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 and quicker retrevals to drop a driver off, then wait in the queue to get your boat. I do it all the time but do ask ppl infront of me if they are dropping anyone off 1st.

I believe it is std practice over in the east.

Thats why it is handy to have a decky who can back up a trailer or drive a boat.

Look for which boat was last in line or which you followed in the marina and you wait until they have retrieved and you go after them. You shouldnt just drive past everyone, drop your driver off, head back out into the masses and go to retrieve when your driver is ready with the trailer. IMO!! Unless you want to have a go at the right hand side there. I was there at 4pm and probably floated about for what felt like close to an hour in the marina!

I think he means once you drop your driver off you dont have to wait in the floating queue, he tried coming in when his mate on land with the trailer was next in line, which meant he's jumped in front of about 10 boats waiting! I have no problem with dropping a driver off if you put your boat back in the queue.

The boat queue should determine the retrieval order. 

Pretty simple.

Which ever boat you are behind when you first get to the queue is the boat you should follow onto your trailer. Dropping your deckie off and him running up and driving the trailr down first does NOT mean you should jump the queue........

At Hillaries, you can wait your turn to park your boat on one of the 4 retrieve lane jetties, gt off and get your car and trailer and still be ready to reverse back in to get your boat well before the bloke before you has gotten his boat out, so no need for dropping someone off early so he can get the trailer....

Not sure at 2 Rocks, but always follow the boat in front of you and all will be well.

I am a little confused with the above.

So what you guys are saying is that the order of being pulled out depends on the boats lined up at the jetty?? Surely it would be smarter that the order be determined by the cars lined up waiting to use the ramp.

For instance lets say I am at Leuwin ramp and a boat pulls up before me to the ramp. Both our deckies walk to the cars but my car is closer or my decki is a fast walker and my car is at the ramp before the other car. Surely if my car is lined up the ramp ready before the other car then I should be going first.

I use this example as this must happen alot right? we pull out of cockburn all of the time and usually their is a line up of cars to get to the ramp. Fair enough there is usually a line up of boats but you arent going anywhere if your boat is at the front of its line but your car is at the back of its respective line.

Personally I prefer to drop off a decki to get the car and go sit the boat in the middle of the water so I can start cleaning up and getting everything ready without having to worry about the boat chafing on the jetty or tying up. In saying that though I am a lazy fisherman who is usually up too late or back to early to worry about big lines at the ramp.

I might be wrong but I honestly would have thought the cars lined up would determine order on who goes out first. I am a queenslander and we tend to do somethings backwards though. Let me know if I am wrong.
 

On a side note, I could forgive a guy pulling in front of me to pull his boat out, I can not say myself or any of the boys I am usually with would be so forgiving to a guy calling me a dickhead and wanker from across a boat ramp.

Boat order, not car order. Seems pretty logical and ZERO room for argument. The whole car order thing is a fight waiting to happen.

The cars and trailers that have reversed down the ramp detemine who loads up first IMO, its fast and efficent, it does not matter when the boats have arrived in the Marina.

Just saw Johns reply,,guy can't start his car,guys lost his car keys,someones stolen his winch,got a flat tire,parked a lonmg way away,does everybody stand around holding there dicks for half an hour caused he arrived a few minutes before you and the guy getting the trailer does not know what cars and trailers the other 10 are driving who does he wait for and who does he let in front ?

 Has to be the trailers that determine the queue.

People dick around at the ramps long enough without having everyone queuing up on the water, waiting to drop their driver off when a space on the jetty comes available. Everyone then has to wait for the person to walk to their car and get it down the ramp. Slows everything up. IMO.

Seriously, the most efficient way to do it is when you come in, drop your driver off at the jetty, back up, get out of the way and wait until your trailer comes down the ramp.

There is no confusion then about who is next. If everyone does the same thing, then there is no way the line can be stuffed up, unless someone wants to pull up and tie off on the jetty and wait for their car, which is what some people do.

