Getting into mining?
I've read a fair few old forums from hookt, paul g and a few of the other gang about trying to get into the mining game and wanted to try and find out how other 'inexperienced in mining' people found their way in. I was going to go into the maritime industry and have all my stcw and coxswains etc etc but the unpredictability of it all (lot of mates on contracts that get put on, put off etc etc). So I'm trying to find another avenue for steady higher end cash flow to prep up for the family life one of these days (considering I already live in the north west, I may as well try and make the most of the higher incomes available) I know a lot of it is 'who you know' etc, but Exmouth is only really starting to get exposed to that side of things and there aren't that many miners in town (well that I know of)
I've just finished my cert 4 in OHS and no one is very interested in anyone without 2 years mining experience (also that I'm not Perth based doesn't help) Also got plenty of other quals, experience etc but they are in a different field so finding myself a bit stuck...
I've just gone and got my HR L plates and going to do some lessons in a few weeks and also looking to do a 5 day course with RMS for Skid-steer loader, Front-end loader and Excavator (was contemplating dump truck but unsure) just to try and get in the game with some experience so I can then move into OHS/HSE down the track... Just wondering if there are any other avenues which might be a faster track to take, any advice appreciated..
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Adam
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dodgy
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So its a FIFO operators
So its a FIFO operators position you are looking for?
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Adam Gallash
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Yeh
Sorry, yeh FIFO or DIDO. Residential down the track...
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dodgy
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Usually its easier the other
Usually its easier the other way around. Anyone can get a start if they are there on the day ready to go. Its after a company has invested time and money into you and made you more valuable than the average unskilled labourer that the fifo comes to the table.
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Adam Gallash
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Yeh
I hear ya, but unfortunately K-town or Hedland just isn't an option at the moment as its just too exxy for us and I'd neck myself before moving back to Perth (in the near future anyway). So gotta try and make the most of whats available from here which is relatively slim pickings, but got to find a way in. Rio will probably have more interviews out of here soon, just got to get skilled up in what they want or find another way in before then.
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mitch
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ads are you in town this week
ads are you in town this week mate?????? .im heading over tomorrow ,,might be able to help ya out but am thinking to get a start,, dump trucks will be one of your only options .dosnt take long once you start networking with cew if the OHS stuff is where ya heading,, RIO love that shit
Bidder01
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Onslow and Panna
Onslow and Panna would be your best bet if you don't want to relocate. You won't get straight on with the main operator, so you need to start with a third party contracting company and work from there.
I'm not sure how far the Wheatstone job has come along but I'm pretty sure they have started the civil works by now. Also there is the Red Hill job just south of the Panna turnoff.
You'll also have to be content with a pretty crappy roster at the start. The good even time rosters don't come till you are a bit further up the pecking order.
Stick your name in with the employment agencies. Judging by some of the guys up here now, you would think the only pre-requisite to getting a job is a heartbeat.
Good luck.
dodgy
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I hear you too. Hedland has
I hear you too. Hedland has been priced out of what I can afford so Im on the fifo bandwagon next year as well.
Fortunately accomadation will be a little easier the year after with the Mrs moving into a Gov role.
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81macca
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Not sure OHS is relevent for
Not sure OHS is relevent for somebody lacking experience?
I actually fish.
Adam Gallash
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experience
Got 1 year experience as OHS rep (not mining related) and a OHS qual, but not really enough to get outside of a graduate position. Thinking that getting a ground floor job and doing the hard yards will lead into that eventually, but seeking input that may help me and any others out there looking.
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glastronomic
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diploma (only 3 more
diploma (only 3 more subjects) or degree in OH&S would be much more usefull to get into the Minning game!
Exmouth is more Off shore orientated with Learmonth a big heli port plus a fair few service barges for the rigs & FPSO's operating there.
Busted Arse
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I have been told Rio will
I have been told Rio will be doing FIFO out of exmouth to Paraburdoo sometime soon in the future.
strike_zone
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you need to know someone
been down the same track had no luck looking myself everyone wants experience but i then turned to an old family friend who put me onto someone and now fly out to hedland tomorrow to start 2 on 1 off roster but really just keep trying you will get there
grantarctic1
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Same as strike-zone
I worked underground for years Adam, I got every ticket and medical i needed before looking at positions, What got me in was someone i knew + i was ready to go within hours of the call.
My sister got into admin, by being ready and applied for over 80 job's before the call came ( can you get on the plane tomorrow ) After her first job she was set and now fly's all over the world.
