Exmouth Sharks!!
G'day all,
I have just come back from a 10 day fishing trip at Exmouth and I now know how bad the shark problem is up there. I found some pretty good ground not too far from Tantas and decided to give it a drop. Out of our total hook ups I'd say only approximately 15-20% were landed and at some stages we could not get any fish up at all. If the sharks weren't there we would have bagged out in no time. I spoke to some of the locals and they mentioned there's talk of perhaps attempting to thin out the numbers however, they said it would cause conflict with the greenies and militant conservationists.
More often than not fisho's now have to sacrifice more fish to sharks in the hope of landing a couple to get a feed. We tried moving spots multiple times but still the sharks kept taking our catch. In the 10 days we were there we would have lost 30-40 quality demersal species (Prob reds, spango's, chinamon, Robbos sea bream etc) and that must have an effect on the sustainability of fish stocks especially if everyone else is doing the same thing.
I believe some action needs to be considered before it starts to put people off visiting there for fishing trips (If it hasn't already). Why can't a commercial fishing boat start fishing there and sell it to fish n chip shops? They'd clean up!! Haha! It's a tricky problem because how many do you cull to confidently say it's enough?
Would be interesting to know your thoughts on this subject and if anyone else has been horrifically sharked like we just have.
Cheers
Ben
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Swompa
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Just need to do it
Just need to do it quietly...
hornet42
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i like to eat shark
use wire and bigger hooks the Stella 18000hg would make lite work of it
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Rob H
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we used to do it, legally. So
we used to do it, legally. So did John (carnarvonite).
From Exmouth to Kimberleys, but it got stopped.
I can tell you, ALOT would have to be caught to make any difference.
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Griffo84
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So why did the shark
So why did the shark commercial fishery stop in our north west waters? Surely it would be a viable source of income. I hear what you say Rob in regards to ALOT would have to be caught to dent the numbers. Every new place I fished/dived we had shark encounters. They are in plauge proportions.
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
carnarvonite
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Numbers
We reported to fisheries that the numbers of thick skins [sandbar whalers] were dropping quickly and got the reply back that it was a seasonal thing.
Six months later we went belly up from getting ripped off by a so called partner and had to pull out. Six months after that it collapsed completely and they shut it down and its still closed. Our licence was from 114deg to 120deg, or from Exmouth through to 3/4 the way from Hedland to Broome.
The rec fishermen would welcome us in Exmouth with open arms whenever we arrived and nearly beg us to stay even longer than the one or two fourteen day trips.
The sharks you catch up there are no good for the fish and chip market---tooooo tough, all of ours was brined, plastic wrapped, frozen and exported to Asia.
Would love to have the same licence now or one down round Carnarvon because they are worse here than up there.
One trick to stop losing so many fish is not to use fresh caught bait, as soon as you drop a fresh fillet in the water you are inviting them to dinner and don't just idle off to a new spot after getting sharked because they have learnt to follow the boats
quadfisher
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Not a popular word
research! , I guess you would have to work out first if the numbers per square km over the entire area has increased , or is it that
they are getting learned behaviour, and consentrating themselves in the areas we fish , cause they see a easy feed.
We fished C.B 3 weeks ago , 7 days straight , lost 1 mackeral and maybe a couple of reefies in that whole time.
Also hooked another 2-3 small sharks on baits, and that was about it.
Being hypothethical, what would happen if no-one fished EX for say 5 years , would they all disapate, and go back to normal ( not hang around boats?)
quadfisher
AaronC
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Next Week
Going up there next week for the first time in 2 years.
Just what i want to hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it really that bad 20% of your catch gets to the surface??? Pelagics as well as demersals?
Andy Mac
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About right
Pelagics we lost plenty of Macks but landed all our Dollies and Marlin.
Demersals you can perhaps only land one maybe two fish per spot before you get 3 or 4 sharks hanging under your boat.
A lot of the joy of fighting a fish goes out the window when you are skull dragging everything as fast as you can to get past the sharks. I was lucky enough to have a reasonably good 2 speed reel in high gear and a locked up drag that made a bit of difference.
You certainly earn every fish. And rue the ones you lose. This would have to be one of the biggest Goldband I've seen if it was whole. Understandably Pete was a little distraught after fighting that for 70 of the 100m we were fishing in, then playing tug of war with a big grey coat for another 5 minutes before this popped up..
