Fatal shark attack at rotto
Submitted by hlokk on Sat, 2011-10-22 14:12
Just heard a securite on the marine radio. Apparently a fatal shark attack at one of the bays at rotto. Didn't quite hear the name but I think little Armstrong bay? Should be more details out soon.
Lamby
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Sadly not surprising, for
Sadly not surprising, for those that may be involved I wish them all the best & hopefully it is not another fatality
spooledagain
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500m NW of little Armstrong
500m NW of little Armstrong bay
J_doggy
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link...
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/shark-attack-in-rotto/story-e6frg13u-1226173885712
Starbug
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Yes..... just listening to 16
Yes..... just listening to 16 VHF. Water police are getting R100 and the other vessels to warn boats to get divers out of the water.
SHizz
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I think it's time to invest
I think it's time to invest in some Shark Sheild stocks.
tailor marc
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RIP - condolences to the
RIP - condolences to the family and friends. I was only just saying that today would be prime time for an attack. Very overcast!!!!
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uncle
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unbeliveable
hope all is well, need to take more care now by the sounds of it
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bod
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shocking news
guess they will go with the rogue shark theory now.
roberta
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Terrible
maybe they need to tag any GW's around Perth metro area and see if we really have a rogue GW that is if it is a GW, RIP to the gentleman that has just passed over, apparently a US citizen.
25' Bertram, wonder if it was a FW're, pulled him from the water.
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Reefmonkey
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That sucks
condolenses to the family and all involved, lets hope this isn't a continuing trend in the coming months. meant to be diving north side of rotto tomorrow,... not too sure now
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snappermiles
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this is different to the rest though
its the first attack for a scuba diver that i have heard! most scuba divers just see the sharks,
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Reefmonkey
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Yea agreed
I've never heard of one in oz either, all I've heard of are ab's or spearing divers. assume with the ban was just a pleasure diver.. not good news at all
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guy at abrohols taken by a
guy at abrohols taken by a white was on scuba aswell i think, yeah ussauly when they see the bubbles i dont think they have even the slitest idea thats its food
smash
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As far as i recall he was
As far as i recall he was snorkelling?
Reefmonkey
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Spearing
According to ABC news and police he was spearing.
"Police say the man, who had arrived in the state earlier this year for work, was diving and spear fishing on Saturday afternoon when it is believed he was attacked by the three-metre shark"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-22/diver-killed-in-suspected-shark-attack/3595308?section=wa
Dave J.
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RIP
Not trying to be a smart arse at a time like this but a mate and I were out fishing today and actually said to eachother that it felt very "sharkey".
My thoughts are with the family and friends.
I did then the best that I knew how. When I knew better, I did better.
Xtreme Coolers
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Man
Makes me feel pretty sick. Gotta think it is time to think of some sort of intervention, whatever that may be. 4 deaths in 14 months. Just makes me think how lucky we have been over the years swimming, diving and surfing around Rotto. As uncle says, time to take more care if that is possible. It makes you think, why today and at that spot and to that person? Maybe someone can come up with a majic answer. And yes tailor mac, i too was talking to a mate of mine down at Cott today saying it is a prime day for the whites.
Unfortunately, we were right.
Very sad and condolences to the family. Our thoughts are with all involved.
Dave
hlokk
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Although it is 4 in 14
Although it is 4 in 14 months, it is also 4 in 34 months too. In the last 10 years there have been 7 fatal shark attacks.
It is tempting to say that shark attacks are much more prevalent now due to several recently, however it could just be luck that they occured close together. We may have none for three years. Its somewhat random, so you cant expect it to be evenly spaced. Some attacks will clump together (thats the way random numbers work). There are more people in the water and therefore higher risk, so you would expect a little more say, but maybe 10-20%, but not several times. However, in Recife, a Brazillian city, they had a large increase in shark attacks that ended up being caused by blood leaking from an abbatoir. Sometimes there is a reason for increased attacks. Sometimes it is just random chance the numbers "clump together". To say attacks are getting more frequent than the amount due to more people in the water (and perhaps marginally more sharks) is a bit premature.
allrounder
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Blood leaking vs whale oil?