The only boats that should be on the jetty are the ones about to get out of the water, no the ones sitting around waiting for their driver. Unless the skipper is on his own, that then becomes a different situation.

That is my two cents. I'm sure that most of us would be able to work it out either way on the day, but there is always one or two numpties that think they dont have to queue for anything and that their special. 

All well and good if the other person with you can reverse a trailer. I mostly have my wife with me and could not imagine the carnage she would cause trying to reverse the trialer. Leaves me with no choice but to pull the boat up and get the car myself, so, how do we fit in in the trailer first theory??

Fark, with such opposite views on this, no wonder there is ramp rage!!!!!

I think maybe the council should put up an etiquette sign, one way or the other, I don't care which, so everyone at least knows what the "rule" is.

These issues are the reason I dont put the boat in on the weekend, gotta luv being a shift worker sometimes. Common sense and common curtousy are in short supply these days. Nil education for the new punters, should be part of the skippers ticket, and angry nobs every where. I get enough agro and violence at work and definately dont need it when I go fishing. Relax, be courteous and patient and it will work itself out. If your new at it Aaronc just have a look at what others are doing and you will soon sort out who the good operators are and who the nobs are, or just use the multiple lane ramps, which are clearly marked launch/ retrieve until you get the hang of it. 

Definetely boat order.  Not everyone can drop a deckie off to get the trailer.  What if there is know deckie?

We have had idiots waiting in the reversing bays for their boats to come in when the boat isn't even in sight.  I'm guessing the crew rings someone at home to come and get them as they getting closer to the marina?

And seriously, by the time the boat or 2 in front of you have retrieved their boat/s, you should have plenty of time to fetch your trailer.

Most of the delays I see at ramps aren't people fetching their trailers but getting their boats onto their trailers.  And most of the time that is caused by people sinking their trailers too deep and then the boat floats off centre when retriveng so they have to let it back out and try again.....and again.....and again!!!!!   I have a solution - don't drop your trailer so deep in the water!

End of story, Thats why you got a serve.

 Hahahahah Great to read so many differing views here's one for you.

A couple of years ago, Coming into Hillarys I noticed a boat a bit low in the water just outside the groyne,  everyone else was just passing by, so I went over and asked if they needed help,

"yeah mate were taking a bit of water", having a look I noticed that he'd cracked his transom and was in a bit of strife so i hitched him up and towed him in getting inside the marina I took him along side my boat and we slowly went into the ramp.

There was a large number of boats at the ramp waiting to retreive, however this was a bit tricky so I manouvered our boats(remembering he's now strapped to my port side) bypassed all the queue and got him to the ramp/ jettys and shallow water.

It was pretty clear he was in trouble.

At least if he sank now, he should be able to get the thing onto the trailer.

I unhitched him got him secured to the jetty and whilst going back out to JOIN the queue had some ignorant flat headed boaties abusing me and my son.... for .......... JUMPING THE QUEUE.

So I told them the situation told them very clearly to get a life, grow up and to remove their head from the dark place they had it inserted.

No;..... I'm afraid common sense is dead, and courtesy at the ramps is dead.

Perhaps the people trying to launch or retrieve their boats are under pressure, they are unsure of the system and a bit of a helping hand or offer of help would go a long way. Not some moron screaming abuse at you.

Not very Australian is it?

First back to the ramp retrieves first.

The only way it will work.

Two rocks is a disgrace- no wonder arguments start at that ramp.

I'm surprised at the amount of people who have overlooked the fact that everything would flow smoother if everyone chipped in a bit around the ramp whilst they're waiting (I don't mean the skippers out in the marina waiting to trailer up) instead of gawking at each other and getting furstrated whilst they wait.

All this talk about car versus boat order is garbage! How about instead of abusing each other when it all falls apart, everyone just use that age old proven method of civil conversation when someone's about to load up and say "hey mate, do you need a hand?"

I thought we are all part of a fishing community?