Cheers
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Griffo84
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Hi Aaron- We found the
Hi Aaron- We found the mackies aren't around in the numbers they were last year. We trolled for them for many hours with only sharks and tuna taking the lures. There is also alot of weed in the water and we were continously reeling in our lures to free them of weed. In the 10 days we were there we only managed to catch 1 mackie and that was all the way out at the Murions with a floating mulie at the back whilst we were anchored up fishing. We did however, see a few mackie frames in the bins at Tantas filleting table so they are there. We just struggled to find them.
In regards to the demersals you may land 1 or 2 fish before the sharks move in. After that you will have very little chance pulling a 5-10kg fish up from 50-70m past the sharks. This morning I was thinking of making a paternoster rig out of heavy wire trace. You would have a fairly good chance of landing the shark and it would be interesting to see if the fish is still in its mouth or try gut the shark and retrieve the fish! I know it sounds crazy but it would be interesting to see. The only problem I see is landing a 6 ft thrashing shark onto your boat...Have the club ready..Haha!!
There's plenty of squid around inside the reef just inside of Helby bank.
Good luck out there
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fact of the matter is that
fact of the matter is that the fins are 90% of the income and its a dirty word whether sustainable or not.
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81macca
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Just got back from Exmouth
Just got back from Exmouth last night from a quick trip and the sharks were terrible. There is talk of getting a couple of shark boats up there but the locals don't seem to think it will be passed because of the extreme Greens. We do our little bit by sending any sharks back minus a dorsal fin. Harsh but they need to be thinned out.
I actually fish.
terboz123
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im not green./...but if your
im not green./...but if your going to kill it, kill it F****** humanely....
every one is al about killing fish with spikes for quality flesh and its humane. do the same with sharks.
a hard days fishing still beats work
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Agreed - shark finning is
Agreed - shark finning is frankly f*cked, no matter now annoying the pricks are
When asked by a non-fisherman 'how many fishing rods do you really need?' the correct answer is either:
n+1 (where n is the number of fishing rods you currently own); or
n-1 (where n is the number of fishing rods which would cause your significant other to dump you.
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Yip
Hate them, but could never just fin one to let it die slowly.
Yuk and sort of has concentration camp torture feel to it
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Bones76
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send a few shark boats out to
send a few shark boats out to the containers while we're talking about it....
reece
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At around $1 a kg for shark
At around $1 a kg for shark I'd rather be targeting demersals $8-$14 a kg
Any one free to help me pull my drum lines tomorrow?
pale ale
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Same shit in Dampier.Gets
Same shit in Dampier.
Gets expensive trolling for mackeral when you lose 3 or 4 laser pros.
I think sharks are now attracted to engine noise and echo sounders
reece
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I deffinatly agree with the
I deffinatly agree with the sounder call! When I fish up north il mark the fish then turn the sounder off! I was told this by a wet liner. They pick up on the ping of your trany! The bigger x ducer the louder!
Any one free to help me pull my drum lines tomorrow?
Griffo84
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Yeah interesting you
Yeah interesting you mentioned about the sounder pings. My mate told me he suspected sharks are attracted to the pings of the transducer but I didn't think much about it because I thought sharks could only sense electrical pulses or energy in water. Def worth turning the sonar off and seeing if that makes a difference.
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
Robbo88
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Tranny Ping?
Wouldn't have affected you bro, your sounder didn't work remember haha.
bluemule
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Cull the bloody things
If we keep giving the sharks a free feed every day, how the hell can that be sustainable managed fishery.Their like rabbits with teeth.when the food is abundant they multiply. Once apon a time it was leagle to carry a power pole in the boat over in the East.
Im on my way at the end of the week, coming from Sydney to live my dream for three months long service . My wife and I, along with many other fishers travel to Exmouth. Pay our licence fees for boat and castnet and contribute to the local economy.(accomodation, food, Fuel, and all the local small business shop owners).They will be the real losers.
If the govenment does nothing. All will suffer as folks will go elsewere, including us.
