fishing etiquette
Submitted by harro on Wed, 2011-10-12 19:31
This is not a negative thread ,nor stirring thread, simply an etiquette discussion, on how some skippers charge or run there're boats and also for the deckies to learn and be prepared for going out on people's boats, giving handy hints and some insight of what they can help with etc, at the end of the day it's about good times and good fun fishing, I'm always happy to offer spots out its a great way to meet keen fishes like myself, and I have learned a hell of a lot from the deckies regarding fishing techniques, as I am pretty old school , lol
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fisho-ron
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dont be late! and dont catch
dont be late! and dont catch more than the skipper!! unles you bring him some jimmys!!!!!
are you reading this troy???????
harro
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lol
yup thers another rule,
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Lamby
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There have been a few decky
There have been a few decky threads & interestingly alot of people think along the same lines & many do not. What hasn't been covered is tech advancement more in the case of navionics, every bugger seems to have a smart phone these days (probably needs a smart bugger to keep them operating after killing my last 3 on the boat)
Good thread Harro I would like to see what people have to say, I will admit if anyone conceals a handheld GPS on them fishing with me no questions will be asked & said item will be bashed through your skull repeatedly. Phones though hmmm what do you say about that? I have had decky's tell me straight up they have navionics then put the phone up on the dash switched off, earned big browny points IMO
WADRay
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Honesty is the only policy.I
Honesty is the only policy.
I have had Navionics since it was released. Have been out with doak a couple times and clint more then I can count. I have not pinged a single spot. Have asked for a few and input them whilst on the move with clint when he calls em out for me, but that as we know is a totally different thing.
One big thing to note is that you can set navionics so that it doesnt track or mark locations, this way it is a secure way of ensuring that when clints GPS drops out (every 5 minutes) that we still have a reasonably accurate read of where we are :)
All comes down to Honesty though, I for one dont think people should take out people they cannot trust...
bsir
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bring a 6 pack
...and dont bitch if ya catch nothing (happens all too often to me of late).
deepwater
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fishing etiquette
HARRO have a look at this mate had the same problem afue years ago
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/deck-hand-problem
mate there so many different crew and skippers out there ,but we are all there for one reason to catch fishand have fun
hope this helps a little
jeff
harro
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yep jeffro
yeah didnt know there was another similar thread, i supposes its a good reminder for deckies or new deckies that just beacuse the skipper seems like a nice guy, it still doesn.t give anyone the right to ping or not pay etc etc, i personally enjoy taking pple out that have less opportunities to get out,, but i also am very happy with my mates and regular crew, i think this thread also good for skippers to set the rules and also good for the new deckies so they understand fully the importance of etiquette, , and once ur onboard then have fun , and hopefully catch fish, or whatever,,
cple of months now of hard work, fix up and mods to the boat, and some diving,
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greatrex
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sorry mate my boat runs on
sorry mate my boat runs on fuel not friendship
till
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No asking "are we there yet!"
No asking "are we there yet!" before we are there!
WADRay
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but thats comedy gold
but thats comedy gold
wazzbat
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You wouldn't have to worry
You wouldn't have to worry bout my old girl Nokia 6300. Think it's about 5 years old.
It's pretty obvious to me. It's NOT OK to ping anyone elses spots anytime. Like Lamby said about some of his deckies - If you do have a smart phone, let the Skipper know straight away.
Always offer fuel money. Always help out before, during and after the trip and if you aren't sure how to help, all you have to do is ask. Take enough bait, food and drinks to share. Don't be grumpy, you should be thankful that you got to go out fishing.
And last of all - if you catch more than the skipper, don't be modest about it. Rub it in big time and give him heaps of shit because you probably won't get taken out again anyway!
I fish for the future - Cause I can't bloody catch anything!
Tigh82
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Situation.....
Agree with all of the above and have my usual guys out on my boat who all stick to the rules.... I would like to get your opinion on this situation...... You head out and find new ground that produces and you have never been near that area, is it ok for your deckie to get the mark?
fisherking
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LOL,If it's your boat, then,
LOL,
If it's your boat, then, that's your decision.
How about this.
What if you take your deckies to your spots & they don't produce the goods. If the deckie then shares his coords to his spot are you allowed to keep that in your plotter????
Confused yet??