The two rocks ramp can be shocking at times. I think you need to be flexible and assess the situation. I will probably cop some flack for this but when I launch and retrieve at two rocks during peak times I generally don’t have a problem. People there seem to only want to use the left hand side of the ramp with the jetty. If your doing a solo launch I can understand this but if your not I don’t know why. I will always approach the people ahead of me in the cue whether in launching or retrieving and ask them if they mind me jumping ahead of them and using the right hand side of the ramp that isn’t being used and 9 times out of 10 people are happy for me to go ahead. I suppose it comes down to whatever your comfortable with or used to.  Be flexible, adapt to the situation and be patient. If someone can get their boat in or out quicker by utilising the unused part of the ramp it speeds the process up for everyone.

Has to be boat order.

What if my old man is taking my mother out for a fish, however she cant reverse the car down the ramp, so he has to pull up to the jetty and jump out and do.

Yes i know its slower, but not everyone is as skilled in both driving boats and cars. Patience is definitely needed. I probably would have said something to you too  mate if i were any of the boats infront.

I agree with what someone else said above, maybe there hsould be some sort of sign detailing the rules of launching and retrieving, especially at two rocks.

And on that note, Exmouth is no different!, bundegi ramp is single lane, the only advantage to exmouth is your allowed to drive on, so for me its less than 1 minute and im out of the water.

Was at two rocks on Sunday and got an absolute serve from one of the old blokes collecting the parking money, because he said he saw my boat there on Sunday and i drove on the trailer..(I've never driven on at two rocks, and i definitely was not there on Saturday), i gave it back to him just as hard!

on the subject of two rocks, apparently there is either a 2 tonne or 2.5 tonne boat limit on the ramp?? anyone know about this? (from the same old bloke who piped up about me driving on the day before when i was never there!)

 If you drop a decky off to go get your car&trailer, then back away from the jetty, drive your boat on when the trailer arrives, you'll still not taking up any jetty space. Meanwhile there could be 2 or 3 retrieve lanes free waiting for a car. Wouldn't it be more efficient if the car lanes were full instead of the marina and jetty choked?

If I'm by myself or with a decky that can't drive a boat or back up a trailer, them I am more than happy to wait till a free space at the jetty is availble. If ppl drop their crew off infront of me, well then good on them for having someone that can back up a trailer. At the end of the day I still get that same jetty spot when its availble

I say boat order, as i do fish a lot of the time by myself...so i have no decky to drop off and push in. As other guys have mentioned. You have plenty of time at Hillarys, to tie your boat on the finger and get your trailer to the ramp. We cant merge on a freeway, so it dosnt suprise me we have trouble at a boat ramp!

this frustrates me, just because youve dropped off a bloke doesnt give you the right to drive past everyone in front of you! get in the boat que

I still struggle with the logic of boat order.

Even if you are on your own surely it is a case of rock up to the ramp, tie up the boat, get your car and wait in the cue. Once the cars in front of you are cleared you go and retrieve.

If you work on trailer order it should theoretically flow quicker. If you are working on boat order your boat could be at the front of the jetty and your car a mile off meaning that ramp is not being used efficiently.

I definetely dont agree with people phoning ahead and clogging up the ramp by having their cars wait in the bay for the boat to turn up. Thats just plain stupid. Same can be said though if we are working on boat theory: if Joe Bloggs takes his time getting to the car, says goodbye to the deckies who came with and starts splitting fuel money etc etc. All the while the boat is at the front of the que waiting with other boats behind him thinking "I got a snorkel mask on board, I could swim over there and pull his bung and he would never know it was me".

My issue with trailer order is that if you look at ramps such as Woodsman point the area that the cars wait for boats is a mile away from the ramp and I dont think it would be visible to the car driver when the boat is at the front of the que or not.

I would tend to agree with JohnF in that it ultimately doesnt matter which way we go so long as it is an established rule that is marked. It is a bit rough to abuse a guy because he has a different theory of how it works if there is no rule marked there.

 

 one of those eternal arguements. looks like efficiency doesnt come into it !

If you've got a missus that goes boating with you all the time, take the time to teach them how to reverse a trailer. i did with mine, just a matter of discipline really !!!!!