It is almost time for the mess created years ago to be cleaned up.When the whale washed up at cott they screwed around for that long that it started to break down on the beach with sharks feeding on it for days.They took that long to sort it out that when they tried to move it it broke into bits and if i recall right they buried some of the carcass in the sand to stop the smell.Now the same sharks return every year and the results speak for themselves.
Is it going to take a child or children on a swimming lesson ect to be taken before they do anything at all.A chopper or a plane flying up and back is going to do stuff all but get good file footage for the news networks.If the action is to cull,tag or put up no kill nets on popular beaches is the answer is not for the likes of me to decide.All i know is it is only a matter of time until it happens again and again,maybe even again before xmas this year.I have always said to leave them be but i feel i may have been wrong on this one and if one of my family was taken from now on from the non action from the powers that be i would be laying some hurt down on every one of them i could find before they arrested me or took all my fishing gear off me.Just my opinion that is changing after each attack.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
mitch
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RIP
RIP
quindieselbrad
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another chilling remider that
another chilling reminder that we are in their back yard so expect to encounter 1 eventually.i will now buy a shark shield but would like to see better technology so u dont get zapped by the very thing thats tryin to protect u........
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bod
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a week before the Cottesloe attack
Just came across this article in PerthNow from 1st October, a week or so before Bryn Martin disappeared off Cottesloe.
Diver tells of eye-to-eye with sharkHERE'S TO LOOKING AT YOU: The picture of the shark taken in Cockburn Sound by Joe Petrovich. Source: PerthNow
THIS 4m great white shark could still be lurking in Cockburn Sound.
Shortly before being photographed from a boat, the shark had "propped" within centimetres of Joe Petrovich's spear gun while he and mate Jacques DeVilliers dived for pink snapper last month, about 3km from Alcoa jetty.
After the two divers had scrambled back on board, Mr Petrovich, a Recfishwest board member, put a camera underwater and took the snap as the monster glided past. It then followed behind their outboard motor for a further 20 minutes.
"It came up when we were in the water and was within centimetres of the point of my spear gun," Mr Petrovich said.
"I actually pulled the gun back a bit because I didn't want to annoy it, because you know what happens when you annoy a shark.
"It just propped and stared at me. I could see one black eye. It was so black it looked like something out of a zombie movie.
"I'm pretty sure it was calculating whether I was worth the trouble to have a nibble at or not.
"I've seen whites before, but not like this, not this close up. This is the first time we've bumped into a white there.
"But we did see a lot more sharks (while) diving this year. Bronze whalers or some sort of whaler ... we've put that down to the water temperature being a lot warmer this year."
Department of Fisheries shark researcher Rory McAuley has responded to concerns raised by boating and fishing enthusiasts of a "resident" great white in Cockburn Sound.
He backed the view of The Sunday Times fishing writer Scott Coghlan that a resident predator was unlikely because sharks were migratory. Dr McAuley said sharks might come to an area at the same time each year because of a food source, but it was unlikely to be the same sharks.
Fishermen have reported an increase in close encounters and sightings in recent weeks, following the fatal attack on bodyboarder Kyle Burden near Dunsborough on September 4.
In another incident 2km north of the sound last Saturday, a 5m great white circled the boat of amateur fisherman Steve Waddingham about 400m from shore in front of the old South Fremantle power station.
On September 14, water police were told that a 5m great white had been seen near Alcoa power station in the sound.
Surf Life Saving WA beach patrols started yesterday but aerial shark patrols won't begin for a fortnight.
scotto
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um, yeah...
that was actually posted on here by fishing fanatic, well before perthnow got it...
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/berly-works-wonders
bod
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oops
apologies, I missed that thread. The title doesn't give much of a hint of the incredible story within. mindblowing stuff. Respect.
Reefmonkey
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Spooky
Same time as the third last paragraph, I spent about an hour bobbing around relaxing on the surface at the end of Robbs jetty in 2 meter vis looking after a bunch of club divers bubbles. only a few hundred meters from the boat. spooky when you read that the following week in the sunday times.