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till
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Probably really depends on
Probably really depends on whats arranged beforehand.
I have a few marks that skippers have given to me, we found them on split petrol money and they weren't just off lumps they had already.
Iphones etc aren't purely evil either!
I got my PB dhufish with Steve231, on his boat, on his marks, but only after it was entered into my phone. His GPS antenna pooped itself, so we could read the marks, but the device was useless. No iPhone that day and we all would had to go home and mow the lawn or something.
My phone got us out to the FADs one day on Simon C's boat after the guys that fitted the new motor, put the wrong plugs on the leads.
WADRay
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Again comes down to that
Again comes down to that Honesty word.
Navionics is a brilliant tool, you just have to be honest with those around you on how you are using it.
allrounder
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I am sure that steve is capable of reading his sounder
Till.I dont think he is a gps fisho.
Your lawn would have been safe for the day.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
till
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He is, just a lot of empty
He is, just a lot of empty miles out there on the bottom otherwise!
Lastchance
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If someone takes the time out
If someone takes the time out to take you in a comp, dont put the details of the trip on a forum and shit all over them - tends to make people extremely fucking pissed off......Fucken window licker.
Man Overboard
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I take it the fish weren't
I take it the fish weren't biting.
harro
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what comp
i,m lost with ur comment mate, was that directed at me?
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Comps are hard work at the
Comps are hard work at the best of times. Fishing line class just seems to bring everything up a level when there is so much that can go so badly wrong.
Its a sport for a slick team and thick skins for sure.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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Lamby
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Good question Tigh & many
Good question Tigh & many factors would come into it but in short for me it's who is onboard & your mateship with them, I have been happy to share marks found with mates onboard. Also had the experience of being asked for the co-ords & then the decky never paid his share of fuel after the trip, sour taste you betcha especially if they know the deal. Have people asked for co-ords under the split fuel arrangement but don't have their own boat? If so what do you do with these marks?
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Tigh82
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Spot on Lamby
That is sort of what I am trying to say Lamby, I know guys who have been with me that don't own a boat but ask for co ords....... So do they give them to the next guy they go out with to go and hit it up.....? At the end of the day it comes down to how close you are to the guys you take out. Always have someone out with me because that's what fishing is all about, time spent with good mates enjoying a cold one and hopefully catching a few fish.
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easy fish by yourself.....
easy fish by yourself..... saves all the problems.
(PS. I have no friends)
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Alan James
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Interesting discussion about 'sharing' coordinates
I am simply amazed that a decky would ask for any mark whether it was found whilst he was contributing to the cost of the fuel or not. In my book, that's bloody cheeky. If the skipper offers to share coordinates with deckies or anyone else for that matter, well that is his call.
As a decky on someone else's boat I would have no problem with the skipper making sure that any electronic devices capable of recording gps coordinates were either not on the boat or turned off.
Rig
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Good one
Good one squidvicious I am with you lol (in a separate boat of course)
When I deckie on someone's boat by iPhone is with me but never do I use it to track as it is bad karma and lack of respect for someone who is taking you out.
I have a mate I won't take on my boat anymore due to me having to nag him for fuel money, it was different when he had a boat I had to pay before we left his house then he put the left over fuel in his car after lol
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Well my deckie can have a
Well my deckie can have a copy of my card anytime. She [Jody] has fished with me for years and I know she would never give them to anyone .Jody know this and stillhas never asked for as mark from me.I gave some marks away a couple of years back and you can not get a fish there now .It all comes dow to trust .I have taken gps marks on other boats and told them they get wiped at the end of the day .They are happy with that .
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Lamby
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Detracting from the negatives
Detracting from the negatives I have had some awesome deckies from FW on board & would have them on anytime. Recently had Dave from Xtreme Coolers come down the other week & he was top notch, so if anyone was chasing a good metro decky I highly reccomend him.
Also taken the opportunity to decky for others on this forum whom have taught me way more in the way of skippering than other means ever will, cheers to them!
harro
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liam did u relabel
mate did you re label that nanny and cod, lol u may need to install an insulated safe to hide your fillets lol,
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Lamby
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Yeah mate has been
Yeah mate has been re-labelled Queen Snapper lol
quindieselbrad
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the day is not over till the
the day is not over till the boat is clean so allow extra time for clean up etc this would have to be the most annoying part wen ppl go home and leave u to do the dirty work .....
