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Feel for Brayshaw getting Ko'd but don't think Maynard has anything to worry about.

That last quarter had me swearing at the umps for not seeing or not acting on the obvious frees that weren't awarded but thankfully time ran out for the Demons .

Don't know where they would be if Gawn goes missing, he carried them for the whole game


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He's cooked

Fri, 2023-09-08 11:33

 

Bedford got booked last week for not making head high contact and had to go to court to overturn the MRP decision. So if Maynard doesn't get booked it'll be a farce.  That's not to say I agree that should happen as it's clear the primary intent was to spoil the ball, but leaving the ground, dropping the shoulder to protect yourself and flushing someone in the face with it, knocking them out stone cold and forcing them to miss the next 2 weeks under concusion protocols is sure to draw the ire of the MRP.  Head high, reckless and High impact cannot be a "nothing to see" scenario the way they adjudicate these things today. 

Very average show from the pies supporters whilst Brayshaw was out cold too. 

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 Summed up well, as soon as

Fri, 2023-09-08 13:29

 Summed up well, as soon as the arm was tucked in and connected with the head you are gone, three weeks will be about right. Would,nt expect much less from the pies supporters, would have been a few loose tooths getting thrown about.

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 Lol I swear I saw some spat

Sat, 2023-09-09 09:50

 Lol I swear I saw some spat out in the crown on TV. He's deffinitely gone. 

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Pies are definitely the real

Fri, 2023-09-08 15:13

Pies are definitely the real deal!

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 Pies really looked good. I

Fri, 2023-09-08 19:27

 Pies really looked good. I went over and watched them play Brisbane and wasn't convinced after that game but looks like they have settled. 

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Brayshaw had ample

Mon, 2023-09-11 09:43

Brayshaw had ample opportunity to avoid contact IMO, Maynard was in the air attempting to spoil, he cant be held responsible for others' inability to get out of the way surely? Plus he had a helmet on so deserves to get hit! Haha, AFL has been unwatchable for years now and it seems like nothing will change anytime soon unfortunately.

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 I think the Maynard thing

Mon, 2023-09-11 11:00

 I think the Maynard thing will go as long as the Pies do in the finals. If they make the GF it'll still be getting argued in court. Hard to see him getting off.

Pies looked bloody good as did the Blues. Brisbane were very good but they always are at home.

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I am bias

Mon, 2023-09-11 11:26

 I am obviously a little bias given that I am a Collingwood supporter but except for Simon Goodwin, I don't think I have heard a football personality indicating that they think it should be a reportable offence. I don't think there was any intent to even initiate body contact in the initial jump/smother attempt, however unfortunately that is what it resulted in. The alternative to turning and bracing for impact which would ne a natural instinct in a split second was to leave himself wide open either risking a head clash or copping it in the ribs. 

The difference I see with with almost all other "careless" gradings is that in all instances, the initial intent of the action was to to initiate body contact in some way usually either through a bump or a tackle. You even look back at the Patrick Cripps suspension getting overturned last year and in that instance, even at high speed, the action was to take the body. I honestly don't think Maynard has a case to answer for.  

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 Not saying I disagree but I

Mon, 2023-09-11 12:40

 Not saying I disagree but I think it will be a very hot topic, particularly given the outcomes for Brayshaw.

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 I agree that it was entirely

Mon, 2023-09-11 14:03

 I agree that it was entirely a footy move and there was initially no intentional impact but once the head is knocked and the bloke is having a nap, they need to live up to their word about protecting the head.

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I agree

Mon, 2023-09-11 15:12

 I agree with that where there is intent to initiate body contact, but not where that intent didn't exist to begin with. The charge is "Rough Conduct" which is defined as been "interpreted widely in relation to any conduct which is unreasonable in the circumstances. It is a reportable offence to intentionally or carelessly engage in rough conduct against an opponent which in the circumstances is unreasonable."

Nowhere in the rules does it say that concussion automatically results in a suspension and "Careless" means that the player wasn't contesting the ball in a reasonable way, or the impact could be reasonably foreseen and caused by circumstances within the players control. I think he comfortably argues himself out of suspension on the basis that it was absolutely a reasonable act to try and affect the smother and the resulting headhigh contact could not be reasonably foreseen.... 