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Very scary shit. Sounds like
Very scary shit. Sounds like a big old lazy white that's too slow to catch prey.It does need to be shot but how do you identify the exact shark? If it's not an old fella and the fatal attacks over the last couple of weeks by different sharks then the authorities have a major problem on how to manage this.No easy answers here and my condolences to the families involved.
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sarcasm0
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?
'Police spokesman Gerry Cassidy said witnesses on the boat told police they had seen the shark, which they described as a 3m white pointer.'
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/shark-attack-in-rotto/comments-e6frg13u-1226173885712
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R.I.P :(
R.I.P :(
Forever learning with fishing
scotto
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that has to be it for mr G. White now....
another life pointlessly lost.
surely the government has to do something about them now. the proof that their numbers are increasing, is well and truely obvious.
anyone and everyone that has mentioned shark tagging is oblivious to the problem. there is no way you can viably/financially/realistically tag these things, that roam an area 5 times the size of australia. even if you could tag them, then what??? sing a happy tune until he wants to go away??? fark off.
take these things off the endangered list. fark it, sell tickets to catch them. but seriously, they need to be culled.
tailor marc
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I was fishing at floreat
I was fishing at floreat drain and took this pic at 1.15pm around the time of the attack. You wouldnt get me in the water in these conditions ever. Very overcast and even quite warm...
Floreat drain by Marc Russo (Australia), on Flickr
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quindieselbrad
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i understand scottos
i understand scottos pain/anger but im sure that the increase shark sitings are due to increased numbers of ppl on the water as perth becomes bigger and more popular with water sports.
eg more ppl fishd for snapper this yr in perth than any other yr ive noticed so it would make sense that shark sightings are more possible
and if more ppl are in the water diving,swimming,surfing etc, there are more chance someone will encounter 1....
the sharks were always there imo and yes the increased tragedys only makes me want a shark shield more...
dont cull em
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snappermiles
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even if the government wanted to start to kill these sharks
after an attack it would never happen as there are to many greeny bastards that we should just sit by and let more humans be killed not to mention the way the government is ruled by the greens! i see it this way (my own opinion) have you ever had some food that you didnt really like?? but it keeps getting served up to you so you continue to eat it and slowly it grows on you till its your favourite food! do ytou think this could be what is happening with this/these sharks??
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hlokk
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Highly unlikely. Not only are
Highly unlikely. Not only are humans way too bony for great whites to be a good food source, there simply arent enough attacks for them to 'get a taste'. There have been 7 in the last 10 years. Even if its less than 7 sharks doing it, thats a long time between meals. It would be hard to start liking a food you hated if you only ever had it once. Although great whites are quite intelligent for sharks, and very inquistive, I dont think they have the cognitive ability to really go seeking out a "food" they had months or years ago. It would require too much memory and foreplanning for it to be likely. Perhaps at most one would have, but still pretty unlikely. Besides, very few people are completely eaten by great whites. Death is usually caused by blood loss after a bite. Because great whites are so inquisitive and they lack hands, the only thing they can "test" stuff with is their mouth, and that isnt very safe to humans unfortunately. Once bitten, they dont tend to keep biting and try to eat the person. If they were getting a taste for it, you think they would actually attempt to eat humans more often.
bitten
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solution:free hand
solution:
free hand transplants for all great whites
they could just jerk us off instead
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here is another post on perth now
http://www.perthnow.com.au/time-to-cull-these-killers/story-fn6cmyjj-1226173903033
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tailor marc
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more seals aound these day,
more seals aound these day, more whales, more snapper spawing thanks to hard snapper laws all mean more great whites numbers. I recon the number will just keep going up
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Jamos Damokos
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agreed.
agreed.
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Billybuchman
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Exactly
More NZ fur seals around than ever before.....increased food source = more things eating them
Collateral damage - more people in the water being 'handled'
Ringy35
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very sad..... but here we go
very sad..... but here we go again!! leave these poor things alone! was watching river monsters last night which reminded me of the dangers of hippos.. no one wants to kill all of them, very sad times but culling is not the answer..