 Has to be order of trailer. To many people just take their time piss farting around and not caring about anyone else wanting to use the ramp. It's easier, quicker and more efficient to go by trailer order.

So if some lone bloke is third in line, then 10 boats cruise in and drop drivers off, all those ten boats get to go in front of the poor bloke third in line? Come off it.. it's got to be boat order.

And while all these people are trying to pull their boats out another chap comes along and wants to launch his boat, what happens then? Does he have to wait his turn for those in boats waiting or for trailers lined up or just jump in front and stuff everybody?

That is what happens regularly at Two Rocks when late comers want to nip out and check their pots and only the one jetty/ 2 lanes [one of which is rarely used!]

Lets compare it too a drive thru. Lets say Hungry Jacks.

The person in front maybe getting a huge order. Your getting a cheeseburger. Clearly if you were in front you would be well gone and 10 minutes away by the time the person in front of you get their order. However you wait in line because inevitably you will get what you want with patience. It's not like you expect to have your turn first just because it will be quicker and more effiecent. First boat in, first boat served.This way cars will only be retrieved as boats are berthed minimising carpark chaos and the mad rush of boats to get their deckie too the car first. Some more tolerance too the elderly, the novices and one manned boats because not everyone wants to drop a deckie off until they are berthed. Remember one day your were or will be the forementioned. Its a system EVERYONE can deal with.

Maybe they should split all boat ramps up too make everyone happy. Half can be "BOAT FIRST" and half can be "CAR FIRST". This would eradicate alot of tension.

For mine though, boat order as everyone has too and eventually does need too use the jetty and with a couple of boats in front there is heaps of time to retrieve the car without holding up people.

never heard of it ...I could see a few blues happening over that..if it's busy wait like everyone else ,when it's time to dock someone gets off gets the trailer 2/3min others move boat up que too easy ....by the time other boats in front have retrieved your trailer is ready to go whats the big deal ...IMO it would be logical way and should be the etiquette to follow ...majority of people do the righty and get on with it , if not give em the look hopefully next time they'll pull their finger out ...if a blokes on his own people should give him a hand ... the majority would follow Boat Order  ...

The first two threads I posted above seem to be fairly in the trailer order camp, this one seems boat order. Maybe Adam can set up a poll on the front page?

Well thanks for the opinions boys but i am now even more confused than before.

Seems to have a very spilt decission!!

I agree with the no drive on rule, good to know. I think i agree with the trailer rule more though. i can undersand the issues with both opinions. It is great to use these forums to get fisho's opinions as we are all in the same boat. I will just be a little more careful next time but be prepared to get back as good as you give from now on!!!!! I wont take that abuse on the chin next time as i now know there is no definite rule.

Cheers

Pale ale you numbnut he hasnt been able to get to the jetty to even get his trailer because 10 wankers think they can drop their driver off and bring their trailer down and retrieve before he even gets a chance to berth to the jetty cos now there are 10 wankers already on land ready with their trailers so those on the 10 boats think they get to retrieve before he does. All cos he doesnt have the capacity to drop a driver off, instead he has to float around waiting to get on the jetty. He should dock up and make those 10 trailers wait their turn until he is finished. He was first in the marina, he is first out, simple.

AaronC if you did what you did to me i'd give you a gob full too

You want people floating around on the water holding their dicks and not getting organised until their able to berth their boat at the jetty ? Fair suck of the sav. How about using that time, if you have a deckie, to drop them off and get organised. I said before, if a bloke is on his own or he has someone that cant do anything, then he has no option but to pull up on the jetty. He should be doing that when when he gets the opportunity to and he should know who he is in front of. If we cant make both situations work between us then some of us shouldnt be taking boats out on the water ! Its not hard. If i'm driving on, my trailer will be in the water and the boat out in about one minute. And as for this no drive on crap. I'll be doing it whenever i can. Its more efficient and i dont have to come up against some of those crappy jettys that are around. Just because i'm driving on, doesnt mean i'm giving full throttle to get up. If i'm spending the money on the gear, i'm gonna use it.......