Jim & Eunice
Rob H
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Just go to Coral Bay
Just go to Coral Bay instead, nowhere near as bad there
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Dunno about that Rob. Last
Dunno about that Rob. Last year and the year before we were absolutely savaged by sharks at Coral. We couldn't get a Red past the buggers although they seemed to leave the Goldband and cod alone. Ive been reading all the reports this year and I must admit it is sounding a lot better this year. Hope it stays that way as we are on our way on 19/7
Rob H
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we did get hit in a couple of
we did get hit in a couple of places the last 3 trips but Id say average lose 1 in maybe 8-10?
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Cruise Control
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I hope so. Our loss rate at
I hope so. Our loss rate at one stage was 1 or 2 fish making it to the boat out of 10 and only because they were the smallest ones !
uncle
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are there less sharks
if you cruise 5 -10 miles south?? they were bad enough 3 years ago
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terboz123
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uncle out of 4 exmouth trips
uncle out of 4 exmouth trips we seriously havnt had that many problems with sharks..a few here and there. jus try and fish in areas that people wont go to as much.
a hard days fishing still beats work
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Goon bags
When you hook one and get it to the boat, cut the trace and tie an inflated good bag on to the trace and let it go.
While the hooked shark swims off with its new adornment it takes some of its mates with it.
Usually takes them about half an hour to rid themselves of the goon bag and hopefully you have got some fish on board by then or you have to repeat the process
bluemule
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Goon bags?
Are they good for the envioment( Got to do the right thing for the greenies) and were do you get them.
A 20lt reuseable drum on a short tail rope might be the go!
carnarvonite
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Goon bags
Goon bags are the liners out of gins hand bags, also known as wine casks
Robbo88
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Healthy Eco System??
I was on this trip with Grifffo and I can say he is playing down the number of fish taken by sharks when he says 30-40, it was well above this and times that by 2 as we had 2 boats out there!
The fisheries believe high numbers of sharks mean a healthy eco system, how can this be?? The way I see it is people are loosing well above their bag limit to sharks every day and still not returning to the ramp with any where near their quota of fish. Everyone we spoke to at the ramp was in the same boat. The reason we all head north every year is to fish hard for 10 days solid, stock up the freezers (this keeps the Mrs happy and gets us our pass for following year!) and kick back with the boys in some warm weather! I don't find it enjoyable skull dragging fish up just to beat the sharks and 9 times out of 10 loosing.
I'm done with Exmouth until something is done about the sharks! I can't justify the time and cost travelling there only to get TAXED 9 fish out of 10 once you are there.
So any suggestions on a destination for next year???
terboz123
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that's not the reason I go to
that's not the reason I go to exmouth...I go to exmouth to fish for marlin not RNP.! and I know there are many others out there that would prefer to do other things that just chase demercals....
a hard days fishing still beats work
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Wait until your billfish
Wait until your billfish start getting sharked and then see what you think of necking the pricks. In Broome it is now a common thing to have your sails sharked, 3 years ago it was so rare that people didn't believe it happened. At the end of last season the locals stopped targeting them because they couldn't get one past the sharks. The whaler population has spiralled out of control along the entire West Coast even in the more remote places that don't see too much rec boating.
I actually fish.
terboz123
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bill get sharked
bill get sharked everywhere...happened to me in Hawaii. happened in the gold coast to me personally already.
think you just jumped to conclusions a bit here maccaa, I really don't care what happens to the sharks up there,i know there bad as I have friends who all they want to do is chase dermcals there and experienced the odd placcie session on them to. im not green I just advocate its done humanely ,
my point was not everyone goes to RNP exmouth demercals like you said in your post.. I know a lot of people that go up chasing bills , GTS etc etc. not just reds , ranking and goldband. that's my point.
a hard days fishing still beats work
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Wait until your billfish
Wait until your billfish start getting sharked and then see what you think of necking the pricks. In Broome it is now a common thing to have your sails sharked, 3 years ago it was so rare that people didn't believe it happened. At the end of last season the locals stopped targeting them because they couldn't get one past the sharks. The whaler population has spiralled out of control along the entire West Coast even in the more remote places that don't see too much rec boating.
I actually fish.
Robbo88
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Not the reason??