Bottom line is be ready to go and it helps if ya know someone on the site.
Cheers Grant..
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Once you've sussed it out,
Once you've sussed it out, let me know
. Haven't really tried myself but if I could get on a 7 and 7 or 8 and 6 roster, I'd take it for sure! I have 2 young boys and wouldn't want to spend anymore than a week and a bit at a time away from the family. Problem is, I'm a sparky with no mining or industrial experience and most of the jobs listed are looking for 4 and 1 shifts? Stuff that! (No offence to others that are on that shift - Just not for me)
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4 and 1 shift
Ten years ago that would have been heaven. Oh how things have changed.
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Not a whole lot offering the
Not a whole lot offering the shorter swings. Guys Im with offer a 19 and 9 roster for sparkys. At least you get 2 weekends at home on rnr.
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Fathom
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Marine bioligist
Thats what I was employed for on the Ichthys deep hole when we hit the jackpot, (Inpex Browse basin) it was a who you know ,,,blah blah blah job back then, guess things have changed now?
One of the biggest gas/condensate finds in Australia......glad I was a carpenter being contracted for that role.
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adz
mate grab a squeegee and bucket, and hit the town, $$$$ to be made there i reckon!!
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Mining
Considering the 50,000 plus skilled workers are forcast to be needed in the Mining industry over the next decade or so then mines can't be fussy!.
The 2 year experience is a crock! If your keen then they wont say no.
You also dont need a HR licence, if the Mine Manager signs you off then you can operate a truck. Sure they tell you otherwise but it's a insurance job.....
The OH&S is a big plus, it's more econimically viable for a mine to spend a million of safety annually rather than kill someone and get sued and pay millions and then not get insured, so safety is a insurance ploy.... Any quals should get you in Adam
Yeh I've worked in mining and seen it all people! I walked in off the street and said I wonted a mining job and two days later is was flying north.
Be careful want you wish for / want, the money is good (construction pays better, but you have to work longer swings) but the FIFO lifestyle does have impacts.....more than most consider or recognise.
I work for the Gov and I take home a package just less than boneheads but I only work 7.5 a day. Can't complain with that so choose wisely.
I did enjoy my time on the mine and would recomend to have a go but plan and be wise......
good luck
hamo
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Adam I don't know you
Adam I don't know you personally so please just take it as a statistic, A silly number (in the order of 60% +) of relationships suffer complications or failure in the first 6 months of a FiFo role. I know guys who have been doing it for 10 years and longer, who have had no problems. I know a lot more that have had things fall apart around them while in the middle of nowhere - Something to consider.
Personal experience is that unless you are prepared to start at the bottom you'll need to know someone to get a gig.
just dhu it
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fist aid
Adam some of my mates started on the ground as a driller asistance and then changed over to a driver once they had their names around the site , one big difference was they had their first aid certificate before applying, you could try Gulf transport , which have a web site for applications and get your name on the board, be prepared to live in a white garden shed for wek on week off , otherwise good luck
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cheers
Cheers guys. Found the info I was looking for, you dont ask you dont get.
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Mark M
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Mining work
Hi Adam,
PM sent
Cheers
Mark
dodgy
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Something else to consider is
Something else to consider is that a lot of the wharf upgrades going in over the next few years will be needing lots of workboats. Your qualifications might be more relevent in some areas than you think.
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pale ale
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First aid cert was a good
First aid cert was a good call. Also, maybe join the local fireys. Simple fireman skills (BA etc) will go a long way if your job may require confined space etc.
Are you part Aboriginal??? The big companies are desperate to employ more indigenous. I know my Missus, highly educated and experienced missed out on 2 jobs, as they wanted Aboriginals to get their quota up. I also missed out on a job once for same reason.
Webby
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Geez Adam, wish I could help
Geez Adam, wish I could help ya mate. I know dampier is Pushing to make its rolls mostly residential and then using FIFO contractors. Have you thought about starting with a contractor for a while and then trying to get put on with rio once you prove yourself a bit. It's a bit of a gamble but i know a few people that have done it. Otherwise what about a trainee operators roll or apprenticeship. That's how I got a run. Sure the wages start lower at first but for an adult they are not too bad. Only problem there is they are generally residential rosters. You could move to ktown, I'm looking for a mid week barra fish deckie hehe!
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That's how I got in Webby.
That's how I got in Webby. Adult apprenticeship.
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adult app
Yeh, problem is the residential living for an adult apprenticeship (well up north anyway) There are a few around town here but yeh well.....
