Ive found the sunline green stuff pretty good. I use it in 20lb. and not to expensive. I only wish daiwa boat braid was made in pe2

Braid tangles are something that you may just have to live with, I don't think any of the major brands or types will prevent the issue.

I tend to run Powerpro or Fins on larger surf reels which are just for land based fishing, for spin or OH that will be LB or boating reels i tend to use Daiwa accudepth Hyper 8. I haven't noticed any great difference in the tangle-'abilit' of any over the others. What I do find is that the casting style and rod action has a much greater influence. To this end - I tend never to get any issues using surf rods, a few with smaller rods when really whipping a light lure. If you can soften the action of your cast to avoid the rod tip rapidly oscillating i would think it might reduce the risk/frequency of tangles..................All that said I havent used FWA braid and it might simply be poop.

Powerpro and fins are pretty much the same, i love daiwa and its still relatively cheap - nice narrow diameter and the colouration can help even for beach fishing

 Duel Hardcore x8 pe 1 20lbs $40 or so from plat in japan have the .6 on a bream combo and it's awesome 

 Dawia Td sensor on all my casting reels never have any problems with it

do you close the bail manually as soon as the bait/lure hits the water? you need to keep as much tension on the line as possible.

 I do close manually, but also make point of fingering line onto bail roller, in order to stop that loop of looses line over drag knob,

td sensor gets a lot of good reviews, mayb look into it, keep suggestions coming gents much appreciated 

 Sunline super pe.casts nice and 40 bux for jap made braid can't go wrong imo.If its looping of your spool sounds like its not been put on tight enough or over filled.

 It was spooled at Oceanside, and it's consistently been a hassle, thought like you guys over spooled but as it lost more and more line per shit tangles an it hasn't improved, 

hey brg is that for 300m and what poundage you run? And does it all for on you reel? 

hmm I was gonna say trim it back a bit. I had that same problem for a while after getting my reel spooled with fresh line. the spool was too full and i kept trimming it back, but the problem didnt dissapear until id trimmed the braid back till there was a gap of about 1-2millimeters to the lip of the sppol! it sounds like a bit, but for light shore based work i still had more than enough!

after that it was all sweet, if you havnt trimmed it back that far yet maybe give it a go before respooling again, might work out for you and save you a hassle, otherwise, hope you figure it out and get back amongst it soon man!!

good luck!!

Try respooling first off, that way you don't have to waste a spool of line. I have done a few reels manually recently and as long as there is good consistent pressure, the lay has been good.

You will pay a lot more for 8 strand but it is typically lower diameter which will aid casting and enable greater capacities on spools (if thats important?). There are good deals on most of the big brands if you shop around so shouldnt cost you a fortune to replace the FWA if you choose to.

 mate few years back i had a 1400 spheros i run 30lb fireline off the beach never had any dramas. I was spinnin with 20lb chrystal fireline at first when we went for a spin but ended up dropin back to lighter 14.5 pound tournament fireline the orange stuff to cast lighter lures i found it good but it does tend to get fluffy after a while but cheap to buy. i can help you unspool and respool even got bout 250 yards of 20lb chrysta fire line if you wanna try it  

 Yeah capacity is a big thing, I prefer to have at least 280-300metres of line up my sleeve for upcoming trips to exmouth and also since reports landbased mack n tuna, would like some capacity up my sleeve just in case, thanks for the troubleshoot gents, 

think ill get the FWA off and burn it and piss on the ashes and get myself some sunline super pe if it comes in 12 or 15

 i dont know if they do smaller poundage but i was incredibly impressed with berkley whiplash in 40lb when i went to steep point super thin at 0.12mm for 40lb and never had one wind tangle worth looking into otherwise fins have a braid called windtamer havnt tried it but sounds good

 i use either fireline exceed up to 20lb, or finns or ygk above that. loops on the spool causing knots is due to operator error, simple but true and most people dont or dont want to accept.that. its easy to blame a reel rather than refine your technique

 Mate never blamed reel and I cast the same technique on two other set ups with cheaper braid and old reels and never had a problem, if you read above I mentioned that I make a point of running my finger after the bail atm is flipped to ensure line is on the roller, you mayb right maybe it me n not the line but Ive never had a problem until I spooled that braid,

appreciate the suggestion of fire line , been told to be wary of fins but it does pop up a bit in suggestionns

 Have had the same problem with finns, petty sure it has more to do with not laying the line tight enough back on the reel when retrieving the lure which is pretty much unavoidable. Stiffer lines like fireline exceed (thinner than standard fireline) stop the problem, I find anything over 15lb is to stiff and limits casting. Try coated lines like spider wire code red, the Teflon coating makes it a bit harder without limiting casting. Got a new tailor combo coming next week, going to try gosen jigging braid on it, feels silky smooth and tightly woven, let you know how it goes.