Feral
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Couldnt agree more .. its
Couldnt agree more .. its there environment .. so respect it .. if you want to kill something go hang a few mass murderers like Martin byrant (spelling) .. we should know better but the shark is just looking for food
WADRay
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If we see one on the next
If we see one on the next dive Ima stick my knife in your femeral artery and then see how you feel about it looking for a feed.
But on a more serious note let the hillbilly red neck dip wits think what they want, Reality is that they will never get their way and hopefully a few of them will have heart attacks and die from jumping up and down about it so much. (world would be a better place for it)
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never get their way?
"Today, for the first time in WA history, Fisheries Minister Norman Moore issued a directive for fisheries officers to trap and kill the beast in a bid to protect public safety.
It comes as:
*Premier Colin Barnett said he would consider allowing commercial fishermen to increase their catches of shark along the WA coastline in a bid to reduce numbers.
*The government said it would consider mass shark culls and aerial patrol of the Rottnest coast."
couldnt be more my way if it tried WADray.
huck huck.
spooledagain
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When swimming with in the
When swimming with in the ocean as many have said, one runs the risk of getting taken. It does seem like there are a lot more sharks around these days, but still in my opinion culling is not the answer, and at the moment until someone can find a medium there is no real solution. Regardless of what happens, if any action is taken which is unlikely, it wont please everyone but hey thats life.
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So Sad for the family and RIP
Sad +++ to hear about this challenge in Dreams. Havent read about this at all but it again highlight in my opinion. This is one Rogue (perhaps) and old and ( like my 17yo) lazy. Easy target easy meal. ID the bugger, track it and it will be done.
An yes I am a Doc (tried to hide that over the years), and yes I have a few beers when I can and yes overall I am a greenies worst nightmare potentialy, but as a fishing Fanatic I am 100% behind what sin needed in the overall scheme but shove a SAD rather than a SAR (sorry Search and destroy vs " "SA rescue).
But now inthe SW corner I say enough is enough. Tag and let 9 ODD DAYS gey
]o, see better results next
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Colin's gonna get it..
Fisheries are hunting it down to kill...condolences to the family
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ahh old barnett will cop iti
ahh old barnett will cop it
i thought for a second you were refering to colin ostle the old fisheries shark hunter
winner winner chicken dinner
out wide
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I have to agree with scotto
Surely this is the end point of the bleeding heart types bullshit leave them alone crap.
If we want to play in the water then we must start to cull cause it will get worse.
What are we waiting for some kid to get torn to shreds.
southcity104
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media at it again!?
What or who is is "it"
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Jezza
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This is getting bloody
This is getting bloody ridiculous, cull the things. They need to take action soon, 2 attacks in 2 weeks
Feral
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Suppose you all want guns and
Suppose you all want guns and cars banned too .. ffs how many people die on our roads each year .. don't see you at the court house asking to ban drink drivers that kill people .. narrow minded
Lamby
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Nobody bashes an eyelid
Nobody bashes an eyelid chucking a dhuie, snapper, baldie or bit of flake in the icebox but mention culling a GW.... shit on a stick! The hypocrisy does make me laugh, is saving sharks in vogue or fashionable at the moment? I respect everyone's opinion on the matter & it looks set to divide mates, family etc. but let's not lose sight of the bigger picture here. Condolences to this man's family on a tragic loss
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What annoys me Lamby is the
What annoys me Lamby is the kneejerk reaction to kill every bloody shark because of whats happened.I fish to kill and eat and respect the management rules put in place to sustain the stocks. That's the difference.And btw I believe in capital punishment for humans as they are well aware of their actions sharks only doing what they do. As I said earlier in this thread sounds like an old slow shark so should be shot if that's the case.
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Lamby
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Yes mate I probably agree
Yes mate I probably agree with the latter half of your post & I never mind a difference of opinion, what a boring world if we all thought the same. Couldn't agree more on capital punishment of humans especially those whom do untold damage to young innocents eg. paedophiles, child abusers etc, let those phucker's swing not only for what they have perpetrated but also for the untold damage about to come.