I've got a few leads from this thread anyway, will see where it all goes! ;) Thanks to all those who have assisted.
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Walker
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Mining jobs
Adam i have been unemployed for 5 weeks now. Im an electrician 10years exp, qualified chef 8 years and still struggling to get employment in mining. Lucky for me my wifes friend has got me in the back door at a big mine site. I have to say in that time i have applied for roughly 100 jobs with only 2 hits. The mines work an incredible slowwwww pace and its taken me 4 weeks to even get on site from interview. but on the flip side in the next 5 years there is gonna be a mining boom and wa cant possibly supply all the personel. I reckon your best bet is someone on this website. a few weeks back someone posted - what mine you work for - heaps of replies and even guys with hi ranking positions. the more u network the better the chances. surely someone can help u out. Once your in your in.
dodgy
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Yep. Downers is the only one
Yep. Downers is the only one I know of that offers FIFO Apprenticeships for First years. And there is a line...
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solly
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hey ads
Rio has just opened up fifo 8/6 roster for Para from exxy.Check out the website as its looking for expressions of interest.PM me if you cant find the details'
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Another track
you looked into working on offshore rig support vessels? They seem to have a pretty cruisy number (aside from when the weather turns shite).
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It's still proving very
It's still proving very difficult for me to move into my chosen career going forward which is OH&S and or Training and Assessing which I have Cert IV in both. They want that initial experience, but even so, there is some absolute useless OH&S people out there, and they have the experience and can move around easily, where I have 25 years in mining with skills and knowledge in mining and OH&S that money just cant buy, and I still cant get past first base. I apply for dozens of OH&S positions and nowhere am I punching above my weight, they're all positions I know I can do. So I too, would appreciate it if someone here can help me get started. It loolks like Diploma in OH&S might be my next option to strengthen my posibilities.
Cheers
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dodgy
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Sure is some clowns about in
Sure is some clowns about in oh&s. You know the saying. 'Those that can do-teach. Those that can't teach- just leaves oh&s.'
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PM Sent
Pm sent
LandyAndy
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Hey AdamSeeing you have
Hey Adam
Seeing you have boating tickets chase a tug drivers job.
A bloke I once worked with in down town Williams WA,grabbed the lure of the sea.Started off as a deckie on a cray boat,went on to steer cray boats,now FIFOs to Port Hedland steering tugs.
Plenty of demand for tuggie steereers Im told.
Rio Tinto just ordered 100 Komatsu dump trucks.Remote controled from Perth,I KID YOU NOT!!!!
Much nicer spending your day paid to be on the briny!!!!!
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Whos your mate driving the
Whos your mate driving the tug?, i work there fixing them
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Remote controlled??? WTF?
Remote controlled??? WTF? That doesn't sound too safe. Soon they'll be employing 10 year olds to take the controls? They could train them up using a Playstation game?
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RC is where its at hey. Some
RC is where its at hey. Some minesite were looking at my brother's little articulated loaders because theyw ant to run them RC now, for saftey reasons.
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It's actually 150 Autonomus
Komatsu 830E's
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We call him Penis
We call him Penis Berger!!!!
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Sure he is in hedland?, i
Sure he is in hedland?, i don't know anyone by that name
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Remote controlled from
Remote controlled from PERTH!!!! Trains too!!!!
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Hey Ads
Mitch said he caught up with you , everything he said is on the money to get in here .
Just one more cast , honest !!!
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yep
Doing all the training in a couple of weeks. Hopefully be over there in the new year or up at hedland unless an ohs position pops up before then. Cheers to the pirates!
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PilbaraBrad
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why would you want to work in
why would you want to work in the mining game, everyone knows Oil and Gas is the future
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Agree with Brad... I wouldn't
Agree with Brad... I wouldn't ever want to go back to mining now after being in Oil & Gas.
pale ale
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Yep, gas is clean!!
Yep, gas is clean!!
dodgy
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I must be missing something.
I must be missing something. Entry level oil and gas jobs seem very hard to come across.
Most seem to get their qualifications and experience through mining then make the transition. Isn't that how you did it?
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PilbaraBrad
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i was pulling the piss mate
i was pulling the piss mate
jay_burgess
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That's true, however Chevron
That's true, however Chevron and Woodside both offer traineeships (operators) and apprenticeships. I know people who've come from various backgrounds a lot of which aren't industry based. If you're switched on and keen you've got a pretty good chance. Pretty good money if you're mature age and equal time rosters. It's what I'd be pursuing if I was in Adams shoes.
