Deep drop ban...Why?????

Understand the demersal ban for Dhuies, baldies, snapper, breaksea cod and harlies but why for the deep drop fish (grey band etc) that have not had too much amateur fishing pressure?

Be good for the tackle shop economy to not have the ban on deep drop fish and would get more into deep dropping which would take pressure of dhuies, etc, when the ban is lifted.

I am probaly missing something but thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.


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Well

Wed, 2015-10-14 20:08

your guess would be as good as anyone else's. 

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they're slow growing too chief.

Wed, 2015-10-14 20:08

Generally all demersals are pretty slow growing. A 25kg dhuie was once a common thing. 

 

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Maybe have the ban for deep drop fish

Wed, 2015-10-14 20:15

at another time than the demersal ban?

 

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 Well the same methods are

Wed, 2015-10-14 20:24

 Well the same methods are used to catch these fish, same rigs etc although heavier. You would have to prove you weren't targeting Dhu's or whatever else. 

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dont deep droppers still

Wed, 2015-10-14 20:34

dont deep droppers still catch snapper out there? how does bycatch "snapper" release from 150m? what depth is deep drop and how would fisheries police that?

does seem strange that deep drop is part of the ban but there are plenty of reasons why i spose

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 I got a 6kg pinky on a edge

Thu, 2015-10-15 06:29

 I got a 6kg pinky on a edge from 260-340 on the weekend 

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Complicated

Wed, 2015-10-14 20:41

How complicated are the rules already.

If they split closed seasons how would they know where you were fishing.

People would just say they are targeting whatever was legal at the time.

Simplicity is sometimes a much better solution.

As many of the deep fish are slow growing (like most colder water fish) pushing more pressure onto them may not be a good thing.

Also how many inexperienced anglers will head out in boats that arent suitable just so they can get their feed.

Plenty of other options for a couple of months

 

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 "People would just say they

Wed, 2015-10-14 21:53

 "People would just say they are targeting whatever was legal at the time."

Can do that now?

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Could

Wed, 2015-10-14 22:06

They could Rob but no real excuse to be fishing 24oz leads and 7/0's during the ban for kg's

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 A lot of the deeper species

Wed, 2015-10-14 22:05

 A lot of the deeper species are spawning around this time as well! Guaranteed if the deep species weren't protected you'd have 50-100+ boats in the trench every weekend the weather played the game! 

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Now

Wed, 2015-10-14 22:23

You get that now Reece.
Not uncommon to see up to a dozen boats on the same spot on a good day

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 This is why I hate fishing

Wed, 2015-10-14 22:47

 This is why I hate fishing metro waters. Look at what has happened to the deep water fishery on the east coast! Not only rec fishers but commercial guys hammering the same ground day in day out. No spot farming or looking after your patch. People will drift a spot all day till they pick sum thing up rather that using a bit of knolage and there sounder to go have a look..

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 Not wrong

Fri, 2015-10-16 19:28

 Not wrong. But how come we never cross paths out there? ;)

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Why do the

Wed, 2015-10-14 22:31

 Why do the landbased guys cop the demersal ban too ? There are many questions regarding fishing regulations in WA and too many rules as it is. 

Lots of people still cant work out what a mixed bag limit is, and size restrictions within those bags on certain species. 

 The ban has nothing to do with spawning, it was implimented to reduce the total demersal catch by 50%. And it achieved this straight away according to fisheries.

 

 

 

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It's working then

Thu, 2015-10-15 02:06

 So you agree that it's working?

And I don't buy the "too complicated" argument.  I'll bet these same people have no problem working out locations, moon phases, tide, bait, rigs and a dozen other things to target their species. 

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I don't know

Thu, 2015-10-15 10:43

I don't know if its working or not, it was the fisheries and the minister who said it cut the rec catch ( combined with the bag reductions ) by 50%
I find a few of the rules contradict themselves rather than complicated. But looking on some other sites its pretty clear people don't take the time to check out what they are allowed to do and keep while fishing.
For me the ban is not a huge issue, I have actually liked the fact I cant target the demersals, it forced me to go back to basics and target other fish I used to fish for. ie bread and butter , whiting, tailor etc. Plus I tend to troll for pelagics, checking and marking new ground while doing it.
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Maybe...