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 Tucked the shoulder in and

Mon, 2023-09-11 14:11

 Tucked the shoulder in and made high contact. Gone for a few weeks. 

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Ground

Mon, 2023-09-11 16:20

 He was off the ground before Brayshaw kicked the ball so it was Brayshaw who could have avoided the contact  not Maynard.

Also heard the argument about duty of care, if Brayshaw was at a higher risk of concussion than other players then should he have not been there, after all your responsibility is to yourself before the health of others?

 

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 Maynard could have twisted

Tue, 2023-09-12 10:00

 Have a real good look at the video, Maynard could have twisted the other way and avoided contact. He chose to drop his right shoulder. 

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 Pretty sure there has been a

Mon, 2023-09-11 16:47

 Pretty sure there has been a lot of commentary the last few years about players leaving the ground and if they choose to do so and make high contact they are gone. Wouldn't have mattered who he connected with it would have put them on their arses with the same result. Maybe he needed to not tuck his arm in, might have been a different result for both players.

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If you choose to bump

Mon, 2023-09-11 17:29

Yes that is correct if you choose to leave the ground and bump. If two players contest a mark and clash heads and are both knocked out should they both be charged and suspended? The severity is straight out the window if the action isn't "rough conduct" or considered "careless". I'd imagine Collingwood will likely have fairly good lawyers who should successfully be able to argue this! The tucked shoulder doesn't look great in slow motion but I don't think that will be considered unreasonable from the time he was in mid air and then realised he needed to brace for contact...... we shall see I guess but I think the fact that just about every afl personality has said that there is nothing in it will also play in Maynard's favour 

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 Hmmm that wasn't Schofield's

Mon, 2023-09-11 20:30

 Hmmm that wasn't Schofield's line of thinking onthe radio tonight. He definitely thinks Maynard has a case to answer, but it's all subjective and speculative atm. Will be very interesting to see what the tribunal comes up with, there's only so much you can polish a turd imo. 

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Agreed!

Tue, 2023-09-12 07:19

It's definitley all subjectivae and speculative at the moment and agree that he has a case to answer. Maybe I am just been hopeful but all the talk that it is a "definitie suspension" just because a player is knocked out simply isn't written in the rules. There first needs to be a reportable offence commited which for a careless act has to be considered unreasonable and foreseeable. The tucked shoulder in my opinion will be the main point of conjecture as to whether it is considered reasonable or unreasonable and whether that was a legitimate brace to protect himself. There is no doubt in my mind that the initial attempt to smother was completely realistic and reasonable and you couldnt foresee in that attempt that it was going to result in the impact that it did.

In all honesty, even if the tables were turned I would never think that this was a suspendible offence but I guess we will find out tonight!

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I recon he will get 3 weeks,

Tue, 2023-09-12 08:46

I recon he will get 3 weeks, the toothless brigade will be up in arms..including Uncle, Buckley and Eddie with the media smashing it for a few more days..weeks.

The appeal will be successful due to insufficient evidence, lack of camera angles maybe, with the sentence reduced to two weeks freeing him to play the GF should they make it.

West Coast 7 will get Gaff to comment, Nik nat too even though his throw on Karl Amon had fk all to do with it.

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 Uncle and big john are

Tue, 2023-09-12 10:03

 Uncle and big john are lurking in the background Brock O, they must be clamping at the bit to comment but uncle has cracked the shits with us lot of pie haters..

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The untalented brother

Tue, 2023-09-12 11:32

Billy, you're going as hard as the untalented Brayshaw brother. Pity he didn't go that hard when he was on the Eagles list.

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To be fair he appears to have

Thu, 2023-09-14 12:59

To be fair he appears to have a better jaw than both his brothers lol

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Jaw

Thu, 2023-09-14 13:36

 Certainly sticks it out asking for it to get hit    but pulls it back in quick smart when decisions don't go as he would have liked 

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Asleep at the helm

Tue, 2023-09-12 13:53

You've been trolling for days Billy, finally the grander comes up in the spread and you miss it. Gold. 