PilbaraBrad
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couldnt agree morehave a
couldnt agree more
have a couple of mates that did it, started on about 80 with i think a 2 year traineeship. now they are on about 180 offshore
dodgy
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And did they have industry
And did they have industry experience to bring to the table already? Did they know somebody?
Just don't think it's realistic for someone to be labouring in Perth (a generalization) one minute then having ANY chance of achieving a look in at a trainee operators position in Oil and Gas.
The couple of trainee operators I know already had trades, lived in the Pilbara and came from an indiginous background. And in still took them along time to get in.
Maybe it is possible for an inexperienced person to get in, I just havnt seen it.
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jay_burgess
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I have, my apprentice that
I have, my apprentice that works for me now is 35 and used to work for Bankwest. Now he's working 2&2 as an apprentice inlec for Chevron. Traineeship operators might be harder, as they prefer people with a trade background... but it wouldn't be impossible.
dodgy
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From working at bankwest
From working at bankwest straight to an apprenticeship with chevron?
Damn, that's impressive. I apolagise for making it sound harder than it really is.
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Lastchance
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Yeah Dodgy, what were you
Yeah Dodgy, what were you thinking? Of course its easy. Champ should know too, he's been out of his time for at least 6 months.
Adam, if I was trying to get into the mining industry, Id go with the good advice and go for machine operations/labouring/safety to get in the door then try to move around, not wait for the holy grail to be delivered to my door like some of these muppets are suggesting - Ops traineeships??? Woodside is offering 20-30 positions next year (of which applications are closed), all FIFO positions and people are selected from a national applicant pool - I dont personally know the numbers of applicants that have expressed interest, but the 6 residential (Karratha) traineeships that have been offered over the last 8 years or so, each had 600-800 applicants for 10-14 positions at a time.
Mature age apprenticeships are great if you can get them, and Id personally be heading down that line once you get in the door......Sparky's are the superior trade, however they are sometimes confused with the 24 volt Plumbers/cross dressers (Inlecs), you will know them when you see them - they will be the clean ones with the biggest boats and fastest cars.
Good luck.
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PilbaraBrad
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I work for a gas company mate
I work for a gas company mate and as annoying as it may seem most companies want the most for there money. our sparky's generally have to be duel traded I&E, have HV, EEHA and whatever else. I wouldn’t agree that sparky's are the most valuable either, try find someone with bulk mechanical experienced on rotating equipment and cryogenics, if you do ill take em!
As far as calling everyone Muppets, if that’s your way of asserting your dominance on the subject then so be it. there are a lot of people on here that have commented who have been in the game a long time.
the stories of people walking in off the street with no training or qualifications and pulling 150K are generally bullshit, sure it may happen from time to time but not at the places I have worked. And i certainly would never have put anyone on in a position like that without having proved themselves somehow.
9/10 it is who you know, and we are all kidding ourselves if we don’t think that happens. If someone comes to me and refers someone they know for a position I am hiring for I tell you what, if the person is a credible referee then that goes a long way towards getting a foot in the door.
what I hate seeing is people being filled with false hopes of massive dollars. yes the wages are good, getting in can be hard. Best bet is to decide what you want to do, and take steps towards getting in on that angle by showing that you have made headway on achieving your goals.
Mining i would definately agree is easier to get into if your interested in an operators role, however that being said if a supporting role is what you are after eg HSSE, business improvement, C&P etc then i dont see it being any more difficult. There are a hell of a lot more mines out there than oil and gas facilities, that is probably the real reason that people find it more difficult to crack.
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I think you missed my point,
I think you missed my point, Champ.
False hope and unrealistic perception of how the various industries work is what a few of the above posts illude to.
The sparky and muppet comments were throw aways that were not intended to offend or 'assert my dominance' on the issue - I fail to see how this would be achieved.
I dont work with anyone who has walked in off the street and pulled 150k, where I am its more like 220k. If you fit what the organisation is looking for at the time of intake, your in - this is the reason it may take a long time to crack into - more often than not, previous experience is not always necessary - its people skills, problem solving abilities, working as a team, ability to adapt to change etc. that gets the attention of prospective employers. (Playing for the right footy club probably goes a little way as well!)
In regard to the Inlecs, try restarting a process train without them.
I also have a feeling that there will be plenty of mechy's with Rotating Cryogenic experience over hear that will be looking for a move on or around the 1st of August 2012 (Retention plan share payout date)
"I work for a gas company mate and as annoying as it may seem most companies want the most for there money"? I fail to see how my initial comment has anything to do with this comment?