Of course he knows who was front of him, problem is a bunch of blokes just pushed in cos they dropped their deckie off so theur trailers are already being backed in before he's had a chance to dock. I use the winch and i dont take any longer than drive ons, drive on winch on isnt the arguement here anyway, its blokes dropping deckies off and retrieving ahead of the floating queue whether they drive on or winch on they've still pushed in. As for two rocks marina which is where all this all started at, i have no problem if you drive on the right side cos i'm not going to retrieve there, but if you drop a bloke off then use the jetty side ahead of those already waiting you are a knob in my opinion!

Surely the "no drive on" rule applies only to the situation of guys who power their boat hard right up onto the trailer rather than winch right??

The quickest way for us to pull out is to dunk the trailer and drive the boat slowly up to the trailer, hook up the winch (keeping the engine in forward to hold the boat) and then winching the boat the rest of the way. Are the guys suggesting no driving on saying we should be docking and then manually pulling the boat up to the trailer and winching?? cause that just seems excessively hard. There is no way in hell less then 3 people could control our boat with a decent wind blowing.

sitting down for a half hour at a boat ramp So many tools with no idea no order whatsoever this is an unwinnable argument there is truth to both sides of the argument its a thread that could go on forever with no winner in the end if you want to take your boat out when its busy be prepared for a fight because there is no order at a boat ramp and why because our fucked up government and councils are to tight to give us some decent facilities except for ocean reef anyway its everyman for himself fellas good luck

 in all honesty i dont think this arguement will ever be over and done with. it seems about 50 50 with boat or trailor first. why dont we just agree to dissagree. were getting nowhere fast. JMO

 It's simple trailer first. If a guy is by himself or with his kids hook a brother up and let him in, it feels good and karma will flow your way. Otherwise if you have issues with your launch/retrieve techniques be prepared to wait. 

Two rocks is a shit of a place Ok I come in the marina and there is 20 boats waiting to come out I hang in line and watch if anyone is using the none jetty side.I will also ask if They are using the jetty or not .most times I drop a crew member of and come down the none jetty side 15 boats in front of my boat order,why is this so bad that I am jumping the line as others don't have the right trailer or the skills to bring a boat into a trailer in all conditions.If you launch at two rocks and can't use the none jetty side then you should not be pissed at the people that can,You don't need to drive on just bring the boat in and have the deckie grab the front and Gide it onto the trailer and hook the winch cable on not rocket science.I watch people mess around for ages somedays just trying to get alongside the jetty and then struggle the get the boat on the trailer sorry I'm not waiting for these clowns.and nor should you.

With that Paul, But the original post he is dropping off deckie then jumping the que on jetty...That jetty at two rocks fits 2 boats while the front boat is getting his boat on trailer the rear boat has plenty of time ot get his trailer to the ramp. the only problem is the people that dont move their boats forward once they are on the jetty....

i am a bit surprised that there is no set rules for this situation in this day and age, as there are rules and laws for friggin everything else. i reckon it doesnt matter what is more efficient, all it needs is a set rule for each ramp so no one gets abused cos of different individual views.

all it needs it another sign along with the other hundred.

planning to get a trailable boat myself as mine is penned at freo and really keen to try the northen grounds, so hoping this thread would be useful.

happy fishing

Hey Paul you're not jumping any queues cos generally no one is using that side, so there is no line there, lucky for you to be able to utilise side! Everyone is usually waiting for the jetty, people are only jumping the queue when they drop someone off and then want the jetty when their car/trailer is ready ahead of all the boats waiting.

Spinksy add to that the never been on the mates boat before deckies who tie the boat up midjetty after launching not allowing the next boat to slip in while the owner goes and parks his car...aaaaarrgghh!!!!!

Doesnt happen south of the river. The bloke in the boat ahead of you normally has a cold beer waiting for you (not light its against the rules) then he sends his wifes best mate who has to be a stunner wearing a bikini ( naked ok to ) to get your vehicle and reverses it down the ramp. You do have to wind the winch, but we are working on that. Seems to be much more civilised down this way.