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 Didn't need to reply as I

Tue, 2023-09-12 14:48

 Didn't need to reply as I got the response I wanted and was laughing too much to tap the keyboard. You would have to be a black grander wouldn't you? Definately not a blue, although won as many cups recently.

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Billy, billy, billy

Tue, 2023-09-12 15:06

You did say it, just another Pie hater. I'm an equal opportunity supporter, I hate every other team. 

 

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 I should correct myself, not

Tue, 2023-09-12 15:11

 I should correct myself, not just pies but victorian teams in general. and freo

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Dees

Sat, 2023-09-16 10:01

C'mon Billy, as a Victorian hater I can't believe you're not drilling the Dees.

Straight sets, two years in a row, lost their last four finals at the G.

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 You out trolling for bills

Sat, 2023-09-16 10:59

 You out trolling for bills today, seriously don't give a shit about the results as long as there's 2 non vfl teams in the grand final, if that happens might take the sat dish and tv up the river, but the barra will be more important.

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Few

Sat, 2023-09-16 11:20

Hopefully you get onto a few. Not sure if Slugger is bringing the Ugg boots up, I think it should be warm enough to do without.

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Warming up nicely now.We will

Sat, 2023-09-16 11:36

Warming up nicely now.We will look after him with a cosy fire just in case and try not to get him drunk.

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 Be a bit dangerous to get

Tue, 2023-09-12 10:41

 Be a bit dangerous to get Nic Nat to comment. Has he been seen in anything except wearing black and white since he announced his retirement? Even his lap of honour he was wearing Collingwood colours. 

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 Swan Districts next year if

Tue, 2023-09-12 11:08

 Swan Districts next year if he is fit.....Agree he should have been in club colour for his fairwell.

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 There has been a lot of talk

Tue, 2023-09-12 13:03

 There has been a lot of talk over the years that the AFL has a habit of protecting Victorian clubs, particularly when in sight of the big dance. This will be an interesting case to watch as they would definitely want "their" clubs to be there on the big day. I don't really care who wins the flag this year so long as it's a good GF. I doubt the AFL feels the same way.

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 After last year's garbage

Tue, 2023-09-12 13:49

 After last year's garbage they'd be hoping for a good one. 

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Never

Tue, 2023-09-12 13:55

Never worked in the Pies favour. Just ask J Cloke and A Rocca. 

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 In breaking news magpies are

Tue, 2023-09-12 18:08

 In breaking news magpies are now considered a protected species....

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Not Guilty

Tue, 2023-09-12 18:18

 Maynard has been found not guilty and rightly so

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Good

Tue, 2023-09-12 18:19

One for the good guys John.  

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 Pretty fair really its not

Tue, 2023-09-12 18:46

 Pretty fair really its not Maynards fault Braydhaw has already had too many concussions and any slight tap will put him out. I'm no Collingwood supporter by far but you could hardly call it a hit.

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 A full flight shoulder to

Wed, 2023-09-13 05:55

 A full flight shoulder to his head. That slight tap would have put most players out. Open season in the finals now.

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 So much for protecting the

Tue, 2023-09-12 19:09

 So much for protecting the player with the ball, oh well open season for snipers like Maynard. 

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It's a win for the game and

Tue, 2023-09-12 20:15

It's a win for the game and commonsense decision. It is obvious that billcollector is just trolling and looking for a response but I can't tell if others legitimately believe that that was a reportable offence!

The notion that it was an act of a "sniper" is ridiculous and any player found in the same scenario in the future should rightly be able to defend their actions. Like I said earlier, it isn't written in the rules anywhere that a concussion automatically incurs a suspension and nor should it. Legitimate, unforeseen accidents are going to happen in the game and should not be punishable.

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 You could also extrapolate

Tue, 2023-09-12 20:31

 You could also extrapolate that into the real world, there are consequences for supposedly innocent actions. Back to my point what happens to the player with the ball that's menat to be protected. Anyway let's agree to disagree as this could go on like some shitty Covid thread ;) 

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Yes I certainly don't want to

Tue, 2023-09-12 20:53

Yes I certainly don't want to see the disagreement go down that path but would be interested in knowing where in the real world you could be found guilty of a crime without breaking a law? Sorry.... I'll leave it at that! 