I also work for an Oil and Gas company, one with operational assets, but didnt think I would need to put it up in lights, but hey, whatever asserts your dominance on the subject I guess.
Anyway, thats it from me.
Whatever happened to Picture_Perfect_Pilbara?
PilbaraBrad
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i love the pilbara mate,
i love the pilbara mate, probably the best place i have ever lived
operational assets??? you dont seem to know too much about the company i work for by the sounds of it.
but at the moment it is like having an argument with my wife
dont know what it is about, im not going to win, and it all just seems like a waste of time
so why bother
cheers
"champ" apparently
Lastchance
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Have you been licking cane
Have you been licking cane toads? How off track can you get? I dont recall saying you disliked the Pilbara or worked on a plant that is non operational??? Gorgon and Pluto are currently non-operational, I work for one of the other ones - that is all.
"Champ" is actually an affectionate referral to a friend that can be used in general conversation - I havent been to queensland for a while, so I apologise if I offended you.
Must be the Full Moon....
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PilbaraBrad
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who said anything about them
who said anything about them walking off the street with no quals?
of course they had some qualification, and had to pass pretty stringent entry exams, and be interviewed countless times. but there is good reward for those that put themselves through something. Adam already has a couple of degrees and some other qualifications.
Dale
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I've almost scored my 1st
I've almost scored my 1st OH&S position now, had my interview etc yesterday and that all went very well, they said not many people can match me for my passion for oh&s. Just got a medical to do on Thursday, I'm carrying a cracked rib at present, so hopefully that's sorted by then.
Cheers
Dale
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uncleben
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Out of interest, how much do
Out of interest, how much do mature age apprentices earn in their first year?
dodgy
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Depends on what you have to
Depends on what you have to offer, what company, what trade etc.
Hedland the going rate is around 150 a year for residential.
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Yewiefish85
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i must be in the wrong
i must be in the wrong trade!, as a mature age apprentice i earnt just over $30000 in my first year
PilbaraBrad
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150 a year for an apprentice,
150 a year for an apprentice, sheesh in my time i only got about 20
Goatch
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Comparison 3rd Year Mech Apps
19 years old with Pilbara Iron around $83K .
Just one more cast , honest !!!
Brucesta
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A mature age apprentice will
A mature age apprentice will start or 3rd year wages and the top up for being over 21( was about 25-30k for me in 2005). well that was the case 6 years ago. All depends if the apprentices/trainees are inhouse or through a 3rd party, Rio apprentices are now earing shitloads more than Woodside apprentices. Operator trainees i think is around 80-90k first year then 100k second year.
I'ts certianlly never easy to get into mining and it's much harder to crack the oil and gas, sure more opportunities are presenting but go back 5 years and vacancies in oil and gas just didn't exist. it's certianlly much easier to get Oil and Gas coming from a mining background, some companies wont look at you without 5 years post trade experience in the industrial and resource companies.
The future is bright fellas, yes it should get much easier to crack into both mining and oil and gas with so many projects coming on line, just keep going at it and keep your ear to the ground on who is hiring and how to get in the door (employment agencies etc)
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Date Joined: 21/12/08
Getting into the mines is simple.
My partner has been working in the office based industry for about 20 years. She is very computer literate, and has the knowledge of what people are looking for. I have a mate who for the last 5 years or so has been trying to get into Rio Tinto, he is single, has no commitments he even went out and spend about 5000 dollars on courses. Still no luck. My partner prepared his resume for him based on what mining companies look for. Within two weeks of getting his new resume out there, he has three job offers, one from Macmahons, and two from Theiss. He took the Theiss job, has been working there one two weeks and now has been offered a job by Rio Tinto the people who he has wanted to get with for the past 3 years, he emailed them every day, but nothing until he got my partner to re do his resume. It is simple, but it works, sometimes simple is best. He is on approximately 120,000k a year, he takes home anywhere from 6-10k a month. If anyone wants my partners help, she does charge as she does this for a job, just let me know on here.
TonyT
Posts: 501
Date Joined: 09/07/10
Out of interest what skills
Out of interest what skills and experience did your mate have? and what role does he have now?
might hit you up 1 day to get your wife to do my resume, thinking about it but not seriously not just yet anyway, possibly soon.