Catchn dhuies off the smell of an oily rag :)
Jamos Damokos
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just started taking a few ppl
just started taking a few ppl from here out, had no probs with it and until i just read through this i was of the mind to continue inviting people out as theres more chance of me winning lotto than going out on some1 elses boat from this site, kinda shyts me this thread as myself personally i would joke about stealing ppls location but never actually do it, nor would i ask for co-ords but if they were offered would appreciate it along with any other advice. think i'll go back to fishing alone, costs more in fuel, but hell i always end up cleaning the boat anyways due to certain circumstances.
maybel go back to taking my non fishing mates out, they have no interest in my secret crap fishing spots.
this to me is a very negative thread based on the fact some people obviously have alot of good fishing spots and are now so paranoid (more than likely with good reason) that there random new deckies are just there to take advantage of them.
on a lighter note a good deckie should keep the deck/boat clean between fishing spots, get rods/tackle in stowed away positions for travel, pull the anchor, offer and open beer as soon as the last ones empty, just easy general crap....
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As per the last bit: Some
As per the last bit: Some deckies are more than happy to do it, but seeing as they may not even know a boat, it may never cross into their mind in the first place. So some things need to be asked as the deckie may be willing but unaware :p. Of course if they start complaining about it, then you can revoke chances at an invite :p.
I've had a few situations (more so early on to boat fishing) when I found out later the skipper ended up being grumpy at me for not doing something despite not ever mentioning anything and being all fine and friendly at the end of the day, WTF. Would have been quite happy to do whatever if I realised/had been asked :p
Jamos Damokos
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its all a learnig curve, hard
its all a learnig curve, hard for ppl who dont get the op to boat fish often and come aboard with a skipper who has a comfortable set routine...
im not to stressed about having a competant deckie or even company fishing, in the end fishing alone is a good time to reflect on stuff, you dont have to worry about putting people onto fish ect, ive been fishing about 7/10 trips alone and even when people have come out i have covered all fuel/bait costs up until a couple of trips with another fw member recently, going to more than likely go back to it, as stated before this thread has hit a nerve, its like someone is just inciting a negative vibe about deckies and its unfortunate, would like to think this gps/navionics thing has actually happened to skippers here otherwise its a pointless shit stirring excersise.
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Lamby
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Well I brought it up so no I
Well I brought it up so no I am not shit stirring Jamos I have actually experienced this, it would be a lie to apologise for hitting a raw nerve with you if it has caused you some offence because I see this a legitimate issue hence why I brought it up. As I said in my previous post I have had some great FW decky's who I will continue to fish with. I will also continue to invite new decky's & hence the thread ie. what are do's & dont's for skippers... that all make sense?
harro
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personally
I havent had a bad experience at all, so i,m not shit stiring , we are all fishermen, some skippers, some LB and some deckies, its not aimed at any1, so dunno why its hit ur nerve??,
the thread has no need to go pair shaped at all, , its a forum and its good to get ideas, etc, like i said i have enjoyed learning and still do learn a lot from the new age deckies, as most of them now jig as well which is pretty exciting to see how it actually works, i,ve had a great yr and my last few trips i barely drop a line, putting the boys onto the fish (hopefully) actually makes my day , then everyone having a beer while cleaning , and each taking home a nice fresh feed or three, i personally think its good for new deckies to know some rules , then they dont have to worry etc , and have fun as thats what its meant to be,
and i,m looking forward to meeting more FW crew after the ban has lifted,
i would rather see the thread deleted before it turned to shit, so lets keep it positive eh!!
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Jamos Damokos
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you seem to have changed the
you seem to have changed the description of this thread, im not having a go but your initial comments were a backhanded attempt at trying to find a positive way of getting deckies to pull there weight while throwing in the dark side of dodgy characters poaching your fishing spots, sorry if this has caused a problem but maybe a thread titled deckies 101 or deckieing for dummys may have been more appropriate, if there is a problem with people using gps ect to poach other peoples spots then thats a legitimate issue and should be adressed in a thread titled dogs who steal your spots.... i dont see how trying to get someone to become a better deckie (a positive thing) and taking some douche bag out thats going to steal your spots (completely different and negative thing) can be covered in the same post is all, that is what hit the nerve, you have planted the seed that taking out new people has a risk factor not of just taking dead weight on your boat (which can be corrected by explaing how things work on the boat) but of also having your precious spots stolen.... slippery slope.
just my opinion which isnt worth to much, this is a public forum....