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Match revue officer

Tue, 2023-09-12 20:26

 Read that the match revue officer wasn't going to lay charges but his boss took it upon herself to lay them, he very nearly told them to shove it because of someone trying to do his job for him

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 Oh well the AFL have now

Wed, 2023-09-13 11:26

 Oh well the AFL have now decided not to appeal the matter. As a one-eyed WCE supporter, just give us the two best teams and their best players for the GF!

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 Make it a free for all in

Wed, 2023-09-13 11:48

 Make it a free for all in the grand final.... Whats a couple of weeks off pre season.

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MRO is a joke anyway

Wed, 2023-09-13 11:55

 

Michael Christian is a joke of a MRO anyway,  zero consisteny in his entire tenure, the best result for everyone would have been if he'd followed through on his 3 year old tantrum and quit, can;t even remain consistent with his own rantings. Flog. 

This result now opens the door for every head high contact now being thrown out with the "I didn't mean to" argument. There's now a precedence which every club lawyer can refer to plain as day. No right minded club from here on in doesn't challenge pretty much any head high contact decision. At the same time the AFL has 60 past players bringing a class action against them for the ongoing effects of concussion. 

So as much as part of me says it's a common sense decision, the other part says here's your evidence in the case of the next 200 players who also start class ations in the future that the AFL did nothing to mitigate risk. Could be expensive to go to the footy in a few years covering the muti million doallar claims.  

Summary, there's no easy answer.

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Game now is santised

Wed, 2023-09-13 12:23

 Compared to what the game was like 20 plus years ago it bears little resemblance 

Head high tackles were the norm, Flatten Platten and you would stop Hawthorn was the go, Libba and Dippa both won Brownlow medals but one still wonders how, Barry Hall and Plugger were two that only someone with a death wish stood in front of, the list goes on

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 It's called duty of care,

Wed, 2023-09-13 13:31

 It's called duty of care, how many time do you see a player get put into the boundary fence nowadays.... pretty well never. The game has changed to protect the players welfare.

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 Well said Brad, my

Wed, 2023-09-13 12:26

 Well said Brad, my understanding is you leave the ground and make contact will the head you are gone. It was interesting that Wood said Maynard should have made the decision to not spoil the ball to avoid contact, don't know what planet he is on as McCrae would have ripped him a new arsehole if he didn't. The point I disagree with is the fact he braced and made contact with his shoulder to Brayshaws head. No brainer really.  Open slather now.

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Wed, 2023-09-13 12:52

 The price of diesel must have dropped significantly in Broome, you're still trolling that spread hard.

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 $2.50 a litre at the moment,

Wed, 2023-09-13 13:33

 $2.50 a litre at the moment, can't afford too much. Saving it for a trip up the river with the little fella, see if he can catch a barra.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Or they change the tribunal guidelines?

Wed, 2023-09-13 12:39

Or they have to change the tribunal guidelines to reflect this made up argument that keeps coming up that any concussion must result in a suspension.... But then presumably it couldn't only be applied to a player of the opposing team?? It would mean that Gary Rohan should have been charged for knocking out Jeremy Cameron? 

I'd suggest Michael Christian knew the definitions of "Rough Conduct" and "Careless" and knew the AFL wouldn't have a case which was why he didn't want to refer it. I'm assuming Laura Kane has then just tried to absolve the AFL of any wrongdoing by refering to an independent tribunal to make the decision. Interestingly the Tribunal chairmans words "we are not at all satisfied that a reasonable player would have foreseen that violent impact, or impact of the type suffered by Brayshaw, was inevitable or even likely" were almost identical to the exact statement I made yesterday. The notion that the argument was "i didn't mean to" and that this opens up the door for all head high contact (or slings/armed pinned tackles) to be thrown out is far fetched. 

I absolutely agree that in summary there is no easy answer to completely rubbing concussion out of the game short of making it a non contact sport, which funnily enough still wouldn't get rid of incidental contact. 