Thu, 2015-10-15 01:59

 So that deep water species don't end up in the same state as the others prior to the bans being introduced.  You can still fish them 10 months of the year.

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I believe the ban has had

Thu, 2015-10-15 07:20

I believe the ban has had little effect on your metro fishery.
It was the removal of commercial demersal fishing Two Rocks-Mandurah.
How do I come to this conclusion?
Because we also have the ban but also commercial fishing and haven't seen a noticeable improvement as is widely spoken about here anecdotally in the metro area.

Don't take this as being anti commercial, this is just my observation.

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 I see a place for both

Thu, 2015-10-15 07:26

 I see a place for both commercial and recreational fishing in a well managed fishery.

Interesting observation about the changes in your area, you're in Carnarvon aren't you?

I wonder also if the more restrictive bag limits have also had an effect?  In any case, it seems as a whole the fishery is much better than what it was ten years ago according to what I read and hear.  

And as I said above, recreational anglers can still fish 10 months of the year, I don't really see a problem.  Better to have restrictions in place and work out over time that they may have been a bit excessive than the other way around.

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Thu, 2015-10-15 07:34

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Yes better to have restrictions but a big mistake to attribute the success to the wrong restriction from a management POV.

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i would tend to agree with

Thu, 2015-10-15 11:33

i would tend to agree with rob above in his view/observation

while other demersal management changes have helped the biggest improvements have come imo from the removal of most rock lobster boats being able to take scale fish and the ban on metro commercial fishing

the improments have been the biggest within the metro area , its also where you hear the most issues with sharks of all varietys in recent years

and again im also not anti commercial

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 Everyone complaining about

Thu, 2015-10-15 07:15

 Everyone complaining about the demersal ban and here we are moving south to target dhuis. I guess the price and demand goes up during the ban...

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burnz one of the negatives

Thu, 2015-10-15 07:48

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one of the negatives is the increased activity by commercials in the south , this has resulted from being pushed out of the metro imo

it does not make good pr for some commercials who like to run shark net especially in close down south , its legal , but it sure smashes the inshore stocks to hell in many locations along the capes coast
the wetliners are more aware of the need for balance with their fishing imo

given the rec ban was only to reduce effort it would be much better to have the commerical ban and the rec ban on at the same time , working together to manage the total demersal fishery

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 got to agree hezzy if

Fri, 2015-10-16 17:04

 got to agree hezzy if fisheries were dinkum about protection during spawning both rec and commercial would be banned at the same time and the ban would start later and finish after xmas around mid January. I am referring to dhufish mainly just today i drove along the coast and spotted a commercial heading down the coast. Regarding deep drop if it's proven that they spawn at the same time then why not?  Same ban for both look after the fish first and the rest will look after itself. 

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 Think you might find

Thu, 2015-10-15 17:10

 Think you might find fisheries research might indicate that this is the time of year most species spawn ,

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 Bit late for the pinkies and

Thu, 2015-10-15 17:24

 Bit late for the pinkies and bit early for the dhu and baldies?

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Maybe mate yeah , always

Thu, 2015-10-15 18:15

Maybe mate yeah , always found up north from September till about mid November was spawning time , you could target fish around those times no worries, spangos , estuary cod and Malabars , reds. Rankins etc.probably right though , I think pinks spawn a bit earlier. can't tell you much about the dhuies. Deep water was always around now to . not that effects me much but I think its a great move. 

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Blue eye and Bass Cod spawning now IMO

Fri, 2015-10-16 08:40

We generally fish Deep between April to July when the conditions are more suited for a deep drop, But last week we went to couple of our blue eye spot and fish from both spots had plenty of roe.

Never seen that in fishes caught during April to July.

So it looks like the ban is set for a reason.

I am no expert, just my observation.

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Glad the rules stand as they are

Fri, 2015-10-16 14:38

 I'm one of the younger guys who hears old dogs always boasting about how "it used to be" with demersals, and I'm jealous of the greater abundance of larger fish they had available then. I would feel dissappointed if I was having to tell young people when I'm old how "it used to be" about deeper species, so I think its great limits are here now, not later on when they Are more than needed and often too little too late. 

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