Hahaha hooty. North vs Soth......fark, this could get serious!!!

Agree withPaul G, nothing wrong with someone getting their boat out early if they are not jumping the jetty queue, its just the blokes who wants to jump the jetty queue by dropping his deckie off that gives everyone this shits I think.

At Hillarys, maybe it would make sense that it is boat order for the 2 retrieve only lanes and 2 retrieve and launch lanes, and trailer only drive on only (ie: very quick out) for the one of the launch only lanes, this would only need one sign change and would still leave one dedicated lane for launch only for the puner wanting to go out for an arvo toodle.  

Comments? If its deemed a good idea, we could call up the council and ask them if it could be chnaged. All you have to do is use the "safety" angle and it would be a goer....haha.

No boat yet. Just reading the post shows what's lacking in WA. Respect for fellow man. If boats 1 & 2 dropped of deckies to get their rig while they pulled out into a holding pattern. Boat three then pulls up solo ties up to get his rig.boat 3 would have right of way. But it would be his responsibility to make sure he wastes little time getting his rig into the water ie no piss stop etc. Instead of bitching and moaning. Lend a hand. Back to deckie 1&2. 1 takes longer to get the trailer down to the water. Must 2 stop blocking up the access road as well as leaving his skipper to clog up the bay. I think not skippers should be gracious enough to allow boat 2 to retrieve. If a later comer wants to launch and he is ready to do so before 1&2 arrive at the ramp then let him. Instead of yelling abuse. What happened to friendly banter and bragging who caught the most/biggest for the day and helping a fellow fisho. Unfortunately it's looks like its the Aussie way as you see it everywhere in society today in shops on the roads.having recently migrated to Western Australia it was a real eye opener to see the total lack of respect and disregard for fellow man.PS any law against driving your boat onto your trailer. Seems a safer option the slipping on a wet ramp/trailer

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The beauty of ally boats, try and push in front and your will have white powder floating in the water...

more ramps should be built. problem solved.

Not sure how far they have got with the forward planning for a new marina at Two Rocks but years back there was a proposal to put another wall out from near the boat ramp straight out then north more than doubling the original one.

Knowing how the owners don't like spending a cent unless dragged over a barrel I cannot see it happening for another ten years at least.

 NOT trailer first.bloody pushing in like an asylum seeker. wait your turn be patient. if its busy hang off a bit.

drop off ya dekie to get the car then put ya boat on the trailer makes it easy and quick if every one does this it will be in order of how every one gets the car aaron c i reakon ya did the right thing ay

 so its bad luck then for the solo retriever then.i might move up to two rocks and time it just right with my 3 year old who has to be carried to the car, whilst leaving 8 yr old daughter in charge of the ropes and patiently wait for an opening in the trailer line,all the while holding up the jetty,causing more chaos. BOAT ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The right courteous thing to do is in order of boats, but the smart common sense and quickest thing to do is also slip into car/trailer order also.

This reminds me of the old days at Warwick licensing center.

You would have two line, the people who got there first in there cars they would be served first. BUT there was another line for those who paid first. Best part is the inspectors couldn't start work until the people at the front of the line had the receipt and if they were at the back of the second line everyone stood around doing nothing..

Often i would step in and play organiser and ask for people at the front of the car queue to the front of the payment Que and we'd all get going much faster.

Its common sense and we know were that sits in today's society..

I am often out launching and retrieving on my own and I prefer trailer order.

It is simple. I stop at the jetty (or beach pending on the ramp), I tie up and I go get my car. When I am at the front of the car que I dunk the trailer, grab the boat and drive it on.

If I am with a deckie I drop him/her off and go wait out on the water preparing the boat for transport and sorting out all the gear.
 

The above suggestion of waiting till your boat is at the front of the queue and then going to get your car is exactly why our ramps are so overloaded. I would be pretty flipping peeved if some guy in front of me did that regardless of whether he got to the marina first or not. We dont need more money or bigger facilities, we just need to learn to use the existing ones better.