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fishy fingers
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carnarvonite
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Fuel
When we leave the ramp the fuel tank is full, when we park the boat up after its been cleaned it has a full tank ready for the next trip. That way there can be no bitching about what it cost at a later date, paid for then and there, over and dusted.
sarcasm0
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Economy of scale
Agree with the above, but Skippers should take the time to inform potential deckies of the rough estimate of fuel cost in advance.
In my dinghy if I tell someone its 50/50 no worries, cause its ~$20 each, but a day out on a larger boat may well cost several times more in fuel per person and new deckies may be unaware of the cost of a day out.
Just avoids any hassles at the ramp/pump after. This thread I have to admit upset me to, as someone who has been a deckie on a boat through FW and taken people out from FW in the dinghy it shits me that people have commited these acts and left a sour taste in the collective skippers mouths. All I can say is I have had an excellent experience with all my deckies and hope that I have been a good deckie on the boats I have been out on. Also that I am not judged by the actions of others as I am sure I will try to get out on forum members boats in the future.
Most of the things that are being raised are about communication. As Matt said when he was newish to boats he was apparently making mistakes he didnt know about. Deckies, if you arent sure, ask! Skippers if you arent sure they know just how you want it done, explain it in advance or better yet, demonstrate it once or practice it together in a no stress situation, like on the hardstand or in open water before expecting it done in challenging conditions with someone who doesnt know what they are doing.
Get in contact in advance, find out if you are to supply lunch, bait, burley, drinks, beer, ice, fuel, tackle or gear and how much of each. Find out if you are help with the launching, retrieving or if you are to start the engine for warm up while they park the car, if they need there drinks opened or whatever. If its all laid out from the start then its pretty hard for it to turn south.
alfred
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Check if your skipper has a
Check if your skipper has a "first fish must be released rule - regardless of what it is".
I know a skipper like that but will fish with him anytime. Lucky I have not had to release a PB Dhu or Snapper but have released some good size fish on trips out.
Alan James
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He wouldn't be a Kiwi
would he Alfred? Not uncommon over there.
alfred
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No - true blue Aussie!
No - true blue Aussie!
harro
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hah alfred
i released the first fish the other day, and then never got another dhuie after that, spewing,lol
luckily micky landed a nice pink & BB, been a tough cple of days with weather etc, very windy,
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alfred
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LOL! Such is life sometimes!
LOL! Such is life sometimes!
Man Overboard
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I go fishing with a skipper
I go fishing with a skipper who gets into releasing the first fish Alfred,
Got a decent Jooey the day, old mate tips it straight over the side as i was about neck it.
lucky we have a permenant store of baked beans in the cupboard, otherwise my kids would starve.
harro
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Lol
Hah Micky tell u what mate that pinky freshwas superb
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Man Overboard
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Having mine tommorow
Having mine tommorow cobbler,
I think we should do that more often, ( cryovac and fridge ) rather than freeze everything. Tastes so much better fresh..
ps, ask wind on Dave about the dhuies that Damo nailed yesterday.
allrounder
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I think Fishing Etiquette is buried in the same place
as common sense and their brother common decency.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
dodgy
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Dont have a problem with
Dont have a problem with phones. I usually have areas more than actual coords that I fish. Particularly chasing Reds where the fish tend to move around a bit. After saying that, most of my deckies dont have their own boats so not much worry there.
I dont mind sharing spots with guys that do the right thing and farm their areas. You get a good feel for how guys work after a while.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Paul_86
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My few regular deckies get it
My few regular deckies get it pretty good. In my eyes im inviting them out for a fish so im going out either way so i cover fuel bait etc, sometimes they offer money sometimes they dont, doesnt really bother me either way. I also tend to do all the deckie duties myself because i like things done a certain way and if i do it all then i cant get mad at anyone if something goes wrong! And im not a big fish eater so generaly the deckies get the catch too. Thats just the way things run on my boat. Oh and my deckies dont have boats so coordinates are no good to them either way.
smash
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I reckon its a bit different
I reckon its a bit different with crays-especially if you kindly take more than 1 other out.