Terboz,
You say you head to Excy to chase marlin? I said I go to get in some solid fishing. No mention of Rape and pillage! Rape and pillage in my book is taking everything that comes on deck, no matter the size or amount... This is far from how we fish! When the sharks would show up we'd bugger off trawling or head to new ground because we hate giving them a easy feed. My guess is you don't have kids? It seems to me you obviously think 20kg of fillets in the freezer is rape and pillage but its actually LEGAL, yet as a family of 4, 20kgs doesn't go very far at all! With limited time on my hands these days (yes kids leave you without spare time) I don't manage to get out all that often anymore, hence our annual trip north.
I hope this helps you understand my previous post.
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bluemule
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Goon bags?
Now John, I could tell you a few jokes via PM only.
Anyone got a home made recipy for C4
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PE 4 (CE 4)
cyclotetramethylenetetranitramine plus a plasticiser (linseed oil is good) and 5 precent by weight trinitroetheltetranitramine.
DTrain
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I read somewhere that great
I read somewhere that great whites can sense or smell when another great white in the area has been killed and they will head out to sea to avoid the area.
I don't know if whaler sharks are the same, but maybe slitting ones throat and putting it back down on a release weight would scare the others off.
carnarvonite
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Smell of White pointers
Don't know where you got that bit of info about white pointers pissing off from the area when one is killed.
Have seen two of the eating one of their brothers that had been caught on a set line. Also caught a big tiger that had devoured a near 2 metre thickskin that had taken another shark that had been hooked on the same trace, best total was 4 heads and a whole shark still kicking. If one had pups in it , if still alive released if dead tomorrows bait and nearly guaranteed a shark from it.
crasny1
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There is a story about a
There is a story about a killer whale killing a GW of Mexico I think, and ate its liver as I recalled. All the tagged sharks in the area immediately dived deep and most swam to Hawai.
I think that more proof needed, because it may have been purely coincidental.
As for the sharks, in the 5yrs in Karratha the problem increased. Fishing deeper than 20m meant no fun. Get the big gear out and go like hell. Skull drag the only option. For me thats not sport, which is why I love fishing. A feed is a bonus.
Also great fun trying to land a spinning whaler, they go off like Mako's.
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scotto
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Here's a true story I witnessed personally.
A certain skipper, of a certain fishing charter boat, in a certain fishing/whale shark town, after encountering an uncertain number of quality fish getting sharked, used a certain 44 lever action rifle, to blow away a certain shark, whilst anchored and fishing in 70m water, off a certain popular west side boat launching area.
Once certain bleeding shark had sunk to the bottom, no more sharks for the rest of the day.
It certainly works.
carnarvonite
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Mate
Mate did a trip on a charter boat to the Monte's and has video footage of the skipper doing much the same to a big tawny nurse then cutting the trace. No mention of whether it made them piss off or not but usually tawnies are solitary and keep well away from the more voracious species.
Gav475
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same
yep, just got back from 3 weeks in exy. Weather was very average with 5 fishable days in total. Lost huge amounts of fish to the sharks. Had a 4 mtr great white swimming around the boat as well as countless numbers of all other types seen on the surface while steaming or drifting. We conservatively estimated 8 to 9 fish lost to 1 landed, all depths. Huge strain on te gear with 1 reel and 1 rod, both new broken and huge amounts of tackle lost. The bloody things were even just eating the sinkers. Everyone was in the same boat with being sharked regardles of depth, drifting or location. Definately not alot of joy in skull dragging fish from 100 mtrs to have any chance of landing one. Trouble is its like playing 17 holes of shit golf only to play a blinder on the last which makes you keep going back.
Robbo88
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Hi Gav,I'm pretty sure it
Hi Gav,
I'm pretty sure it was you guys we spoke to a couple times at the ramp? I had the Red Genny. But I maybe wrong haha... How did you guys end up going Friday and Saturday??
Josh
crano
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A long time ago I did a few
A long time ago I did a few charter trips to the monties and the skippers theory was if you got a shark to the boat and it then got .303 inch hole in it the shark would take off and the others would go after it and try and eat it.It seemed to work.
Codhead
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Vitamin 12
About 20 years ago I was out on a charter out of Onslow. We managed to drag a big tiger up to the surface and the skipper announced that it must be suffering from vitamin 12 deficiency. He remedied this by grabbing his shotgun from the cabin and giving it both barrels!!
The gods do not deduct from mans allotted span the hours spent in fishing
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Seems that people really had
Seems that people really had some mixed experiences with the sharks at Exxy. I don't claim to be a guru on the region, only done 15-20 days on the water up there on my old tub over a couple of trips, but I really never had that much grief with them. It was better than what I've experienced at the barges that's for sure.