I am all for equilibrium with fisheries & sustainability, nothing wrong IMO to cull a few whites which is nothing on the drastic scale which people always seem to perceive & start chucking the red neck term around.
snappermiles
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shoot to kill has been ordered by barnett
It has been reported that lines have been set in the area and that a gun has been taken on one of the boats with a shoot to kill order from Barnette.
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chris raff
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How many people driving a car today
compared to the amount of swimmers in metro waters today..pro rata that for a comparison...I just hope our metro waters which is also part of our backyard...will be safe for beachgoers in the future years...so hopefully someone really really smart can work a way for this to happen and keep everyone happy
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personal
Keep the personal attacks out of it fellas, those comments have been removed.
RIP to the family.
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snappermiles
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here is the latest
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/shark-attack-in-rotto/story-e6frg13u-1226173885712
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crasny1
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I hate to say this again and again
Its a rogue. ID it (please) and let it be done. IMO it IS one only. Dont just blame the lot. But get rid of the old girl (at the reported sightings it has to be) because males are smaller.
But dont blast away at the whole population. Eg just because I am having a small fight ATM with the Mrs dont kill all females. LOL.
I have a slanted view because a mate is involved, doesnt change the view. Mate you can post your side off things and tell how YOU feel.
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It's very sad, a bloke out
It's very sad, a bloke out having fun get's eaten, sharks don't even like humans, but it's too late when they are big.
Condolences to all concerned.
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Totally agree lamby, but as
Totally agree lamby, but as other people have said if a dog attacks someone, no questions asked it gets put down, and thats just an attack not a death.
MROCKS
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gws
The thing with dog attacks is it usually bred into them by humans, where as with sharks its there nature
Lamby
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Bullshit IMO!I have a dog
Bullshit IMO!
I have a dog that's nature is to fight / kill in order to survive which is exactly the same as a shark. However yes I can train my dog to reign in this instinct but with a shark we can't do that.
I don't mean to offend mate but poor comparison in my mind
Grunter
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If we want to play in the water
and we all understand that they are there and have been for a lot longer than us.I have fished all of my life and spent countless hours when i was younger in the ocean surfing or diving always understanding the risks of entering there domain.The day that sharks start walking up Hay st and biting people is the day we should start culling them.I have no problems at all if it is proven that this shark is a rogue then it needs to be removed but to start (culling all of them) for one's mistakes is like blaming all of us for a crime that only one of us has committed.Just my opinion.
81macca
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Pisses me off
Pisses me off people relating shark fatalities to other crap like dogs, bikes, cars and fricken bees. These sharks are amazing creatures but people are dieing regulary because of the things. Its changing our habits and life style something needs to be done. Too many dogooder greeny types out there, as I have brought up before theres no drama killing a big demersal and posting photos of it, personally I'd prefer to see a photo of this massive beast hanging from a gantry. Good call Barnet maybe a little late as they had the chance to kill the shark that took Brian Guest.
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wombat78
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a few attitudes have changed
a few attitudes have changed from the other day i was called a country hick for saying kill some of them
scotto
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same here mate.
and its all humble pie for them now.
randall df223
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I am not a greenie, but I say
I am not a greenie, but I say LEAVE THEM ALONE, NO CULLING. We are invading their space.
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snappermiles
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but you are a country hick adrian haha
this one has to be caught and then opened up to see if there are any remains left in it!
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randall df223
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Disagree
What will that prove, this shark took the unfortunate diver. We know that the diver was taken by a shark. What if we find a shark and kill it and it's stomach is empty? what a waste of a magnificent (although dangerous and scary) creature. We kill this one, next year another comes along... and then another... perhaps we need to think about more effective warning / prevention systems that will provide safer areas to swim and dive, where we don't interact so closely with dangerous sharks. Until then, if you don't want to get eaten by a great white or any other type of shark, don't swim where they may be. It is a tragedy this man has lost his life. But the is not the shark's fault.
