KNOT HAPPY
Submitted by Superfish on Sun, 2017-12-31 10:13
Went out yesterday to my favourite fishing spot near Rotto. Hooked what a believe to be a big Dhuie in about 30 foot of water. It pulled real hard, so did i to avoid being reefed and busted off. After about 10 seconds i lost the fish due to the UNI KNOT coming lose . This has happened to me on a number of occations before, my mate who did get Dhuie arround 650 reckons i should change to the HANGMANS KNOT as he had the same problem with the UNI KNOT in Exmouth a while back. Just wondering what you guys think is the best knot for terminal takle? I am also considering just using a drop loop that doesnt require swivels.
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rob90
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Fg all the way, when done
Fg all the way, when done rite it is strong as breaking strain.
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Meeuwissen
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Uni knot
Should be slipping maybe don't cut the tag so close to the knot and make sure you go around 3-4 times. Sometimes I even get a match head and touch the tag
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Coastrunner
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Uni knot on 80lb flurocarbon
Palomar for braid to swivel, 80lb fluro leader with a uni knot, six loops and a bit of slag when pulling it tight, paternoster with dropper loops for hooks, about 20cms long and loop for the sinker. One of the reasons I like using an overhead with lever is the drag can be set to suit the line breaking strain so you get a fairly consistent load on your line and knots.
Richard Snellin
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FG all day everyday
FG all day everyday
ranmar850
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How can you use an FG knot on terminal tackle?
He's not talking about joining braid to leader, way I read it. Uni-knot tied properly, to hook or swivel, up to 80 lb mono shouldn't give any problems. Above 80lb,maybe, and esp above 120, you need to crimp.
PBS
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Swivels are so strong now
Swivels are so strong now that the wire is quite thin, I have had the wire cut through the leader when using a uni so now I use a double loop clinch knot to make the loop a bit less vunerable by padding it with extra line
http://www.tackletactics.co.nz/double-loop-clinch.html
ranmar850
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This
^^^^^
420casts
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Longer tag end I reckon. I
Longer tag end I reckon. I use what I've known as a double overhand noose or Figure of 8 knot and it's pretty similar. Increasing the number of turns and length of tag end should solve this for you. Also maybe try doubling the line through the eye prior to tying the knot, may give the knot more to bind onto, this is more of a braid trick for knots like Uni, Clinch etc to stop slippage.
Ultimately if you learn how to tie the Uni knot perfect every time you should be fine with it, but look into the Palomar knot it's easy and super strong - I would use this for heavier than 80lbs.
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z00m
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where
where did the knot come loose? hook end or swivel end? I use the uni knot at least 4 turns and find it very reliable. Battled a couple of big stingrays among the Kingfish yesterday using uni knots and no failures. Had a failure on a perfection loop knot I had on my floater when battling a stubborn king on the light rod.
Superfish
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Thanks crew some excellent
Thanks crew some excellent points there for me to consider and be aware of . I think have i have been cutting the tag end to close. Drag may be a factor as i was using spin reel, might change to have overhead? I only use 60lb leeder but it holding the fish it is just my knots.
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Alan James
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More info
If you provide us with a bit more info I'm sure we can assist further. Firstly what uni knot connection are you referring to e.g. braid to swivel, mono to hook, etc?
Faulkner Family
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the uni knot i use . usual
the uni knot i use . usual run through the eye then do a loop then feed the tag end through the loop and main line usually 5 or 6 times then pull it tight after lubricating the line . cutting tag at about 1cm long to allow for a bit of slippage with a big fish, never had one pull out yet that is.
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Willlo
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I use 150 pnd leeder with a
I use 150 pnd leeder with a uni knot , u can only really wrap it 4 time's and leave a small tag. I use tri crane swivels to ptevent tangles also don't make yr leeders to long usually long enough that they r just short of yr second swivel. Obviously the lighter yr leeder the more twists you can go.
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Superfish
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Sorry for the cofusion.
Sorry for the cofusion. Where the knot slipped was on the top three way shogun swivell paternoster rig. I had about 400 ml leading to a normal swivell where i tie the 50 lb braid. hope this helps.
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Dale
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Always at least double the amount of turns with braid.
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ranmar850
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What Dale said^^^
I learnt a few interesting things a while ago in a morning of experimentation. Prior to the Billfish Bonanza, we had a day of screaming southeast--in Exmouth, really
?--so we sat in the canal rental house and tied leaders, etc. needing to tie 30lb braid to 10kg mono pre-test, we found that you needed to at least do at least half as many turns again on the FG to get strength, ie 30 turns instead of 20. Or even 40. The 20 turns only works if the mono is a lot thicker than the braid, which is what your normal use is. We were using a spring balance to check. But first, I had to replace the one year old Shimano Depth Hunter braid--it was utterly stuffed, breaking as low as 3kg. Very disappointed , won't be using that again. We also needed to re-attach the dacron backing to a 23kg topshot a few days later--we found that an FG knot, thirty turns, gave a very good result instead of the usual whipping technique.
Alan James
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When the knot failed was there a curly tail (like a pig's tail) at the end of the mono? If so this is confirmation that the knot did in fact slip rather than break. If the knot is slipping you are not pulling it up tight enough. Make sure you wet the mono when tightening and also pull the tag end up tight. Perhaps don't cut the tag end so short as well.
backlash
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HA !