The only exception to that was when I tried for some deeper water jigging in around 160m. Hooked up 3 or 4 times but each time resulted in a sharking and a lost 320gr Lamble Bait. Gave up on that game pretty quick. Other than that I reckon I lost maybe 5 fish during all those days on the water.
I wonder whether that's a factor as to why I haven't lost many fish to sharks? I have never fished bait up there. Only jigs, soft plastics, skirts, divers, stickbaits, poppers etc.
Are most the people having this drama bait fishos?
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n+1 (where n is the number of fishing rods you currently own); or
n-1 (where n is the number of fishing rods which would cause your significant other to dump you.
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By the way I should add that
By the way I should add that I also caught bugger all reds, so maybe the sharks have good taste and that's why I wasn't getting sharked :-)
When asked by a non-fisherman 'how many fishing rods do you really need?' the correct answer is either:
n+1 (where n is the number of fishing rods you currently own); or
n-1 (where n is the number of fishing rods which would cause your significant other to dump you.
Gary13
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shark Bay
They are out of control in Shark Bay! We lost 80% of our fish. Have been fishing there for 25 years and the last few years have been a waste of time. 6m to 60m you can't get away from them.
Griffo84
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dkonig - We were fishing
dkonig - We were fishing baits 90% of the time with a mixture of trolling for macks. We found the sharks were taking our sinkers on the way down to the bottom and they were even taking our lures.
I think I better learn some shark recipies! Haha! The only problem is trying to sedate it before coming on deck. They make an absolute mess when thrashing around on the deck.
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
Gary13
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Shark shield
We tried sinking a shark shield Down on a rope, it helped a little but as soon as the fish is far enough away from the shield it's all over.
Need a super powerful one that runs off your boat battery maybe.
carnarvonite
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Shark shield
One of the universities along with fisheries set a huge one up on a wetliner working out of Carnarvon and tried it at different depths and found that they soon worked out that they could attack fish under it or over it, attaching it to the main line proved to be too difficult for the deckies to handle and would tangle with the traces.
Gav475
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hey
hey robo88 yep was us. Hope you had a good trip back. Friday and Saturday were the best 2 days with some solid reds and gold bands taken. The bloody sharks smashed us though with the young bloke having a shocker on Saturday and could not get a fish past them despite some big hook ups. Was due to leave today bot left early as the weather was pretty average . Might see you there next year.
Gav475
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bait
we made a point of fishing with only squid and no fillets or fresh bait and didn't seem to make a difference. You would get the first couple in and then that would be it. Move to another spot and repeat the process. Funny thing was as soon as I left one spot some dopey bugger would jump on the spot so it wouldn't get a rest. If you could give a spot a rest for 30 minutes you couls have a chance of fishing it again. All being said and done they were frustrating but it was still a good time and we bought a good feed home. Just not sure it is very sustainable way to manage a prized fishery.
Griffo84
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I have been thinking - What
I have been thinking - What if you rigged up a paternoster rig with heavy trace and when the fish gets hit by the shark could you not bring the shark in and retrieve the catch from its gut/mouth or am I in fairy land.
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
Hutch
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I may be mistaken but sharks
I may be mistaken but sharks have these things called teeth which generally mangle their prey
Griffo84
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Yeah fair point but after
Yeah fair point but after watching sharks eat live fish when I went diving last week they don't seem to mangle the fish too much. It looks as though they are more or less whole when swallowed. Who knows? Gotta give it a try I guess.
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
Lastchance
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Why do people continue to
Why do people continue to fish when they are getting sharked?
Its not surprising that the sharks have become more of an issue when people keep hooking a free feed for them.
'Its our only trip of the year' and we want to 'fill the freezers' arent valid excuses for being a part of a mindset that is ruining the fishing up here.
terboz123
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rape and pillage mentality
rape and pillage mentality unfortunately...some people still have it in their mind like that and I assume some people don't want to sounds so they just constantly stay on the same mark or move close by.
a hard days fishing still beats work
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really the rape and pillage should be gone
don't quotas take care of that, spent a bit of time up there over the years and most of our fish go back to live another day
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MattMiller
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Not really
for example you still see the big groups, mum, dad, 4 kids all with rfbl take 120kg home at the end of a trip.