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snappermiles
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it may tell you it has killed not only this bloke
but the cottesloe bloke as well! more may come along but they wont already have a taste for humans! (IF) this is the same shark its got a taste and its liking it
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i'm sure the family would
i'm sure the family would like to get all the remains back??
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Yes and I was also despite being a Quack
Sort off accused off being a slayer on previous posts and I am not. I try as much as I can within out knowledge base to stop terminal harm or morbidity, but I would be a fool to think we had it down as perfect as this sounds. We shouldnt amputated the "wrong" leg here would we, and that is my fear.
The views have changes Wombat, and I certainly wouldnt wanted the role as the "Hang Man" but it is time to sort out the "Crim" an eliminate (But not the wrong) one.
Neels
"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk
Caza
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Date Joined: 05/01/11
I agree with you fully
I agree with you fully Randall the shark wasn't thinking there's a diver ill eat him he saw food and why should it be killed for its primal instinct to eat its very unfortunate of what has happened and condolence to the family members R.I.P
My names mark and i'm addicted to fishing
dan1
Posts: 379
Date Joined: 11/07/07
one point
proves that protecting them makes the stockes go up same would happen with our dermisal fish if we protected them but how long is too long to keep them more protected there stocks are definatly back in numbers we need to do something with them its is getting worse
West Coast
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Date Joined: 10/12/07
Rogue
Certainly sounds similar in size to the recent death off Cott, but definitely a lot smaller to the one seen in footage of Ken Crew, the footage of the Rockingham death, the reports of the Abrolhos tragedy and the recent boogie border off Bunkers. As for this one being old and on the lookout for an easy meal..not so sure about that as it was only approx 10 foot. Surprised that a 10 foot shark would have a go at a scuba diver...with the tank, fins and bubbles etc...wouldn't have thought it would be so game. Pretty alarming.
I personally can't understand all the sympathy for the GW. Can't see much difference to the hundreds of reports and photos on this site...except GW's are much bigger, have a mean set of teeth and ,despite comments to the contrary, obviously don't mind eating people. I don't think there is any coincidence to the fact that they have been protected since the mid 90's and the alarming rise in attacks and sightings.
I have been on a recent shark diving trip off South Australia that was attended by a scientist and people who were supposedly experts on the GW. They had their heads so far up their backside it wasn't funny. They viewed every shark as though they were their own children. The thought of ever killing one horrified them. Whenever I presented an argument such as rogue shark or an explanation into the rise in recent deaths, the fall back argument was always 'show me the statistical evidence that backs up your argument'....but whenever I asked for the statistical evidence that refutes my arguement, it was never forthcoming. They even said that there is no statistical eveidence to suggest that there has been an increase in attacks/deaths. They should be in bloody politics.
rockoe_
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Date Joined: 02/09/10
rest in peace
i have dived for the last couple of years. i have seen plenty of sharks but never a white.if you cant handle the fact that they are out there and theres a small precentage that you may get taken, find a swimming pool and swim in that.i dont see how cullin sharks is the answer fuck me were in australia not america.if anything bring back smokies so that divers and spearos have some what of an opption. i do feel for the friends and family of the guy that got taken but he would of know the risk he took going out in the water.at the end of the day it could happen to someone in the swan river
Oracle
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Date Joined: 22/11/10
I was diving there today also...
and I'm all for the "leave the shark alone" policy. A week ago after the attack at Cots, I asked my wife to make sure if I ever got taken by a shark to try to make sure it wasn't hunted and killed. I'm all for the protection of these animals but maybe we need to look at it for a second as we've had two attacks close together. Could this one be injured and that's why it's hunting slower prey? maybe not kill it yet, but hunt adn trap it. Check it out, try to learn.
Couple of things from today though.
1. one of my dives was at Roe reef. Only cause when we got to little armstrong bay, I also had the same "looks a bit sharky" feeling and headed for a shallower dive in 15 meters. Im sure this was more the overcast, rain, first dive in 4 months with a last second plan to go diving at all.