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 How many times over the last

Wed, 2023-09-13 13:26

 How many times over the last 5 years have you heard the commentators talk about head contact and the consequences for doing it?

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All the time!

Wed, 2023-09-13 13:50

I'm not disputing that it doesn't get talked about all the time. I am just saying exactly what is written in the Tribunal Guidelines which is what they are bound by to make their decision. If you want the outcome that you are after (suspension for any act that causes a concussion) then they need to re-write the guidelines to say that and change the definition of "careless" to just to say "any action whatsoever".

At that point, absolutely any action including marking contests, kicking the ball into somebodys head, friendly fire etc could be punishable by suspension..... Is that where I want to see the game? Certainly not! 

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Interesting comment

Wed, 2023-09-13 16:11

 

David Mundy made an interesting and I think relevant comment. If it was Scott Pendlebury he was going to make accidental contact with after the jump to smother (or any Pies player), would he still have braced and dropped the shoulder?  And that I think is the crux of it, no there was not intent, but he had a split second to decide to either minimise contact or not, and he chose not. 

 

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On expected scores

Fri, 2023-09-15 20:32

On expected scores ... 

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 RIP Ron Barassi 

Sat, 2023-09-16 16:41

 RIP Ron Barassi 

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Sat, 2023-09-16 17:10

 He will be remembered as a champion to the game, tough footballer and successful as a coach. R.I .P

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 GWS looked good.

Sun, 2023-09-17 06:13

 GWS looked good.

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Agreed!

Sun, 2023-09-17 08:02

They have been playing great footy for a few months now and not looking like letting up! I think they'll well and truly push Collingwood the way they are playing.

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 They did mate, Green is a

Sun, 2023-09-17 08:37

 They did mate, Green is a freak I've watched him the last few games, the shit he does is thatX factor thing. 

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Sun, 2023-09-17 17:31

 Giving the the Captaincy has curbed that bit of mongrel in him where he couldn't resist giving a backhander or short rib jab as he went past and hasn't slowed his game down

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 Agree stopped his sniping. 

Sun, 2023-09-17 18:38

 Agree stopped his sniping. 

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 I commented last night gws

Sun, 2023-09-17 18:18

 I commented last night gws have found some good shit to settle him down.

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 Ha ha ha 

Sun, 2023-09-17 18:37

 Ha ha ha 

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Can't help but feel the Pies

Fri, 2023-09-22 15:30

Can't help but feel the Pies are going to do this is a canter. Mihocek to kick 3

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How's the hearts Unc and John

Sat, 2023-09-23 08:07

How's the hearts Unc and John x2?

Great game mared by terrible umpiring at times. Pies 'deliberate' OOB... wtf, Toby and a Pies player getting decapitated, Cox being slung to the ground in the ruck contest in front of goal and no free, umpire throwing it up (rather than a throw in) after deeming the GWS kick was not on the full.

Pies were the better team for 3 quarters especially when they choked the GWS space and run allowing Moore, Quaynor and co to run amock off the half back line. On the flipside Daicos, Sidebottom and Pendles thrived in those tight clinches creating space with elite decision making when releasing the ball by hand or foot. De Goey simply bullocked his way through anything and I don't recall one tackle sticking.

That Toby goal from stoppage though where he created cms of space from Maynard to get on his left in heavy traffic!

Getting the Mrs onto a good Thermomix humble pie recipe just in case I need to eat a big ol' slice next weekend if the Pies don't pull a Collywobble 

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Buggered

Sat, 2023-09-23 10:46

 Was feeling buggered when the final siren went, kicking the legs and arm waving right through the whole game, I reckon the neighbours heard me abusing the umps more than twice but very relieved to come out on top to play again next week and not getting the mothballs out early

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 Summed up well frosty,

Sat, 2023-09-23 08:13

 Summed up well frosty, hopefully tonights game will be as close. Just get the pie made with some of those teeth lollies you used to be able to buy. I'm sure they will be available somewhere.

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 Ha ha ha ha Gold, geez they

Sat, 2023-09-23 10:53

 Ha ha ha ha Gold, geez they were feral last night. 