See it all the time at spots like Coral Bay/ Exmouth.
Rob H
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Pretty sure thats not
Pretty sure thats not illegal?
However if the people are there for the possession limit, then as long as its doesnt get sold and does get eaten I dont see a problem.
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You don't require a rfbl to
You don't require a rfbl to be in possession of your 20kg, that relates only to bag limits on your boat, otherwise land based fisherman could never be transporting fish and you could never give fillets away.
UBIQUE
Rob H
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yep correct,
yep correct
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The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
crasny1
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I am a little confused now
And probably should re-read the reg's for the 100th time. I thought possesion limit at home is 20kg off fillets - stop. Doesnt mean 20kg's for everyone living there.
Also thought a family of 4 going up there is only allowed to transport 20kg back - again didnt think/read it as per person?
Will read when I can and try to clarrify, otherwise others - help!
Dont worry EDIT: was wrong in my thought. Forgot the labbeling part
"Labelling stored fish
If the quantity of fish stored in a single
container/freezer exceeds one person’s
Finfish possession limits
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possession limit, the fish must be clearly
labelled with the name of the owner(s).
Labels, of at least 75 mm long and 25 mm wide,
must be securely attached to each container or
package of fish. The full name of the owner must
be legibly written on the label and be clearly
visible for inspection.
Labels are not needed if:
•
your fishing trip.
• You are within your daily bag limit and still on•
direct physical control of the person who took the
fish and are not stored with anyone else’s fish."
• The fish are in the possession and under the"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk
Rob H
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20kg per person, licenced or
20kg per person, licenced or not.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Griffo84
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Date Joined: 28/05/10
Terboz - So what is your
Terboz - So what is your defenition of rape and pillage? Taking home a few fillets in the freezer to enjoy after a fishing trip certainly isn't rape and pillage IF you abide by the rules. If you take undersize fish and exceed your bag limit you deserve to have 'Rape and pillage' attached to your name.
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
Robbo88
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Date Joined: 07/01/09
Well Said!
Taking fish home to feed the Mrs and Kids must now come under the category of "rape and pillage." People must not be able to read that little quote under yours posts Griffo!
terboz123
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err... point one. dont twist
err...
point one. dont twist my words and say i said things like taking home a FEW fillets, complete crap of trying to "type" words into my post
point two, my posts were directed at the general topic not at some one, so dont get those nickers in some knots boys
point 3, my post ment that peoples mind sets to RnP, if there are sharks there MOOVE long distancs,THINK outside of the box you all say your all there for the sport, you dont need to chase dermcals EVERDAY on the same marks! hence why sharks are there, you just put 300m to the west and they follow... go pop, throw stick baits, marlin fishing, gulf fishing, you will get so much by catch that isnt sharks that is 5 star, oh wait there not red emp or goldband! etc etc there is so much to do, and i am sorrry i have never had problems with sharks like everyone saids. and i get my feed to take home.
point 4, i reiterate that this post isnt directed at some one, but more so to the people that hammer the same marks west of tantas of west of the murions where it seems sharks are worse.....or better yet learn to read a sounder.
a hard days fishing still beats work
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^^
^^
Nick1712
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Nicely done lastchance!
Nicely done lastchance!
pigtrough
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Date Joined: 26/02/13
Spent a bit if time up there
Spent a bit if time up there over the past 15 years also. Decided to give it another go in march this year. We booked accommodation after towing the boat up but after a week pulled out due to the huge amount if sharks.
I don't fish for the freezer and spent most time using soft plastics, flicking stick baits and trolling all the usual spots far and wide and could not believe the amount if fish/lures I lost to them. After speaking to the boys at blue water they said it's getting worse as no shark boats are allowed....no SHIT !
decided to pack up and head back south closer to home and cancelled my accommodation which turned out to be a great move.
I for one will certainly not bother taking the boat back to Exxy in the future as it's just not worth it. Way to many better spots closer to home, less sharks, same mix of demersals and palegics and heaps cheaper with less sharks.