2. Whales - there was a pod in 13 meters just off shore at the bay with a calf. Maybe that attracted it?
3. The water on that side was COLD!!!!! The southernside was clearly warmer as we dived there also
4. no fish - outside of the bullseyes, there was bugger all. Never seen it so bare. Maybe something to do with it.
we finished our second dive at just after 2.00pm and I was even getting frustrated at the amount of boats driving directly overhead while i had a dive flag up (now i know why) but at no stage did anyone come near us to warn us to don't go back in. There was a search plane in the air and just generally a lot going on. Just thought nothing of it. Vis was about 12 meters on northern side and much greater on southern so maybe the current was doing crazy stuff too.
At one stage at Roe, I even had that "thought I saw something" out of the corner of my eye and wrote it off to maybe the sun against the hull reflecting down or something. Roe Reef and a big shark never entered my mind.
I was however wearing my beloved shark shield!
To the gentleman who didn't go home today - RIP!
hooty
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Date Joined: 25/05/10
You do read a lot of bullshit
You do read a lot of bulshit when this sort of things happen.
The victim didnt want the shark harmed if they were ever taken by a shark. Well the last bloke taken at warnbro was screaming help as he was dragged backwards. What did he want people to do rub its belly. At that moment he would have been happy for some to kill it.
It was an overcast day, visibility was down.Here is an apex hunter and it cant see or sence in low visibility conditions. The fact is its 3 tonnes of muscle controlled by a brain smaller than a golf ball.What they dont eat at night? If its hungry when its near you it will probably have a go.
They will probably kill the wrong shark. Well are they a species that is close to being extinct and need protection or not. If they are that common you think you might catch another one in the immediate area youve got to ask the question. These are ocean going sharks and no one spends enough money or time to have good enough science about the speicies. There are certainly more about now in the sounds than 20 years ago. Plenty of snapper blokes around then, ask them how many saw a white, none I bet. With there really slow growth rate you woulndnt expect the population to grow that much in such a short time.
Its there domain, you should expect the risk. Normally made by someone who spends little or no time on the ocean. Not to disimilar to the green lot who have probably never held a fishing line in their life having such a disproportionate say on our fishing activities. Persons like myself who love to fish, dive,crab and swim with my children as I did with my parents have some real concerns about the situation. When a child gets taken off one of the many floating platforms provided for the public on the edge of deep water, is that an acceptable risk.
Rogue or Injured shark. Tonnes of muscle with razor teeth and a brain as big as a golf ball, that gets confused when its low visibility, get real.
scotto
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an
excellent post.
well said.
damo6230
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Date Joined: 07/06/08
Live Life
But consider the risks of such
Condolences to the familiy as a death is never welcome but unfortunately it's a reality of life as an infinite organism.
EVERY action/thought/process/decision has a reaction in life.
To dive has many, not only the prospects of a shark attack, but the prospects of many others; the technical aspects of diving, and its apparatus, incorporates one to consider the sports technical aspects at every moment and you are trained to plan your dive every time, and accordingly requires one to be trainned and authorised and tested before you can get your dive ticket.
And remember FISHING is the most dangerous sport in Australia. Thats based purely on STATISTICS. Think about that in your comments!
Legally if you have a car accident and even if it was not your fault, you are apportioned some degree of responsibilty for the very fact that you were in the accident and that driving has inherent dangers. That's a fact! I know as I was recently awarded compensation as I was hit by a car while riding my mountain bike that failed to stop at a stop sign. I was told such by both my lawyer and the compensator.
I just went fishing yesterday, planned the trip, did all the pre-trip maintenance checks, logged in. Was 80km from the ramp out in the Kimberley wilderness and the motor cut out......I got hit with bad fuel......managed to clear the problem in an hour. Called sea rescue and advised of the situation and headed home leaving the Barra on fire. Who do I blame...... no one, it's a fact of life but we got out this time. I did everything possible to minimise the risks before I left but it still happened. Life has inherent risk!
Culling is not the answer!
PattyT
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Date Joined: 15/08/10
Condolences to the family.Not
Condolences to the family.