I think it is a fair arguement that if you are at the ramp, regardless of whatever order is decided it is good practice that if your car is not ready then you let the person behind go in front if they are ready.

What about this situation -

I pull up at the jetty on my own, tie the boat up then go and get my car.

But almost at the same time, another boat pulls up behind me and drops off his deckie.

I'm parked further away and deckie is faster to get to his car and get to the reversing bay/ramp by about 10 seconds.  This is after he has to wait for the boat in front of me to get on the trailer and drive off (which was my point earlier on - that even if you drop a deckie off, you normally always have to wait for the boat in front of you to be retrieved and get out the way anyway).

How does he get pass my boat on the jetty and on to his trailer bearing in mind that with boats opposite ours on the other jetty, there isn't a whole lot of room?

Or he could just wait his turn and let me in first and wait an extra 5 minutes while I retrieve my boat?  I'm sure an extra 5 minutes isn't going to hurt anyone considering they've probably been out fishing all day long?  I don't understand why it's so hard to pull up behind the boat in front of you and wait your turn?  JMO.

yer so if i drop of the deckie to get the car and back away from the jetty till the car comes it gives you room the put your boat on the jetty and get your car. if your cars there first put ya boat on the trailer and ill go after if my cars the first ill just put my on. either way the jettys free for lone boaties   

 Boat order is the only fair way

Room for 20 to retrieve side by side at the same time.

No queues. No arguments. And most people willing to lend a hand if needed.

Much more civilised and a long way north of the river :)

I like the boat rule, especially as I fish by myself some days and have to tie up and get the trailer back to the ramp pronto to keep the feathers smooth. If it were all drop off’s and trailers first I might be at the ramp for hours (more).

Crisco

Gotta be boat order surely!!!

I'm alone more often than not...... Takes me all of a minute to tie up, run to the car, back down and another minute to get my boat on the trailer........ To have 5 blokes butt in would piss me off as I generally go early enough to be able to reverse straight back from where I'm parked!!!!

This shit is why I don't do weekends and why I despise people in general!!
Only once has a random helped me out while alone!!!

 boat order is winning..... i think!

all the money we are spending and look at the problems you guys have getting your boats in and out!! glad i live in rocko plenty of ramps and being part of mangles bay you hardly ever wait!! time the government spent some money on ramps

I can see the merits of trailer order, but I've never had an issue with boat order

8 / 10 times I'm Solo or with my wife & 2 young kids.

And I have to say my last 2 outings show that the world isn't full of agro c#nts and other assholes, as I've had 2 blokes offer a hand.

Not that I was holding anyone up at all, but to get 2 offers in 2 trips after reading this thread was a positive experience.

The first bloke thought I was launching at Hillarys, and saw I only had my young fella with me - so offered to help - but then realised I had already retrieved solo (yes, I was in the retrieve lane), but it was the thought that counted in my book, and I thanked him for it.

Then last time was retrieving after the Rotto swim - just wife & kids, no jetty and a few waves knocking the back of the boat around - a bloke offered to help, so I got him to take the tension up on the winch until I had it lined up in the guides up and the Mrs was controlling the back. (She's bloody good at getting in amongst it, and doesn't mind getting wet retrieving when there's no jetty.)

That 10 second help probably saved 30+ secs and me clambering from the rear of the trailer rushing back to the winch.

I think if you can show you're trying to go as fast as you can people notice.

When I tie up solo, I basically sprint to my car and there's an obvious effort to make it snappy.

(and if I DID cop some unwarranted attitude, I'd be right pissed off and dish it back in spades)

So it was great to have the help offered, even if it wasn't needed.

I do exactly the same if I see someone undermanned etc.

And if either of you 2 fellas are on this site, thanks again.

