HDS sounder shots
Submitted by Lucky Tim on Tue, 2010-11-09 19:16
For those interested, here's a few shots of the HDS10 with transom mount 200/50kHz 600W transducer out in the deeper stuff.
Sambos:
Out in the 300's. Still not sure if I like the way the bottom lock displays and the lack of fixed manual shift but it seems to get a good reading in 300m. Just tossing up whether to go 1kW.
Just1morecast
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Very clear Tim, what were
Very clear Tim, what were the fish? I'd like to upgrade my sounder but not sure its worth it until I get a bigger boat.
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STEVE231
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I'm impressed Tim, they are
I'm impressed Tim, they are the deepest shots I've seen from a standard ducer. Do you think it's necessary for a 1KW??
carnarvonite
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Look out Gold band
Look out gold band when Tim hits Exmouth again.
Good picture for that depth Tim.
Faulkner Family
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looks like you have that one
looks like you have that one sussed. but why the black background
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Lucky Tim
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Russ the black background
Russ the black background highlights the colours/sounding that get lost with the blue or white background. Not that I'm generally looking for it but those finer light blue/white flares/soundings can mean stopping and getting fish or keeping on steaming and not seeing anything. I the look actually.
Steve I did sound out in 300m at about 6 knots and it still read the bottom ok, but the gain needed to be wound up close to max. I'm not sure if the 1kW is necessary but it'd be good to see one in action to compare. It'd have to give a better reading but if it's worth it...no idea.
I also don't know what the fish were, no point bringing any up.
Lamby
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ahhhh cheers for the colour
ahhhh cheers for the colour palette tip there, makes mucho sense
mightymouse
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If you head out deep alot go
If you head out deep alot go for the 1kw
If you only get out there 2/3 times a year then dont worry
Lucky Tim
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are you running a 1kW? If
are you running a 1kW? If so, how do you find it in the shallower stuff (ie under 80m)?
Rick
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Nice shots mate
One thing that did stand out was the water temp, pretty warm for this time of the year, could be a good season......
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Seaquest
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Nice readings Tim. The
Nice readings Tim. The deeper one looks like a school of reds to me, slightly off the bottom on very little structure. 1kw will improve readings both in the deeper water and water under 80m. Has for my Koden anyway. Still not sold on the lowrances bottom lock it is completely different to mine.
Lucky Tim
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yeah mate, I'm the same with
yeah mate, I'm the same with the bottom lock. It looks completely different to what the other better brands do, I'm not sure what the reason can be.
I presume by "reds" for mean nannygai/bight redfish?
Seaquest
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Yeah mate, nannys or red
Yeah mate, nannys or red snapper. Your normal reading is very similar to how mine shows up schools of nannys, excellent for a 600w transducer. I think lowrance bottom lock is more of a locked zoom than a true bottom discrimination reading.
fisho-ron
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tim i am with you guys on
tim
i am with you guys on the bottom lock, dont like it and dont use it,
i have used the black b/g and found (for me)the blue makes for easier reading.
have you found if you drop back to auto sens, it drops hugely, i am around the same settings as yours pitchured, but on auto it drops to 15%.
why is this so?
also i use the it as sounder only most times and have it on zoomx2.
on the gps side...how you finding the uprate speed?
Lucky Tim
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I got the same thing when I
I got the same thing when I went to auto sensitivity, I needed to dial in a high level where the auto was down around 15%. I assumed it must use it differently, either way, I use manual.
As for the uprate speed, not really sure what you mean. Do you mean zoom/panning speed, or position plotting, or aquiring satellites?
grayzeee
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strange that your bottom
strange that your bottom lock seems more like a zoom on furuno.
the b/l on furuno gives the bottom trace as absolutely flat no matter what swell or depth change.
good sounding though at those depths for 600w
i have the 1kw on furuno , and when on 50hz , i need to be going really slow <6 knots and wind down gain or it's all clutter.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Adam Gallash
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can't wait
Can't wait mate, those rubies aren't going to know what hit them. Also might be able to try live baiting for bills on the baitballs. Should be awesome!!
Oh and that water temp looks dismal, up over the 27's up here at the moment and the sails have moved into the gulf in a big way.
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till
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Haha FU adam, we thought 21
Haha FU adam, we thought 21 was good ;)
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At least we know we are
At least we know we are going for a dive down here with the water temp at 21 and not jumping into a hot bath
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Saulty2
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Tim first pic.
@110m. what setting were you using deep water , general purpose , or shallow . im new to the hds10
Faulkner Family
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have a look at the pics as
have a look at the pics as you can see all the info is on the bottom of the pic
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Saulty2
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wish that was the case
thers more to it than that , thers 8 diff.fish mode options +surface clarity ,ping, noise rejection , scroll ,
Lucky Tim
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I just set it to "deep
I just set it to "deep water" but changed enough of the setting myself that I really don't think original "deep water" means much. I had some help from Steve231 with setting like ping speed 11, surface clarity high, noise rejection medium, scroll speed normal.
Andy Mac
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Hey Tim
Do you use that programme to view your days sounder images at home? If not give it a go, its pretty good. All you need to do is record your soundings onto an sd card and then plug into your computer and view the whole day's images. Its amazing how many spots you can pic up for a later "look see". Lets you play with the settings too to see which ones will work best.
I've done a few spots which help understand where the fish might be holding.
I wish I had held off on getting my unit for 6 months as I got the last of teh old LCX 37s with a separate broadband unit. Would have been nicer to get the HDS10 all in one.
