Help on getting a deep water rod set up
Submitted by DhuBoi on Sun, 2009-08-09 17:47
Hey my fam is generally old school with fishing , few rods but mainly hand lines , was wondering if any one would be able to help me get a reasonable rod and reel set up for tackling water depth of 20 to 60 metres and able to handle some of the big fish we target such as dhufish and snapper , any tips would be great , what price would i be looking at from estimating a minimum to a max ?
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Auslobster
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$200.
That's pretty close to the minimum price for a decent bottom bouncing outfit. It doesn't sound as if you've had much experience with overhead reels before so something like a Penn GTI series which has a levelwind would probably suit. Included in that price, or close to it, would be a standard fibreglass boat rod...most if not all shops do combos in this price range.
HOWEVER...cheap rods mean cheap guides, and for this sort of fishing it's pretty much a given that you need braided line (well you don't NEED it but your miles in front of mono users with it) and braid cuts through cheap plastic guide inserts like a knife through butter, and the resulting groove will then cut your line...usually when you're loaded up on a fish.
Best thing is to go to a true tackle shop (as opposed to Ranger or BCF) and tell them what you're planning. You may or may not pay a bit more initially, but you can't put a price on the advice they can give you (as opposed to some snot-nosed kid on $9 an hour) and the after sales service offered as well. Incidentally, site sponsors here are Oceanside Tackle in O'Connor and Tackle Shack in Malaga, so everyone here would prefer you try them out first!
callum
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penns
deffs go with a penn 330gti/gt series,
for rods you can buy a penn mariner 330 gt combo for around the $200 mark i think.
If not i suggest buying a backbone elite and replacing the roller tip with a normal oring type, this should cost you aabout $150
but as lobster said, pop into a specialist tackle store and they will sort you out
happy fishing
waterman
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Alvey Snapper winch
I spent my time as a kid fishing off the back of Rotto using a 7" alvey snapper winch & glass rod. I also had a 114H Penn Senator. It worked for me for years. Don't know what they are worth now though.
DhuBoi
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Would you go for a spool or
Would you go for a spool or and over head reel , We got a PeNN overhead reel in the shed which is a few years old , but no one ever used it after the tangles some of the fam received LOL , it is loaded with 50 pound line , Ill check the reel model and that tomorow , Iv never really tried heaps fishing with one of them reels aye
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DhuBoi
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and cheers much appreciated
and cheers much appreciated fellas
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mako magic
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personal preference for me
personal preference for me is an overhead, but at the depths you mentioned you could get away with a good quality spinner, as mentioned the penn 330gti combos are well worth looking at for a cheapoutfit that will serve you well
gregk
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bottom bouncing
if your go to do 60mts probably need some thing thats got a decent handle very uncomfortable winding up from 60ies with the 330 better off spending a bit more and get a soild set up, aren't you selling one mat
mako magic
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yeah got the sld30 2 speed,
yeah got the sld30 2 speed, wasnt going to push it in his face.
check the for sale section if your interested, will be perfect for what you want and more
shammy
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Working ATM
I've got the boat coming out of the shop in the next week or so, sooner the better.... and Will probably get some new gear for the boys.
Dropped in a few weeks back, well sort of lured in by the nice boat you had parked out the front..... Now that's a nice rig......
Mine's an old tub but hopefully will have warp factor written all over it for getting out and back if the new motor does it's thing (fingers crossed)
Heard the other day the Penns are the way to go..... Like to talk to you about some combos.
cheers
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kaneo
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few good eggbeaters around
few good eggbeaters around
Faulkner Family
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for beginners to the
for beginners to the overhead scene the penn 330gti are worth the money, we got 2 sets when we first got a boat and they are still going now 5yrs on , DhuBoy , the tangles you are talking about are probably from freespooling the line down,try lightly thumbing the line on its way down and that will slow the speed of descent down so when the sinker hits bottom the spool wont keep spinning which causes most of the tangles with overheads, they do take a bit of getting used to but when you have them sussed they are great reels for deep fishing, not saying the eggbeaters are'nt but worth a try
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Oceanside Tackle
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Yeh as mentioned by everyone
Yeh as mentioned by everyone above, there are plenty to choose from. Easy way is to set a budget and work from there. Also go check out whats available within your budget. Dont forget the braid as well.
Up to 60m you can get away with a spinning outfit if overheads are not your thing. So take your time and check out whats on offer in the shops.
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DhuBoi
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No worries thanks heaps for
No worries thanks heaps for the Info , What about a decent Rod ?
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Rod Pallister owns it - he is a decent Rod.
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shammy
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bottom rig setup -your thoughts
Guys I have a couple of questions on setting up a decent bottom rig for snapper and dhu fish.
I have a length of minimum say 80 to 100lb line as "the trace" at the bottom I have a loop tied in the line this is for the sinker (snapper) so I can then feed the loop through the eye of the sinker, over the end of the sinker and back = quick sinker changes,
Above that i have (at the moment) an alpine hitch (ok it's a climbing type knot but not sure of a fishing knot that will do the same job....) anyway the length of this loop is say 30cm,
about 40 to 60cm above that I have another alpine hitch with 30 cm of line in a loop again for quick hook attachment or removal and so it does not tangle the bottom one.
About 40 cm above this is the swivel to the line from the reel.
Hook I use are those circle type ones, Not a real gear freak so not sure of the name..... sorry.
How does this sound for snapper and dhu fish?
shane
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hlokk
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The hooks are called circle
The hooks are called circle hooks, so you've got the name right.
I wouldnt hold much confidence in the alpine knot. Most climbing knots are designed to be non-binding, which is a very good thing in climbing, but not for fishing. Though, it probably wont slip, I'd be worried about it being a weak knot. Most climbing knots have sharp turns over the rope which is not good for fishing line. Though, it might not break in practice. E.g. if its a 20% knot, then it'll still take 20lb to break (in 100lb line). Up to you to decide if the knot is strong enough for what you want, but I always prefer 75%+. Theres other knots out there you can try that will do the same thing but a bit stronger. I just use crane swivels though.
If you tie an overhead knot (i.e. 'granny knot') just above the dropper, or tie on some lighter line, you can get it to snap if it gets snagged and get most of your rig back.
The other thing i've seen people do is tie a smaller loop and then loop to loop knot on your trace and hook. Make sure you use the same line for both though, and that its reasonably thick (80-100lb is fine though). Not sure how strong it is though.
shammy
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bottom rig
Thanks the loop to loop sounds like the way to go, and the lighter line to the hook = lost hook not entire rig.
good point ref breaking strain - I'll check the breaking strain of the knot on some lighter line and using a set of scales.... should work..
Other than the crane swivels these are the three way swivels (?) yes? what knot could I look up for this?
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hlokk
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Scales are a good idea. You
Scales are a good idea. You might need some strong scales though. For heavy line I've just used a heavy duty plastic bucket and loaded it up with bricks til it snapped, then put it on the bathroom scales.
I meant on the sinker only. Generally most people will run heavier leader than the main line, so if hooks get stuck you might loose the rig. With circles its unlikely to be a problem I wouldnt think though? There are ways to get your hook to break when snagged but still use heavier line for abrasion, but I dont bother. If you run the same strength line between swivels as your main braid (making sure you have a good braid-mono knot) then you can sometimes get some of your rig back. Easier to keep the rig of the bottom though, hehe. (The sinker one is no hassle though).
The swivels I use are two crane swivels joined together. See here. I just use uni knots to connect everything up.
This is just my preferences though, there are lots of other ways to do it. I'm not particularily much of a bottom bouncer though, so other guys with a lot more experience would be able to advise other tips and techniques. Just do what works for you.