 The reason fireline gets fluffy is because of two reasons, it's not actually braided, its fused together. The second is that the fibres are thinner, spectra (Finns) fibers are 100 times thicker( we're talkin decimals of a mm) so even if you get a bit of fluff it isn't going to effect the breaking strain of the line.  Pretty sure every one has seen the Finns pic of its braid compared to other dyneema braids and how it doesn't frey, that's why. Doesn't make a difference when it comes down to catching fish.

 PowerPro 15lb or 14.5lb Tournament Fireline. TD Sensor can be a real PITA when it's windy or when there's a bit of weed about so is best left for the boaties. Sunline PE is a good allrounder. Finns Original is garbage, way thicker than any other braid for a given breaking strain & that's why they claim such good abrasion resistance. 4lb Finns Original has a breaking strain of 18.49lb conducted over 3 tests under proper test conditions (on platypus line breaking machine) & is thicker than 15lb PowerPro. 

For what it's worth, last year I went through a phase of constant "wind knots" and break offs. It was super frustrating, so I spent quite a bit of time reading and trying different things. These are the things I think make the biggest difference:

1. Flip the bail closed manually.
2. Slow the line manually just before the lure hits the water. The idea here is to have less slack in the line when you start winding in. It won't kill you cast distance if you do it correctly, because there will be slack hanging in the air and your cast is about to stop. If done correctly, you can raise the rod to take up the remaining slack before you start winding. Slack in the line when winding in is how you get loops on the spool. This is probably the least common suggestion (I think I found it only in one place), but probably makes the biggest difference. Remember to pay attention to the line tension.
3. It is better to have an underfilled spool than it is to have an overfilled spool. You probably see the nice pictures of fancy reels filled to the brim with line. Don't do that. Seriously. Unless maybe you're going to use your reel exclusively for vertical jigging. I had a couple of spools filled at a shop that WAY overfilled them, and it was terrible (shop was not at Oceanside, they have been great.) Leave 3mm to the lip. Don't be afraid. You will catch more big fish with fewer tangles and more casts than you will with an additional 30m of line that you eventually lose in a series of frustrating knots.
4. If you're using a wind on leader, make sure the knot is not catching as it comes off the spool and travels through the guides.
5. Stiffer lines suffer fewer tangles. I fished with 20lb Fireline Crystal and paid no attention to #1 and #2 and limited attention to #3. It is the most hassle free braided line I've used. (It's also far under rated for breaking strength.)
6. Working poppers without getting slack line problems takes practice.

Try stripping off a bunch of line so your spool is less full, then go fishing and pay close attention to your line tension. You don't have anything to lose, since you're willing to throw away all of your line at this point. You might be surprised. Failing that, get some 14 or 20lb Fireline Crystal.

 cheers lrp1

Really excellent advice by irp1 above, these are all things I have found too. In addition to manually closing the bail arm, I always make sure that the line is in the line roller (by pulling it over manually if it is not) before doing any cranking. It's basically done as a single movement while closing the bail arm using the same hand.

As far as braid is concerned,YGK OH Dragon WX8 (available in 15 lb) will give you less tangles and cast further than any other braid; but it will put a hole in your wallet.

 As said above in earlier post i do do the manual flip and in same movement insure the line is on roller, thankyou all posters I've come away with some good advice and suggestions, 

So to be sure here, the fluffing does or doesn't effect the braid in fire line?

 The fluffing is normal in fused braids such as fireline & has no ill effects at all. 

 I wouldn't bother with fireline or fins(cray rope) spend the money and get something round n soft and watch your lure disappear into the horizon.jmo.cheers

 Hey brg, u use sunline pe? Or castaway? Or monument 4x4? 

Does anyone have comparisons on these three? 

 Im using sunline pe atm. Nice line for price and it is a bit stiffer for casting, its not the strongest braid for its diameter but holds up nicely, pe2 is only 20lb. It is also a dyed line and not coated like fins or powerpro so you dont get it fluffing or coming off and going everywhere. Ive also used the castaway before. This is a very nice line. Stronger than the pe for the same diameter and also a stiffer line. The pe2.5 i was using was rated to 40lb. It is also igfa classed so you know it breaks at 40lb (officially tested at 38lb). Only problem with the castaway is i can only find 200m spools in the lighter classes. I havent used monument.