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Lucky Tim
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nah Andy, I haven't even
nah Andy, I haven't even looked into that yet, still trying to sort the sounder out. I'll have a chat to you about that program next week.
yellow and black
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great post mate
got 2 7s networked & looking at having a go in 200m+ know now i should be ok & will try your black background ,just have to wait untill no ban
ps franterie i email lowrance & they told me that shallow water is up untill 100m
mejutty
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nice pics
Hopefully mine looks just as good, what I want to know is with the plotter side of things what do you gys find works better heading up or north up??
Andy Mac
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North up v heading up
I use two GPS units, one is purely a gps and is set on heading up, which helps me navigate to spot drifts a lot easier than going round and round in circles with the north up feature. Then I use a North up on the plotter/sounder combo to get wider position reference and navigating back through reefy country.
Each to their own but I have been on guys boats that fish with North up and we take half an hour to get the drift right, whereas with heading up I find its far easier to get back to the drift line a lot quicker = more fishing time and less boat driving time.
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hlokk
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Curiously, I find it the
Curiously, I find it the other way for me. Heading up more useful when travelling to further away spots and north up when zoomed in really close and trying to nail a spot. I usually have a good idea of which way north is an which way the boat is, so if i put the cursor where i want, it makes a bit more sense to me going say 20m south and a little east, etc. For the drifts, I have just been using the old drift line and 'parelleling' them in my head and picking a spot to start.
All depends on personal preference I guess.
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Head up confuses the crap out of me
So I am definitely north up. I just wonder of its relating to my Orienteering and Rogaining days.
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carnarvonite
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Trick
What I do before the first drift is stop about a 100 metres away and do the bait up thing and have a look at the direction of the drift so you have an idea where to set up right from the start and if you miss the spot by 10 metres then on the next one you move your start point over to suit.
Always used north up, heads up is a right pain in the armpit [being polite]
grayzeee
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I only use north up, but you
I only use north up, but you need to use compass as well , and thinking of a clock face helps too.
heading up fully confuses me as if the current is fighting the wind and you have a wierd drift direction , it all goes to 5hit.
at least if i'm drifting and i can see it's a n/e drift , i just head for 1.30 (thinking of clock) past mark and turn 180 deg , heading for 7.30 until your on pos.
confused???
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
mejutty
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yep
yep
Alan James
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Great sounder pics there Tim
It is interesting that there seems to be various opinions as to what background colour is best. I changed to white from blue after I think it was a comment on here from Ryan of Oceanside fame. Black looks good tho .... ???
Lucky Tim
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North up all the way for me
North up all the way for me but this may be because I've been using it on plotters and radars for years.
When going back to restart drifts etc I usually know what bearing I need to take and do all of my "fine tune" manouvers using my boats compass rather than the GPS screen. The compass is instant and real time where the plotter usually is a little behind, especially at showing your heading at very slow speeds and when there is no land around for reference.
grayzeee
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indeed. it also helps to be
indeed.
it also helps to be moving at at least 5 knots to stop being pushed around by the wind.
and if you're zoomed in too close on plotter , you'll have more trouble hitting mark
as for background colour , white all the way .
black or blue if night fishing (tho some returns are blue)
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
STEVE231
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I'm with you Graham, I
I'm with you Graham, I prefer a white background, but each to their own.
North up for me as well.
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Nice clear shot there Tim.
Nice clear shot there Tim. Good to see the HDS well tuned & I bet you're enjoying time on the water.
Can't wait for the next window of opportunity in the weather!
JohnF
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Used SeaSwirls HDS10 a bit
Used SeaSwirls HDS10 a bit last week. Nice unit, and read very well in 110m of water even on 200hz. Still not sure about the swanky menu system, it feels a little bit gimicky, but apart from that, very nice.
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pale ale
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My units have a lot of
My units have a lot of fingerprints on the screen. How do I remove the prints? It seems the oils in fingers permanently stain the screen.
fisho-ron
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tim i meant positionig. it
tim
i meant positionig.
it updates faster than my navman, so it was all good for me, it was just something steve231 had mentioned before.
same here as well mate, mine is on manual all the time now.
cheers ron
Lucky Tim
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I also found out about the
I also found out about the lower % when in auto sensitivity. The sounder automatically sets its sensitivity then the low % you see is the level that you can fine tune. It is a different reading to the % you see when in manual mode. Next time you're out and running in auto, press the soft key under the sensitivity and you can make finer adjustments for the best picture.
Lucky Tim
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yeah mine seems to update
yeah mine seems to update quickly, I'm yet to be left waiting for it to do its thing.
fisho-ron
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yer tim i have used the soft
yer tim
i have used the soft key in auto..it only goes to 40% from memory,
but i dont use auto anymore, always in manaul.
a couple of times mine has displayed that were only in 1mtr of water and then seem to reset itself, happend out at te barges twice in one day?
i am also using the through hull tranny(p79) as i had issuse with the standard one.
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JohnF
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Ron, that was all the ambers
Ron, that was all the ambers right under your boat!!!!!
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mejutty
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I ended up having :) to buy
I ended up having
to buy a 10m due to the 8m not being there to install so dissapointed
anyways I have the 10m and a 7 going into my boat and just to confuse the absolute crap outta myself I'm going to see if I can split screen the 10m with 2 charts one heading up one north up that should do it.
Lucky Tim
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you should be able to do
you should be able to do that split, I'll have a crack this arvo on mine and see if it works.
Lucky Tim
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yep, can be done. Looks a
yep, can be done. Looks a little weird though.