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 While Toby was very very

Sun, 2023-09-24 09:38

 While Toby was very very good he'll be not sleeping very well after his late snap on goal that sidebottom marked on the goal line. 

He had the time to steady and find a spare player.

I dispute the pies were better for 3 quarters, imo at best it was 50/50 and late in the game it seemed to me the umpires were woooed ( WC styles ) by the crowd in their decision making.

The 25m slap fwd by the GWS player along the boundary gaining territory in a pressure cooker finals situation was great play but a free kick was given to Collingwood for insufficient intent.  WTF

Brisbane deserve this one imo, they've been the better team late in the season when it matters.

Good luck to both teams and their supporters....

 

 

 

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 According to the vfl

Mon, 2023-09-25 08:06

 According to the vfl commentators GWS got thrashed.

What is the go with the umpires on saturday night throwing the ball up all of 2.5 metres and at 45 degree angle, the ruck had no chance of doing anything with the ball.

Mmm fishing the river or watching pies lose.....both will be enjoyable. Better take the sat dish.

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Don’t forget

Mon, 2023-09-25 17:06

Don't forget that new wooden spoon to stir the beef stew at camp mate. Slugger is also quite partial to Chardonnay so get that chilled as well.

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Spoons

Mon, 2023-09-25 20:13

 Better take 3 wooden spoons along because it looks like the girls are going to earn one this year to go with the 2 they already havefrom the AFL and WAFL teams

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 Won'y need a  spoon, Scotch

Tue, 2023-09-26 14:38

 Won't need a  spoon, Scotch fillets cooked to perfection with a fillet of Barra hopefully, won't be taking any of that gay wine he will have to harden up.

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 Fins UP Boys , 25 years is a

Tue, 2023-09-26 12:36

 Fins UP Boys , 25 years is a long wait but worth it YEE HA

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 Didn't see the Brissie/Blues

Wed, 2023-09-27 11:09

 Didn't see the Brissie/Blues game but enjoyed the Pies and Giants. I actually thought the Giants were the better team on the night but the scoreboard says otherwise! Both teams missed some chnaces but with only 1 point in it it's just a case of who is ahead when the siren goes. Yet again it shows that you don't right off this Collingwood team despite being well behind.

I thought the game was poorly umpired but more because of glaring free kicks that were missed rather than what was picked up. Don't think it really favoured one team overall, but again, with a 1 point margin who knows?

I just hope the GF is a cracker of a game as opposed to the recent duds! I'm on the Brissie train for a week but those Pies will be hard to beat at the G!

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 Especially with that feral

Wed, 2023-09-27 13:11

 Especially with that feral booing Dave.

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HAHAHA

Wed, 2023-09-27 13:18

You ever been to Optus Stadium Sea-kem?

 

 

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 I was actually thinking of

Wed, 2023-09-27 16:51

 I was actually thinking of the hypocritical nature of some of the previous comments regarding Eagles supporters booing, I guess when it suits it's ok. 

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High Horse

Wed, 2023-09-27 17:24

Mate, get off the high horse. EVERY supporter group boos and cheers, it's called the home ground advantage.

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 What high horse BJ? Just

Wed, 2023-09-27 17:47

 What high horse BJ? Just making a point. 

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 Big John is just feeling

Thu, 2023-09-28 05:31

 Big John is just feeling nervous about the wheels wobbling.

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 Thought so lol, was going to

Thu, 2023-09-28 07:57

 Thought so lol, was going to mention having a Snickers but thought better of it. 

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Cracker

Thu, 2023-09-28 08:22

Hopefully a cracker game, quietly confident the boys can get the job done.

At least you boys won't have to worry about GF anxiety for at least the next five years, despite Sea Kem stating previously that WC will be back in the finals within two years.

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 You got that anxiety comment

Thu, 2023-09-28 10:11

 You got that anxiety comment spot on,us wc supporters used most of ours up in the last quarter of 2018 ! Do you remember that ?

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I live in WA

Thu, 2023-09-28 10:50

and I'm a regular on this forum. What do you reckon?

I bet you wish you were anxious again this weekend Bodgy.

 

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