 BOAT ORDER

boat launching and retrieving should form part of the RST, certian situations will dictate certian outcomes. the one thing out of this thread and a few others is that Two Rocks is a shambles, it was bad enough when i had the pleasure of heading out with Paul G from therer to slay some Dhuies, one thing for sure is that a slick deck crew makes heaps of difference.

any facility that has 4 or more lanes should have a dedicated launch lane and a dedicated retireve lane. too bad if you want to launch in an afternoon, i had to do that once to rescue a mate stranded in a creek and trying to get in the water at 5pm on a good weekend in Karratha is hard work and i had to just push in and make all those coming in move back or they where gonna cop some damage as i launched.

As for basic etiquette for launching and retieving i think it's pretty simple.

Launch:

* if your ramp has a prep area use it, get your decks cleared, your bungs in, ropes attached and whatever else you do ready otherwise do what you can at home like bungs in and have the ropes handy.

* after the boat is launched get your crew to move the boat as far out of the way as possible, either down the jetty or off to the side and hold it.

* get a crew member to turn everything on like sounders, GPS, VHF. Get the leg down and kick the boat over then set your deck if you haven't already, rods off the floor and in holders, tackles boxes and eski's back in their right spots, put antennas up etc

* lend a hand to others while waiting if you can, good karma before fishing can't hurt.

* if your a whinch on guy, prep your cable, pull it out and secure it ready to hook on.

* push off once the skipper is ready and stow all ropes, fenders etc as per instruction

Retrieve

* Upon approaching the ramp, get all the gear out you need and have it attached and ready

* have the keys in your pocket or your hands for the car, don't waste time searching for them at the jetty

* once docked move the boat up as close to the shore for retieval as possible making room for others

* have your whinch handle in a known location ready to go

* if your waiting lend a hand to others, keep that good karma coming

* as your backing down ensure the crew is untieing the boat ready to move it to the trailer under the skippers instuction

* conect your safety chain before you drive up the ramp, no one wants a lane out of action while you solve a bigger problem

* take the car and boat well out of the way to de-rig and ready the boat for the trip home

As for order of retrieval, if someone pushes in without me knowing because he has someone on the beach, you're a tool, let me know and i won't mind, i would have thought boat order was the go, only because thats pretty much the only way you can do it in Karratha, only the yahct club really hs the ability to drop someone off and that can be a fair walk but it seems this is about to change, personally if i dropped someone off i'd probably drop back to my spot i was in the queue anyway, i'm pretty quick on the ramp anyway and my crew is well drilled but that doesn't mean i can jump ahead of those who do it their own way, karma is a good thing and the waiting time means i can have another few beers anyway!

I agree with Brucesta, First into the Marina first to retreive. - at least thats how it done in SA - You come up and get a spot as close as possible to the front of the pontoon behind anyone else already moored at the pontoon.  You get your trailer nd who evers at the boat moves the boat forward as others in front retreive to free up space behind -

if solo as I often am - leave it where you tie up others should either offer to help or just wait.  Once its your turn back trailer down and pull boat in without stuffing around then drive up out of the way and sort boat out/wash down etc where your not blocking ramp access.

If you come in and all spots at pontoon taken just wait just off the pontoon till you can get a spot at the back -

Works well with no problems - the only problems I see at the ramp is when someone stuffs around on the ramp putting bungs in etc or taking them out, getting thongs, tilting motor and putting aerials down/up, kissing the girlfreind hello/goodbye, showing her the tiny undersize fish you caught etc.  whilst still on the ramp..  These are the people who hold things up no matter which method you use.

If you can drop off someone on the end of the pontoon to go get the car/trailer then do so by all means but don't think this means you are entitled to push your boat in front of mine (that being said there would be no reason to do this if the front person is not stuffing around.

Cheers

i dont like pulling up to a jetty. i usually hang back and float around waiting for the trailer.

are all the others gonna hang back and wait there turn or are they going to go in to the jetty before me ?

 muppet i will wait

 Thanks Barlow. See people, bit of conversation, sing koumbaya, and every things hunky dory....

 Boat order 

Obvious after thinking about it.

ramp with jetty - boat order

no jetty  -  trailer order

Grayzee, you have nailed it son!