 Yea it's a real shame about the 200m spool, thanks guys given me somd to think on, just to be straight here, I'm not in any way bagging Oceanside or FWA extreme braid but it's just not the braid for me and the way I fish, 

Braid tangles happen for a number of reasons

[li] Oscillation design of the fishing reel

[li] The spool is over spooled. Braid can sit down lower off the lip and achieve great casts unlike mono/nylon where if the mono line is getting low on the spool, impacts casting distance much greater.

[li] You have cast into the wind and the lure has slowed to put 'loose' wraps of line on your spool.

If Im bait fishing around reef I use fireline (20lb)

If Im casting stickbaits I use dyneema 8 strand braids with 900mm of 50lb of fluorocarbon tied to a swivel outside the tip.

make sure you use a swivel at all times, I was casting daiwa hyper pe on my sol2 3000 for a year without a knot, got lazy and baitcast a mulie without a swivel for a session and it was wind knot city after that...

a) its not a tailor, or

b) if it is, it is huge and you arer not stopping it with 300, 400, 500, or 600M :P

Capacity is not the be all and end all. Backing is cheap remember.

I am however looking for some braid myself so a timely thread you have started here. Watching with interest.

Cheers,

D80

 paulus just fishing, i use the white line lable in solid and hollow several strand numbers as in 8 or 12 the higher strand number the smoother it will be, 1000m PE6 cost me 150$ 

have a look for the line class your after

 Never had problems with fireline!

The reason I use 20lb fireline baitfishing around reef is so I can stop a stingray before it wraps me through a reef then hacking off $80 worth of line. If your casting a stick bait 100 metres out your going to need 200metres of line because once you bust once your 125 metres of braid will be in the backing before you hit the water. I like 8 strand braid for casting lures because it is fine in diameter casting like a bullet.

Beach - Fireline - no air knots etc when casting using an 850 Penn

Boat - Cant beat Whiplash from my experiences 

Steve  

Yo Super Peg,

I've been using Fishing WA " Extreme braid " for 2 years now and thats a lot of fishing. I've never had an issue both landbase or boatbase ........ I've got the Extreme braid on Daiwa and Shimano reels etc and no issues re casting tangles or wind knots etc!

I will say however over the years of using different reels that I've had " issues with braid tangles " ...... (before Extreme was ever on the market)

It didnt matter what braid I changed to, the reel was the issue!!! 

What saltatrix said ie;

Braid tangles happen for a number of reasons

[li] Oscillation design of the fishing reel

[li] The spool is over spooled. Braid can sit down lower off the lip and achieve great casts unlike mono/nylon where if the mono line is getting low on the spool, impacts casting distance much greater.

[li] You have cast into the wind and the lure has slowed to put 'loose' wraps of line on your spool.

I FULLY AGREE 

 Have never used extreme braid, have seen it and it looks similar to most 4-5 strand braids, have used a few of these on a couple of reels andI find wind knots are inevitable. Fused braids like fireline or coated braids like spiderwire code red, being stiffer stops wind knots. Tryed out the gosen jigging braid today, just like all 8 strand braids, no wind knots, bit more $ though. The amusing bit was knowing how far you can cast, counted the line coming back in, would have guessed an 80m cast, to my disappointment, 45m! Was shocked how far off I was. Ended up with a couple of big skippy, tarwine and half a dozen herring down at Moses rock, good day.

Harry/Fishing WA owns the brand not me!!!!

I say how it is ....... Harry knows plus my staff " if I dont like something I dont put it on TV" .....  thats the way it is!!

I dont use fused braids at all anymore ....... as for Gosen 8X it's great braid, we ordered a massive shipment of it a while ago (before it hit WA) and its great stuff & sells (we also use it ourselves)

Never had a problem with FWA braid casting in 10 lbs in with a south westerly. I have a spool of 6lb sunline that occasionally likes to stuff me around.

I used to get quite a few knots if the tag of my braid to mono knot hit the guides also.

Try TASline.  I'm really happy with the quality and performance. Give the guys a call, I spoke to them for half an hour last time I enquired about braid, they were really happy to help.

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/4Tasline.htm

I had 10lb diawa shinobi on my casting outfit for over a year and never had a wind knot. Its not as soft as some pe so a great comprimise for casting, especially into a 15knot + southwesterly. I like to use a small snap swivel for casting for talior and salmon just to reduce any line twist. Never lost a fish because of it.

Thankyou to all helpful posters, I'll continue to investigate my problem, cheers for suggestions on the braid brands fellas,