I know of others doing the same which can only mean less tourist income to the town of exmouth. I've lived in 4 coastal towns from the mid-west to the Kimberley who revolve around tourism so can see the impact that this can have.
obviously local fishos in Exxy won't be fussed as less pressure on their home turf.
fisheries need to have a long hard look at this as we can all see something needs to be done to the shark population increase getting worse.
gripe over :)
profish540
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Agree the sharks are a
Agree the sharks are a problem but the little money that rec fishers bring to town is minimal catch you latter.
Griffo84
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Date Joined: 28/05/10
Pigtrough - We're in the same
Pigtrough - We're in the same boat mate. We will try somewhere different next year in the hope of finding a place less sharky. Don't get me wrong there are still plenty of fish in Exmouth and the place certainly isn't fished out. We had plenty of big hook ups not far from Tantas at all however, it was heatbreaking seeing the fish go to the sharks. Perhaps it's a blessing for Exmouth as fisherman may give it a miss for a few years which will give some of the fish stocks a chance to rebuild.
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
DM
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Date Joined: 20/08/09
Hi Guys... just thought I
Hi Guys... just thought I would add a little 1st hand experience to this thread... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdkODTiM780 this is a video out off Karratha... the Mackeral in it is NOT a small mackeral ;) the sharks arn't big however they are in plague preportions...
Last week we had a dive inshore... again lots of these little buggers, there was also a decent supply of bull sharks and whalers around the 2.5 - 3m mark and a tiger around 3-3.5m mark... although he/she wasn't overly co-operative for the camera... there is a particular spot where we are lucky to get in 10-20% of the fish we catch(not an overestimation)... I am using a dogfish and 80# braid locked up or alternatively a TLD with 100# braid maxed out on the macks so it's not like we don't try ;)
Anyhow ridiculous number of sharks... little to no pressure on them and they have come to associate outboard motors with a free feed... we have noticed in some spots when the boat drives over to us while spearing the sharks turn up... so it's a no brainer that they associate boats with a feed.
I think an important issue here is this association of boats with food helps shark populations to grow even larger due to the ease with which they get a feed compared to actually having to chase down a feed (this is an assumption). There definately needs to be some culling at this point and I agree with Rob H on the magic words "Shark Fin" which appear to strike terror into the hearts of all greens related folk (I do however believe that the sharks should be killed humanely before they are finned). It would be a great service to the west coast to have someone working the coast and thinning out the numbers... I am more then happy to advise on a few choice locations ;)
Anyhow hope you guys enjoy the vid... and don't think thats anything unusual as it is pretty much the norm.
Rob
Be the hunter... not the hunted!
Lastchance
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Well said DM.
Well said DM.
crasny1
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Jikes
There is a few, just a few. Wouldnt want to suffer from Galeophobia would you.
Out of dampier we chose eventually to only fish <20m of water, to give us a chance of "sport". Became to boring to skull drag fish from deeper and then still loose some. Always thought it was one or 2 sharks that get your fish. Not sure now.
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Griffo84
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Wow that's amazing footage!
Wow that's amazing footage! Thanks for sharing. You simply have no chance against that.
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
Robbo88
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Date Joined: 07/01/09
Awesome Footage!
Becoming a state wide problem!
paul83
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Date Joined: 13/12/12
Footage
That footage is incredible, you literally have no chance against that.
Pick it up, put it down....
uncle
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holy crappola
you guys have got bigger balls then me, were you not worried, that is real frightning
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
DM
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Have some more footage from
Have some more footage from the ones that didn't get away... if you can get a second shaft in or have a mate riding shotgun you have half a chance... When I finally get around to editing will put some up... (probly be a while till then).
Rob
Be the hunter... not the hunted!
spanishmackeral
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Was up in exmouth for two
Was up in exmouth for two weeks and only got out on the 17th, 18th and 19th due to shit wether.
Cleaned up on maccies on the first day filling the esky with 5 12ish kg fish and only loosing fish from other maccies eating swivels and even knots, could have kept trolling but esky was full. caught a few small demersals and a fat baldie with maybe 3 fish sharked (moved spots after each shark)
second day lost two lures to sharks taking the lure even before the macks could and landed 7 demersals in 25m within about 20 minutes then the sharks showed up and followed us around for the rest of the day before we called it quits
third day nada probably due to 5m+ swell rolling through.
so sharks werent a huge problem for us but we fished were no othere boats were even in sight.
having our first crack at c bay next year so see how we go