Not to sure where I sit on this, if they can find the shark that did it I dont really have to much of a problem in it being killed.. proving it either way is going to be pretty damm hard though. Cant say I'm for just killing any old shark just because it was around at the time though for the the medias sake.. (hows that for fence sitting) Its a really tough subject though with some pretty interesting views on either side, can say im actually exhausted after reading this thread.
troy fuller
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Date Joined: 30/08/10
If this shark can be
If this shark can be positively identified then it should be put to rest, very interesting what comes out of this, how many sharks they might end up killing to try find the culprit.
But then again, how hard is it going to be, finding the shark/s that killed these people? it's not going to happen unless it attacks again and they keep track of it. The amount of sharks that could be out there, be very lucky to find the one that has killed.
They should track the sharks they can find around the attack areas and see where they move and if there is another attack you would clearly see what shark is the culprit.
culling isn't the answer, we are in there backyard.
just my opinion, they should invest some money into learning about these sharks instead of killing them, they might kill the shark but sooner of later another shark will come.
bull
Posts: 83
Date Joined: 28/03/11
spot on
roberta, fisheries need to have a mass berly up.Get half a cow and go wide for a week or so and tag as many GW as posible. It would be expensive but a better option to culling that is sensless.We need to no where as many are as possible so the public can be notified if one comes close to shore .
Then if there is a rogue a discission needs to be made to ping it or not .Condolences to the family of attack victim.Havent watched the news for last couple of days so didnt even know.The amount of attacks are bloody freaky,i hope it's a very short phase in history.
my 2 cents worth.
jigsaw
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Date Joined: 30/07/11
6 traps set
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/police-name-rotto-shark-victim/story-e6frg15c-1226174344234
with video of shark off Rotto
Today, six individual traps had been set to trap the killer shark.
The traps are being used for the first time in WA.
The traps, each weighed down by a heavy anchor, have a baited hook floating hear the surface in an effort to entice the shark.
Department of Fisheries spokesman Tony Cappelluti said no sharks had been spotted off the island this morning.
He said a decision would be made soon on whether to leave the traps in the ocean or remove them.
"It's a line set-up, so each set of gear has a baited hook . . . they are quite robust with large floats on the top and a heavy anchor on the bottom."
Mr Cappelutti said two Department of Fisheries vessels were monitoring the equipment until early this afternoon.
"They are not actually patrolling at the moment. We will make contact with the masters of the vessels to see if there has been any sitings or any action ariound those lines.
Swan River Fisher
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Date Joined: 03/05/11
They shouldn't kill it- its
They shouldn't kill it- its pointless
If they catch the wrong shark and open its gut to look for bones and its not the right one then thats just a waste of an innocent shark.
We're in their territory so we play by their rules. Its like going to africa and getting eaten by a lion- its not their fault you were approaching on their territory.
I will be very disappointed if it is culled.
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On the other hand, my heart goes out to the divers family
RIP mate
squidder
Posts: 457
Date Joined: 03/09/10
Another
political reaction IMO.
To hunt down and "Atempt" to kill a shark of that size with a so called High powered shotgun, didn't know there was such a thing,sadly the they will ,as stated, get the wrong creature.
Burly it/them up and put satelite transmitters on them so we can track them.
Why has no mentioned that there might be a shortage of natural food for these magnificent creatures forcing them to diversify possibly from overfishing.
fishy fingers
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Date Joined: 28/04/07
not likley to find human bones
as previously stated they dont "eat" but bite them, chances are they spit it out
no real way of telling if it's the right one
till
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Haha not sure I'd buy in on
Haha not sure I'd buy in on that one. That bodyboarder got more than a taste.
squidder
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Fishy Fingers
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=shark%20guts%20remains&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.adultswim.com%2Ft5%2FBabbling%2FHuman-remains-found-in-tiger-shark-s-guts%2Ftd-p%2F56364084&ei=t_-jTrTyCsKsiAfa68TWBg&usg=AFQjCNEqG6zGUSFgepDqcYxvZIap2QfITg
fishy fingers
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ok
Maybe I should have said dont NORMALY eat humans given that MOST people dont get completely eaten ie they bite then leave just because they dont always find all the remains doesent mean they where eaten