Rule-no one takes home more than the skipper, and courtesy would be take the skippers tank and refill without asking for the $8. Ive never worried about the fuel on cray dives as its only $20 or so.
Michael Yoni
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The few times (4 times) I
The few times (4 times) I have been invited out on a boat, when its time to fill the boat, car etc, I pull out the card and pay the lot. No splitting bills. etc. Its basic courtesy.
If you invite someone to be your deckie then you foot the bill, if he asks to be your deckie then he foots the bill.
You are taking a stranger to your secret spot to fish - how secret is it? you've taken them right to it!. (coordinates or not)
Just my thoughts
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hlokk
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But without coordinates, and
But without coordinates, and without landmarks nearby, they've almost blindfolded you to get there anyways. You cant share it beyond the time you're fishing there (and cant give it out to anyone to then have it raped)
pale ale
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My mate and myself just take
My mate and myself just take it in turns to pay for the fuel. Doesnt matter if one day cost $50 more than the next. It is still a great day out.
I never used to take any fish home, so my mate got to keep them all. But now that I have paid for a rec fishing license, i feel I need to eat more fish to justify the license
hlokk
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If you're not keeping any
If you're not keeping any fish, you dont need a fishing licence. You can still contribute fish to his bag as long as he doesnt end up with more than his bag.
pale ale
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Yeah, I know all that. I
Yeah, I know all that. I just got a bit pissed off that I had to buy a license so now I seem to be killing a lot more fish than I used to. Sort of defeated the purpose of managing fisheries, cos now I kill a lot more
Andy Mac
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The old etiquette chestnut eh
Despite writing a tongue in cheek article on this several years ago for Fishing WA, and thinking I had it all out of my system, it still gets on my wick when people ping me out in the middle of the ocean. One notable a while back was the two guys that bee lined me as we had Kasey's 24kg+ Dhuie boatside and came within talking distance to say "Our GPS isn't working, is there any good ground around here?" .or words to that effect .... yeah... bullshit!!!! now who in their right mind with any descency would try and pull a swifty like that, especially as while he is talking his mate is marking our spot. The guy then followed us around for 30 minutes drifting directly behind us each time we moved. It was only after I faked a drift over sand and waited for him to deploy his sea anchor before blasting off over the horizon that I finally got away from him.
Having taken out dozens of forum guys over the years, there are only 3 real pieces of advise with first time forum deckies (as opposed to regulars or mates) when fishing with a new skipper in my book and they are to
PS: If you bring an iPhone on my boat with GPS and I know about it we wil lbe fishing the poor to average ground. If you turn it off then we might hit the good spots.
Cheers
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Pilbra Dave
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Well Said Andy Mac
Common Courtesy is the most important thing for me, Andy Mac's post covers everything I look for in a Deckie, Well writen Andy!
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dodgy
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Agree that deckies have to
Agree that deckies have to behave like deckies. If the skipper has to turn around and tell you that a lure isn't swimming properly and you need to clear the weed off it your not doing your job.
When a charter operator refuses to let you back on board because your a whining little bitch.... Well that speaks volumes too.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
harro
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lol
well andy hit the nail on the head,
dodgy thats funny man , never heard of that happening mate on a charter boat,
anyway,, lets all move on shall we,
, like i said before this thread was not aimed at anyone blah blah, just a discussion which obviously hits some nerves but also entices people to have a say,
i personally liked last chances comment straight from the heart lol, also coz i,m a window licker too, hahaha , so glad that wasnt directed at me.
peace everyone, out!!
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marrisy
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two way street
This needs to work both ways, there are 2 skippers I will not go out with again, I hear they have difficulty getting a deckie now, and one deckie who I will never have on my boat again. On the whole, I have had good deckies, and most skippers have been fairer than they needed to be. I recon true fishermen are a genuine honest lot, the fringe dwellers will get weeded out or learn to fit in.
hemi
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simple pay for the fuel
simple pay for the fuel 50/50, bait and clean the tub at the end...
ive heard some ppl say whatever is caught on the boat is the skippers but i would never take another mans fish if it were on my boat whatever they catch is theres and if they get nothing they wouldnt go home without a feed (if by anychance i caught something edible).