of him next service

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 Good you found the

Wed, 2018-02-21 14:34

 Good you found the thermostat housing problem. My cowl comes off after every couple of trips out to have a look around & check for salt water ingress or leaks. Clean & spray with inbox or equivalent. I don't think the plugs need changing every 100 hours depending on the motor, but obviously would if they looked like that. Inline fuel filters should go more than 100 hours too & minor surface rust wouldn't affect operation. I do mine myself and I find corrosion is the main problem I'm looking for especially around the thermostat.housing and lower leg. I like the fact that some guys leave parts replaced & I would stipulate it. 

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 The surface rust on the fuel

Wed, 2018-02-21 20:36

 The surface rust on the fuel filter didn't concern me as such, it was just proof that the filter hadn't been replaced as was stipulated on the parework.  Personally I would rather have both the plugs and filter replaced every 100 hour service (especially the fuel filter, I wouldn't trust one to go 200 hours).  As for the sparkplugs they're not super expensive ones and as it's a two stroke motor I'd rather have them replaced as well every 100 hours.

Maybe I'm being paranoid but I'd rather have those components replaced as the minor cost involved certainly beats having to be towed back in (especially as I volunteer at the Cockburn Sea Rescue)

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 Do it myself and noone else

Wed, 2018-02-21 17:39

 Do it myself and noone else to cry to if theres a breakdown.

Did he give an explanation of what went wrong?
If not Id be suspicious of either a failure of his system or his lazy mechanic?

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 He did try to tell me that

Wed, 2018-02-21 20:30

 He did try to tell me that it was done by one of his mechanics because the paperwork said it had been done.  He soon back peddeled and couldn't grovel enough once I asked him to explain why there was still rust on the fuel filter.

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What

Wed, 2018-02-21 20:36

Area you in big Mick, all this sounds very familiar??????.

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I get my boat serviced

Wed, 2018-02-21 19:58

I get my boat serviced religiously every year before our annual trip to Exmouth, and the bullshit quality of servicing nowadays is why I always take for a good run after the service and before we leave for up north. The last two years I’ve had mates get their boat back from a service with 1) no impeller put back in!!! And 2) without the bolts being tightened on the carby meaning fuel leaked everywhere when he launched and started the motor at coral bay. Nearly spoilt the trip until we figured it out. My current motor needs to be serviced by the dealer or authorised mechanic to get the extended warranty but as soon as it’s out of warranty then I’ll be doing it myself as it’s piss easy and at nearly$1000 a service to a mechanic is just robbery-over it!!!

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 Name the dickhead. He could

Wed, 2018-02-21 22:13

 Name the dickhead.

 

He could cost a life one day, weed the fucking rip off wankers out....

 

 

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 So does anyone know where I

Wed, 2018-02-21 22:18

 So does anyone know where I can get some info on doing my own DF90 service? I watched a couple of youtube clips on changing the impellor, looks fairly straight forward apart from the retensioning of the leg bolts. That's the kind of info I'm after. Oil change etc, which filters to change out etc.

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Copy & Paste Link...

Wed, 2018-02-21 22:36

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/837067/Suzuki-Df-90.html#manual
You can print these out too if you have access to a large (work) printer

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 You can buy the workshop

Wed, 2018-02-21 23:04

 You can buy the workshop manual online for about $10

But honestly there is nothing to changing the impellor on one other than if the bolts holding the water pump in snap and need a helicoil.

I have (had?) a manual for my DF115's but looks like my hard drive is corrupted as I cant locate it to give you.

When removing the leg, put it in gear and tilt outboard at about 45 deg or more.

  • Remove the trim tab 
  • Remove the 6 bolts (14mm head) holding leg on
  • Lower gearcase about an inch so you can unplug the pitot tube at the front
  • Remove gearcase, sliding the driveshaft and shift shaft out
  • Undo the 4 or 6 bolts holding the water pump cover on and slide up the shaft
  • Slide the impellor up the shaft noting itll only go on one way
  • Dont lose the woodruff key.

Assembly is opposite, noting

  • when you slide the gearcase up turn the prop back and forth to engae the spline
  • Watch that the shift shaft also lines up as it can miss the hole, you can see it thru a small gap just under the powerhead and align with screw driver tip
  • Dont force case on with bolts, if the flanges wont come close something is out of line.

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/837067/Suzuki-Df-90.html#manual

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And a tip:When reassembling

Thu, 2018-02-22 06:55

And a tip:

When reassembling the water pump, it makes it easier if you smear a bit of dishwashing detergent over the impeller, then as you are sliding the pump housing into place, rotate the drive shaft CLOCKWISE (looking down the shaft towards the g/box). Housing should slide into place with the impeller vanes laying the correct way.

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 Thanks Fellas, muchly

Thu, 2018-02-22 05:26

 Thanks Fellas, muchly appreciated, sorry for the thread hijack Bigmick just saved starting a new one.

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 And thats pretty mutch the

Thu, 2018-02-22 11:22

 And thats pretty mutch the same if its a 5HP  or a 115HP, 2 stroke or 4 stroke any flavour Merc, Yam , Suz ect. I would only add smere some grease on the bolts before you put them  back and buy a $20 oil pump to refill the leg ( well worth it). One other thing it doesnt take much effort to pull your anodes that are placed around the block, give them a clean with a wire brush or replace and check the corrosion on the inside of your block. 

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 So are you tightening the

Thu, 2018-02-22 13:51

 So are you tightening the leg bolts to a predetermined tension or just snug tightening them?

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 Some you wont get a torque

Thu, 2018-02-22 16:05

 Some you wont get a torque wrench on anyway.
But if you do one with a torque wrench you can do them similar with a ringy.

Water pump bolts are the ones to be careful of, notorious for snapping.

Worse the longer you leave it.
If it happened just fit a helicoil and its better than original

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Similar experience

Thu, 2018-03-15 09:10

Had a very similar experience very recently with a marine mechanic SOR. Difference being this guy was tasked with checking out a "check engine light" and when I got the boat back the electronics weren't working anymore! The wiring behind the dash was so f*&^ed by what he had done that I spent another $1000 to get it fixed by someone else. None of the guages worked after I got the boat back and his comment was "they will probably start working once you put the boat in the water". That was the moment when I went "oh sh!t I  actually let this guy work on my boat"   Plus he did a service and charged me $840 for it. I did not even ask for it to be serviced.

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