Cheers
bigdavet86
Posts: 48
Date Joined: 04/08/11
I work as a
I work as a surveyor/supervisor on major resorces project and civil infrastructure construction on a 4&1 roster, but 3 months ago i bought a caravan, and i am living in that with my missus and working an 11 day fortnight. Better than some blokes in Perth!! It may be out in Morawa but at least its not FIFO. I have my own company and contract to annother that in turn contracts to the larger civil constrcutions companies. They love the fact that I am never away from site for more than 2 days in a row. I dont miss anything, alot can change in a week. It has been the best thing i have ever done. I would recomend it to anyone. Hopefully around June i will be dragging the van up to Onslow to do Wheatstone. And the first day off I will be doing a midnight connonball run back to perth to Get the boat and drag that up there too, then every RDO will be out on the water :)
I would advise against OHS, cant imagine how you would sleep at night knowing that you are despised by almost everyone else on site. I run a team of 2 surveyors, and 2 survey assistants. This gives the survey dept. a total of 5 people. There are 6 safety clowns!!!! Its almost at the point where we are building a railline simply to give the OHS clowns a job!?!? PLease for the love of god dont swell their ranks any further!!
Cheers
Dave
Marky
Posts: 420
Date Joined: 01/05/09
Gotta agree with you there
Gotta agree with you there BigDavet.... Offshore we have the safety culture drilled into us morning, lunch and dinner and ontop of that Woodside send out "safety coaches" and who knows what they really do besides walking around the rig observing, making it hard for safe day to day op's to operate and eat all the food... Forever trying to justify their job by making safe operations even safey somehow and confusing the hell outta people.... They look at Systems that work, then try and change it somehow to put their little spin on things to write in their daily operations email to show what they have acheived...
smash
Posts: 434
Date Joined: 01/12/10
yep-SAFETY ABOVE ALL
as long as it doesnt affect production...
Busted Arse
Posts: 253
Date Joined: 02/07/10
Come on guys. Fair go on the
Come on guys. Fair go on the OH&S people. Everyone has a role within a organisation. Dont knock a person who's actually making an honest living. Especially if you dont know exactly what they do.
ps I am not a OHS person nor do I have any friends amongst that proffession as they usually come across a bit wierd.
KEN_DOG
Posts: 80
Date Joined: 21/04/11
"HONEST LIVING"
"HONEST LIVING"
snoz
Posts: 16
Date Joined: 10/10/11
I have learned with the big
I have learned with the big miners it is not what you know but who you know.
Trying to find vacation engineering work was alot harder than i would have thought. Its not trade work but i cant see there being much difference in the application process (especially applying for apprenticeships). Applied everywhere and was getting rejection after rejection. My grades are pretty good and my employment history wasnt shabby for a young bloke so i was a bit confused as to why i couldnt even land an interview. After the 10th rejection i thought i might as well start calling in favours from family and friends. Got one to drop my resume on the desk of the HR persons desk and talk me up a bit and BANG, got an interview and eventually got the gig.
If i have leant anything persistance is the key and try and get a hookup with someone on the inside of the company working in the an office around the HR department. Make sure your cover letters and resume are top notch. There are guides on Seek that i find helpful.
yibbita yibbita
Dale
Posts: 7930
Date Joined: 13/09/05
Have now scored my first OH&S
Have now scored my first OH&S position, start inductions next week and out to site shortly after.
Cheers
Dale
"Just because you are a Character, Doesn't mean you have Character."
Mr Wolf
saltatrix
Posts: 1081
Date Joined: 30/03/08
Received a call today for an
Received a call today for an opportunity 50% more pay 10 hours less a week in the resource sector based in Perth. Just when you hope to go daddy day care you get sucked back in. Its too big an opportunity to refuse.
Angling tourism is worth $10 billion to the Australian economy - 90000 jobs; more than any sport; spread the word
TonyT
Posts: 501
Date Joined: 09/07/10
If you dont want it mate,
If you dont want it mate, send it my way , cheers
Ryan C
Posts: 1575
Date Joined: 08/07/10
not all roses
in the last year 4 of my younger crane drivers and riggers have been "lured" away with the promise of the big dollars at various FIFO jobs around the north west, all of them good workers and skilled in their trade, and all have found it to be not all its cracked up to be , in fact 3 of them have asked for their jobs back!! , unfortunately for them the positions are easily filled here in Perth. so my advice is particularly for young guys with young families dont be "dazzled" by stories of "huge" money and great jobs because sometimes that's not the case. cheers
dodgy
Posts: 4582
Date Joined: 01/02/10
Advanced riggers are making
Advanced riggers are making more than crane drivers at the moment. One of the big players is in danger of losing a major contract due to lack of personnel. Guys are all on 3+ a week.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?