Don't remind me Alan, I remember clearly that Charter where my knots failed :(
Painful - but great way to learn to get them right
Alan James
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Yep that curly end in the mono is a sure tell tale sign of a poorly tied knot. A lost fish provides a good incentive to improving your knot tying skills. As a kid my old man taught me the clinch knot and that and the improved clinch knot became the go to knots for me for many years. Mostly use the uni knot these days though. It has been a while, we should catch up sometime.
Jackfrost80
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I had 3 'pig tails' before I
I had 3 'pig tails' before I ditched the clinch knot with 10lb+ leader and now use the uni knot. Nothing worse than losing a good fish and no one to blame but yaself
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Alan James
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I can't recall ever having a clinch knot fail but I have retied a few. I think the more you tie a knot the better you get at it. Sometimes a knot just doesn't pull up snug and uniform like it should. Then what is important is that you recognise you have tied the knot poorly and elect to retie it.
Jackfrost80
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I've never had an issue with
I've never had an issue with tying it with my bream gear so definitely user error and I reckon it's because I use too many turns (5-6) and it doesn't pull down tight enough.
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blu2fish
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Knot happy
I've tried all sorts of knots but now use the Centuari Knot for terminal tackle, from small whiting to Ruby Snapper, Greyband Cod and all fish in between including those Tax Men of all dimensions up at Ningaloo, easy to tie and when your half blind like me not a problem (no pun intended)
anypuddle
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Gday, hate loosing those big
Gday, hate loosing those big dhuies!,
I am often surprised at how close to the hook/swivel people cut there tags when using a uni knot, its a great reliable knot if tied properly, I do 4 to 8 turns depending on line thickness then pull down tight and then tie a granny knot over the mainline with the tag end, this stops it from slipping an if it does then you have a long piece of tag for the knot to use.
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MROCKS
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I feel for ya mate
bad luck on loosing the good fish mate.
I had a brand new mustad big gun hook straighten on a good dhu yesterday. Hook was brand new. Drag wasn’t locked up either. Lucky for me I was able to get 1 about 800 the next drift.
But I feel your pain
cruzy111
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If you are using a soft
If you are using a soft leader material then the swivel can cut through the line, especially if only a short leader is used and if your drag isnt real smooth. I cant help with a knot I just dont use soft leaders. Tie your normal rig , hook it onto something solid stick a glove on and wrap the main line around your hand and test the whole rig . Give it a good workout to what you think it should take you will be surprised how easily some leaders cut through. I do this every time I tie a new rig on or a new leader to braid. It sets the knots and finds any weaknesses.
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For Terminal tackle I only
For Terminal tackle I only ever use the Centauri knot. Quick and easy to tie, won't slip, neat and you can tie up to 400lb mono with it easily. I've even used this knot to tie Kevlar rope to my winch hook and pulled a 2.5 tonne boat onto the trailer. I left it on there for at least another dozen retrieves with NIL slippage.
Hutch
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I use uni knot for anything
I use uni knot for anything from 3lb to 200lb, braid and mono and never had an issue. 3 turns for 80lb mono and over, 5-6 turns for thinner mono.
Braid to mono connections I use FG knot, 40 wraps or 50 wraps for heavy gear
backlash
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also check your drag
..make sure you're not overstressing the knot with huge drag
When Alan James and I used to bottom fish on Millsy's Charters back in the late 90's we used to run about 8kg of drag at strike setting (from memory) on the Penn 16S reels we used to use, running 80lb berkley whiplash with 80-100lb Jinkai Leader
you can always go to sunset for those big buggers; it also removes the chances of straightening out your hooks.
JohnF
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Uni if done correctly can't
Uni if done correctly can't slip, it's designed to get tighter ( slip knot).
If it slipped or or pulled you did it wrong
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Hutch
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This ^^
This ^^
Superfish
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Thanks again guys for all
Thanks again guys for all your ideas and help. I really like the idea of tying another knot with the tag end and i must take more care when tying the knots. I was speaking to a mate of mine last night and he told me that DOUG CLEGG recommended a little bit of SUPER GLUE will stop the knot pulling if if you put a little bit on the tag end glued to the main line so that may be worth a try.
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Never Fail Knot.
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That's interesting
I can't say I have ever seen that knot before, and you say it has never let you down which is a good recommendation.
sea-kem
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Thumb knot for heavier
Thumb knot for heavier leader rig to swivel. Never had one fail.
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Superfish
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Going to tie some rigs today
Going to tie some rigs today and try some of the ideas . Thanks to Scubafish for the Neverfail i will tie a few today and se how i go.
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Jackalchub
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FG, all day
FG, all day
Ol Tom
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Some good knots here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdTqokaH6EU
Ol Tom
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Some good knots here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdTqokaH6EU
Pete F
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If you were using big three
If you were using big three way swivels with the 60lb mono can cause the uni to slip. The line diameter should be similar to the swivel diameter. you can get away with bigger line but smaller diameter line is asking for trouble. Where the knot pulls up tight on itself a large swivel will hold the line apart so it does not pull up tight.
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Bradmac73
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Cats paw and Palomar
Agree with the Palomar for hooks, I use a cats paw (on the below link as an offshore swivel knot) for braid to swivel, works for me
www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/terminal-connections